Talk:Psychiatry: An Industry of Death

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Contents 1 Psychiatry-related deaths 2 Hitler? 3 Name should be changed 4 Layout

[edit] Psychiatry-related deaths

These people are clearly deluded. Everybody knows that Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain. Madame Sosostris 00:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

These people are clearly deluded in MANY ways. Who could possibly believe that all of psychiatry is a conspiracy? For gosh sake. Minervamoon 19:18, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, the article pretty much misrepresents what Scientology's CCHR actually says, so you end up with the "conspiracy" thing. On the other hand, hardly anything Scientology does say is linked. There's no link to CCHR, no link to Scientolgoy's public statements, and then an exterior links *erk* points to a newsgroup posting, stored on a server, apparently. Well, newsgroups are about like Yahoo chat, unattributable, unreliable, unattested, and generaly just anything a persone feel likes stating at the moment. Terryeo 05:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Which link are you talking about? I don't see a newsgroup being used as a source, but maybe I missed something. --Rob 05:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

This was posted above:

"These people are clearly deluded in MANY ways. Who could possibly believe that all of psychiatry is a conspiracy? For gosh sake."

My response: Have you seen the exhibit? Have you seen the evidence? I have and I found it to be very compelling. I personally have witnessed the results of "conservative" psychiatric treatment in someone I love. By doing research in order to help her out of the deep hole that her "treatment" drove her into, I discovered that the effects she experienced to be similar--almost uniform--with other, completely disrelated people with completely different diagnoses: A person has problems in life. They seek the help of a medical professional, someone to talk to. In keeping with the currently acceptable practice methods, the psychiatrist MUST label the patient with a disease or disorder (insurance regulations requires that a diagnosis code be placed on the insurance claim AND in the patient record). The patient is given a prescription for a dangerous, addictive medication (these drugs cannot be stopped abruptly without extreme side effects or even death). The patient accepts and believes the diagnosis, after all the doctor is the expert. They then begin to degenerate either as a result of or in an attempt to embrace the diagnosis. Their lives decay as a result and they end up crippled and addicted as there are no cures in psychiatric medicine

And as the exhibit points out, no scientific tests to determine if the infamous "chemical imbalance" is real. All diagnosis and treatment are based upon opinion of the doctor.

Imagine a patient undergoing chemotherapy without scientific evidence just because a doctor is of the opinion that the patient has cancer? And imagine an insurance company paying for it, it's ludicrous. But that is psychiatry.

What is now vogue in the medical community--dispensing medication--is what I call "conservative" treatment. If you think it only occurs on a limited scale or in special circumstances, start being alert to your environment. One clue is what used to be called "psycho-babble" (derogatory term). Today that language has pervaded every sector and you will hear it everywhere: lunch rooms, talk shows, magazine covers and it's certainly constantly being aired in TV commercials. Count the number of times you see that happy little pill bouncing around on the screen the next time you watch your favorite show.

If you think the more violent treatments are dead and gone, think again. Electroconvulsive therapy is alive and well (see ect.org). I haven't researched insulin therapy, but I'm sure it's out there, too. If you don't know what these treatments are, you would do well to research them, especially before you start to judge or make public statements as to whether someone else is deluded or not.

So if you think the claims made in the Psychiatry: An Industry of Death museum are overblown, survey your friends and relatives. How many of them have prescriptions for Prozac, Zoloft or Paxil? I think you will be surprised at how high the percentage is. And when your kid, your grandkid or your neighbor's kid is slated for a prescription of Adderall or Ritalin, remember that no, it's not a consipiracy. It's just a very dangerous fad. And also remember: someone tried to warn you.

In a very complacent America, CCHR is trying to help and raise awareness. And who knows? At the rate this problem is growing, you might be next. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.215.15.87 (talk • contribs) 21:12, October 29, 2006.

Of course there are mistakes and problems with psychiatry. Helping to fix those problems is the only rational course of action. Coming out and saying ALL psychiatrists are engaged in a conspiracy is plain ridiculous. There might be a grain of truth behind what CCHR is saying, but then the claims made by CCHR also apply to Scientology (profit motivation, not caring about people, etc.). Scientology is NOT a medical organisation, and has no right to instruct others on the benefits or dangers of various forms of medication. There are scientific methods for achieving that, and Scientology stays away from them, as engaging the scientific world about psychiatry would only highlight the intrinsic bullshit and danger of Scietnology as a whole. Pot. Kettle. Black. Dave420 11:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow that guy sounds exactly like the 9-11 conspiracy nuts (eg 'we know the truth, we tried to warn you! soon it will be too late!') -- you bring up many points about psychiatry - and as Dave420 mentioned, those are just (anecdotal) evidence pointing out that psychiatry is still an inexact, problem-ridden field of medicine. (obviously, since it deals with problems in the brain, the most complex of all human organs! do people expect it to be the same as fixing a twisted ankle?)

But what I take issue with most is where do these figures and scientific 'evidence' come from? Is there any independent (non-Church of Scientology affliated) source for these wild statements? (10,000 people a year killed by electroshock therapy? 9-11 suicide bombers, etc?) Without evidence you got nothing but a fantasy(like the one about the volcanos and the alien souls....) 202.92.166.42 02:49, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Most of the people interviewed in the DVD and Museum’s videos are not Scientologists: Robert Whitaker, Thomas Szasz, Colin Ross, Fred Baughman, Ron Leifer and many others.

As to where the scientific evidence comes from, take a look at the article Biopsychiatry controversy. —Cesar Tort 07:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hitler?

Wtf? *dumbfounded* Hempeater 23:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Business as usual for Scientology. Dave420 11:26, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name should be changed

This article should be renamed to Psychiatry: An Industry of Death (best choice) or Psychiatry: An Industry of Death (museum) (if there's something else, like a book, with the same name). Wikipedia:Naming conventions suggests quotation marks should not go in article titles. --Rob 01:31, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Layout

Someone who know how to should change the layout of the page so the picture of the museum doens't obscure the bulleted claims. Sixtus LXVI 08:12, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out (it only seems to affect Internet Explorer, which I don't generally use). I've added some more text to push the bullets down below the image. -- ChrisO 08:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)