Talk:Quincy University
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[edit] Hazing at QU
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I want to add something. I was a student at the very same time that the original poster was tthere. And I did see the exact same thing. The poster had the decency to delete this but I will tell you as a victim that I was hazed. And Pleae let me add, I do have a year book to prove my statement. Anyone who doubts what I say can get a copy of the 1981 yearbook and have a look for themself. And finally..... this is not "Libelous" because "libel" is telling lies. I am not lying.
I also would add that, though this incident happened in 1980 I never received an appology from the college. 69.219.147.53
- If this is going into the main article, it needs to be encyclopaedic. This means: it should be NPOV, and it should be verified in some external source. It should at least be verifiable in principle, which your allegations don't seem to be (what years is this supposed to have taken place?). Note that Wikipedia is not a place for first-person accounts or original research. That doesn't mean you can't expose your hated nemeses here, but it does mean you have to do a bit of work first. /blahedo (t) 06:17, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Well it did happen whether you wish to believe it or not. Maybe the thing to do is to post a link to other sources. (This unsigned comment posted 16:43, 7 February 2006 by 69.219.155.138)
- I found an article by Joshua A. Sussberg in the Cardozo Law Review (I accessed it from a subscription-based service, so I can't link to it) that seems to mention hazing at Quincy. I haven't read it, but the citation is 24 Cardozo L. Rev. 1421 (March 2003). Ardric47 01:02, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
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- There seem to be two different things being described here. The original poster, and the link recently added to "External links", deal with general hazing of all freshmen, more than twenty-five years ago (and, as far as I know, not performed in any general fashion for the last ten to fifteen). That part still needs some sort of cite, preferably a bit better than an internet message board.
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- The sports hazing thing has some pretty solid credentials, though. If that's what the Cardozo article is about, I don't need to see the article, but you should put the cite for it in the References section when you add it (along with that espn link, of course). /blahedo (t) 20:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
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- As a 2003 graduate of QU, I can say with personal authority that the present-tense freshman hazing clause that the poster wants to add is certainly unjustified, and perhaps libelous. However, as we are constantly reminded, personal authority is fairly meaningless in this forum; the burden of proof lies with the poster, in the form of solid documentation. For this reason even changing the freshman hazing clause to past tense isn't warranted, and neither is the link to the blog-like entry on "DiscussAnything.com." That isn't "information" on hazing as wikipedia comes to understand it. It's merely a biased, unverifiable personal account. The Sussburg article doesn't actually analyze QU (non-soccer) freshman hazing at all. As far as I can see the only mention of Quincy University is one quote from a QU soccer player, and a somewhat lengthy endnote discussing the soccer hazing scandal of 2001. The endnote links an ESPN article on the same subject (see note 1, linked above). That incident, by the way, may worth mentioning on the main page, because of its verifiability. 12.215.187.163 22:05, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
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- I have to agree that neither source mentions anything except sports-related incidents. Ardric47 02:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
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Seeing that the original post was inflamatory I deleted it out of respect for the integrity of Wikipedia's standards of fairness and honesty. I would state that the incident described previously did occur but it occured in 1980. I did check and found that Quincy University does currently have a "no-hazing" policy. None-the-less I did link the sports related hazing story because I fealt it was relavent and came from a reliable source.
[edit] Discussanything.com as a source
Just a quick mention,
I have seen that Discussanything has been used as a source of information on Wikipedia before.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Rodzaevsky
Whether this is a valid soruce or not, I am not sure but I just wanted to point this out.
Thanks
