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Could somebody please add tsex he Devanagari versions of all the words in italics? While I know the script, I do not know how to encode it into HTML. The actual words written in Devanagari would be very helpful to those who want to pronounce the words precisely. Gokul

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Changed Rag (Hindi) to Rag (Sanskrit). This is in support of NPOV. Reasoning: Rag and its Devnagari script is first found in Sanskrit, the language of the Vedas, in which the concept originated. To cite it as Hindi implies that it was birthed in the Hindi language, whereas it is actually Sanskrit that later was absorbed into Hindi.

I was the one that mentioned Hindi as the language. It's not Raag in Sanskrit but Raagah. Why not use the Sanskrit term then? Because the Hindi word is the word that's used in Hindustani music today. IMHO, it's more important that we use prevalent terminology - in fact, the article doesn't make any claims about etymological origins. I've reverted the article. Ambarish 11:19, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Mode of reference 2 Time of origin of ragas 3 hindusthani thala 4 merging from Ragam 5 Spiritual Connections? 6 Sarang - incorrect link 7 Whole tone scale Raga?

[edit] Mode of reference

This article says that the "basic mode of reference" in Indian music corresponds to the Ionian mode in Western music. As far as I can tell, this is not the case. If whoever wrote this intended to say that the "basic mode of reference" is Śańkaräbharaņam, let me point out that the corresponding scale in Western music is known as the Æolian mode, or more simply, the major scale. At any rate, if there is any such thing as a "mode of reference" in Indian music, it is more likely to be Mäyãmäļavagauļai, which has no Western equivalent.--Siva 18:46, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Whoops. I'm wrong. The Ionian mode is Śańkaräbharaņam. But I still doubt whether this is the mode of reference, and not Mäyãmäļavagauļai.--Siva 19:01, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Time of origin of ragas

When did ragas originate? I wonder how this contrasts with related modes of Persia and Arab world. Dogru144 04:23, 2 August 2006 (UTC) 04:22, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Ragas originates in Vedic times, to the best of my knowledge. I doubt these were connected with the modes of Persian/Arabic music, at least at first. I do know for a fact, though, that the Hindustani and Carnatic systems were borrowing ragas from each other by the 20th century. --Siva 17:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Would you please show the reference from Vedas (the 3 (known as thrayi) or 4 (known as chatur)Vedas)? As far as I know Raaga is not found in Vedas and it is either in Bharata's Natya Shastra (100 BCE to 200 CE) or Matanga's Brhddesi (~500 CE). I can get back with details and reference. Prior to Raaga or at least contemporarily a very similar concept was in vogue among Tamils called Pann (பண்). At least 500-600 years prior to the work of Natya Shastra, the word Pann was used in Tamil. --Aadal 23:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Apprently Bharata considered Jaati superior to Grama Raga (Jaati for Gandharvas but Grama Raga for men). However, until around 9th century CE, the idea of Raga was not much developed.--Aadal 00:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hindusthani thala

[edit] merging from Ragam

Merged text from Ragam, now redirecting here. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 22:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spiritual Connections?

It would be greatly appreciated if anyone could expand on the spiritual significance of the raga.

[edit] Sarang - incorrect link

Could somebody do something about the link of the raga Sarang that takes one to Sarang - the helicopter formation display team of the Indian Air Force.

[edit] Whole tone scale Raga?

An anonymous editor (4.236.18.11 on 04:25, 20 March 2005) of whole tone scale wrote "Most interesting, the raga Sahera in Hindustani music uses the same intervals as the whole-tone scale. Ustad Mehdi Hassan has performed this raga."
(The anonymous editor also included an external link [1], which gets 404'd.
There's a Wikipedia article for the Ustad, and articles about (SGGS) ragas Asa thru to Todi, but nothing about a Sahera raga. I've Googled looking for more information, but couldn't find anything I understood or found useful. Is there a Sahera raga? And, if so, is it in what approximates to the Western whole tone scale? --Shirt58 12:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)