Talk:Protocol III
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[edit] Shape
We probably shouldn't put this on the actual article, but I wanted to share it with you guys: Compare the Red Diamond with the NATO symbol for hostile target...
[edit] Content
This article is mostly a duplicate of the Red Crystal Flag article, I say we merge this with the other article.
This article makes almost no sense to me whatsoever. How does this relate to the Red Crystal symbol, and why?
- I think the biggest problem is that the first sentence in incomprehible. I tried to fix it until I realized I'm not sure what it is supposed to mean....ike9898 22:33, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Issues with this article
First, the lemma of the article is simply inappropriate because it's ways to short and expressionless. "Protocol III" can mean many things, there are several other international treaties which have a third additional protocol. Second, the article is partly a copy&paste from the article about the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement, hence it is an unnecessary duplication and raises problems about the GNU FDL, because the source is not given. Third, it overlaps in large parts with the article about the Red Crystal flag, which also contains parts which were copied from the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement article and which also has an inappropriate lemma. The Red Crystal is not a flag, it's an emblem, and as such it can used on clothing, painted on vehicles or buildings and so forth. Altogether, both articles serve little purpose. All of their content is contained in the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement article or can be incorporated there (or into the article about the Geneva Conventions). Hence both should be deleted in my humble opinion, they are typical snapshot reactions to a current event. --Uwe 21:04, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
- With regards to the naming and existance of this article, we have articles on the first and second protocols to the Geneva Conventions, which are at Protocol I and Protocol II. All three could do probably with being moved to better names. Yes, part of this article is copy&pasted from International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement, I thought that saying so in the edit summary was OK (if not, I apologise and hope I havn't created too much mess.) The article Red Crystal flag is, at best, misleadingly named. I think what we have here is a messy collection of articles produced in response to the recognition of the new emblem, and need cleaning up/merging, but not deletion. -- AJR | Talk 23:03, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
From a purely practical standpoint as a random user, I found the information in this article elucidating. When I read the red crystal page I understood the content, but this page helped me understand it a great deal more. I think this page should be incorporated into the red crystal page as the red crystal is a distinct thing as opposed to "Protocol III" which is totally meaningless to me. --Tristan, random dude... 9 December 2005 (sometime)
[edit] Ethiopia
I read many years ago (and therefore have no citation) that in Ethiopia the Red Cross has long been the traditional symbol of a brothel, so its use as the rest of Christendom uses it has been a problem. J S Ayer 21:34, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Iran
I recall reading of the "Red Lion" with a sword and the sun rising behind it as the symbol for the equivalent in Iran. But this was during the time of Shah Reza P... I wonder what happened to this - was it discarded with the Islamic Revolution? So there already was a third protocol! --69.16.84.5 22:03, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, it was discarded after the Islamic Revolution. But this did not require an international agreement, just a decision on Iran's part to switch to another already-recognized symbol.--Pharos 22:10, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
- Furthermore, the Red Lion with Sun was not introduced through adoption of an additional protocol. It was included in the Geneva Conventions during their 1929 revision. Check the article about the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement for more information about the history of the symbols. The Red Lion with Sun is still a recognized protection symbol, and when Iran abandoned it in 1980 in favour of the Red Crescent, they explicitly retained the right to re-activate its use when they see the need to do so. --Uwe 22:51, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Chevrons
I recall that two chevrons were once a possibility. Perhaps there could be some mention of it, if anyone has more information. CoolGuy 06:08, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Red Crystal
This just in. The red cross supports pagan crystal worship. Protocol III--Gbleem 17:52, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
