Talk:Qing gong
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- Comment: Being the author of the Qing Gong article, I am eager to see the two articles merged, as the Qinggong article is equally well written. Dessydes 15:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
- Merged. --mh 07:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Documentary evidence of lightness skill. Dessydes 18:15, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] This is absurd!
Forward moving is made by horizontal forces but gravity is a vertical force! No matter how fast you go, you will NOT lose weight and you CAN NOT convert a vertical force into a horizontal force! Your feet movement can NOT make you lighter, no matter how fast you move! An example would be if I were to fire a bullete horizontally and at the same time I drop a cow, a car, a tank, and you at the same heigh of the bullete that was fired, all of them and you will hit the ground at the same time because vertical and horizontal forces DO NOT interact with each other!
btw, for those people who watched too much movies, there are animals that could run over water but that is due to the surface tension of water! and about those Ninjas running over small ponds, it is a MOVIE!
If you don't believe me then try run over a lake. You will be running at your top speed because nothing motivates a person more than the fear of his or her own death. Then you will die as the end result of "The laws of the universe" shoves its foot up your inept ass!
[edit] A reply to the evidence above
youtube wouldn't allow me to post more than 500 characters beside most people there are teenagers who wouldn't understand my standpoint anyway.
Don't believe anything until you see it with your own two eyes, and even then consult your mind.
This video evidence is rather dubious. The camera doesn't show the setup and turn away at key moments. The metal rod could just be malleable plastic and the light bulbs could be made by reinforced glass. The matter of fact is they break the laws of physics which governs everything. Even if you assume there is such a thing as chi, How does it make you lighter? The Earth still has the same pull on you (15 lb per square inch)(please edit this if the number is wrong) where did your weight go? It can't just disappear. The amazing weapons that are able to harm them might just be fake or have any of you consider the possiblity of them having very tough skin?--that can be train(Having many layers like those callous on your feet if you walk too much and doesn't wear the right footwear?
Why do people jump to the conclusion when there are so many variables?
- This is probably my fault for copying and pasting from another website. Feel free to edit it instead of moaning and bitching on the talk page. As for the running on water thing, it is a result of the merging if the two original articles, and if you read between the lines, it does not say that it is possible to run on water, it states that in the movies, qing gong is popularly exagerrated. Watch bulletproof monk to see what I mean.
As for the video I see nothing wrong with the angles. Chris clearly sates that the weight is the same. I don't know how lightness skill works but think for a second. You don't walk across all surfaces the same way do you? As for the weapons demonstration you are partly right about the callouses, this is shaolin training which relies a lot upon buildiing the body, but you know nothing of chi gong, which is actually a fairly easy skill to learn, but hard to master. It's not just used to stop blades, but is used by a lot of people for reasons of health.
Can you see quarks with your own two eyes? I too love the laws of physics, but remember that we are living in the 21st century and the laws of quantum physics, in particular those of non-locality theory, make no sense logically, but help fill in the gaps where classical physics falls apart. Trust me I do use my mind to think and I don't believe in astrology, etc.
Thank you for comments. Dessydes 06:10, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Explanation
Mastery of Qing Gong is not achieved by actually changing the your bodymass, weight or by manipulation of the forces of gravity. It is achieved by allowing only certain parts of your body to come into contact with the object you are using. For the scientifically minded, by ensuring that only certain points or parts of your body to come into contact with the object, you are ensuring that your entire mass and resultant weight is concentrated to the point that comes into contact with the object.
If a huge mass is concentrated into a minute surface area it can greatly increase its weight. Swords work by concentrating the entire mass of the sword into a minute edge or surface area, therefore increasing the weight of the edge which comes into contact with its target almost infinitely. If you can ensure that the same portion or surface area of your hand as the edge or surface area as the sword which comes into contact with your hand - and at the same speed- you can match the weight of the sword and therfore provide the same force as the sword, therefore stopping it dead.
Also the running-up-walls feat which is achieved by many a ninja in martial arts movies is achieved by ensuring that only certain points of the feet or toes come into contact with the wall. This ensures that the entire body's weight is directed to only the points of the feet or toes which actually come into contact with the walls. This essentially makes the Qing Gong practitioner "lighter" , in Lamen's terms compared to someone untrained in Qing Gong.
For the very scientifically minded the practice of Qing Gong can be summed up as "ensuring that the body's mass and resultant weight due to gravity is spread over a smaller area than if the entire part of the body were to come into contact with the object and since masters of Qing Gong can choose which points of their body come into contact with the object, they can perform feats that would appear to be magical or supernatural but are actually just unachievable by those untrained in the practice of Qing Gong."
Although Qing Gong is based on a simple Phyics-based principle, it is extremely difficult to actually apply these principles to your own body in a real situation and is therefore extremely difficult to master.
[edit] name
The name of the article is "Qing gong" but its always referred to in the body as "Qing Gong", and then the pinyin is qingging and the yale is... well it doesnt matter cuz no one will use it. my point is, the title should be "Qinggong" and all references in the article should be qinggong. Spelling it Qing Gong is like spelling nothing as No Thing. --1698 21:33, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Actually this is a prob with many chinese related articles. I suggest we take a look at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese). -- mh 07:41, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Pinyin is actually something like ching kung. Definitely not ging though. Dessydes 05:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Actually the pinyin is, as that guy stated, Qinggong. He probably made a typo when writing "qingging" - i and o are right next to each other. "Ching Kung" would be the old Wade-Giles romanisation, not Pinyin. Also, the article in general lacks any qualification or sourcing of the explanation which seems totally pseudoscientific and unbelievable. Destynova 21:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
