Talk:Prefectures of Japan

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There is a high level of ambiguty in the links listed on this page. Most Japanese prefectures share the same name as their capital and should be clearly seperated.

I {'m creating|created} stub pages for the entries here using <prefecture name> plus the word prefecture appended to it e.g. Osaka prefecture.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

synthetik 05:03 Feb 6, 2003 (UTC)


If there is a list of Prefectures and their capitals, I'd like to include it in List of capitals of subnational entities Docu 13:32 Feb 15, 2003 (UTC)
I'm working on a tableized format of this page where I blantantly rip off your layout from Cantons of Switzerland ;) give me about two hours plus... synthetik 14:08 Feb 15, 2003 (UTC)
Please use the layout, incidentally I slightly changed it in the meantime ;-) -- Your table looks great, even improves on my layout. I included the list in List of capitals of subnational entities Docu 16:28 Feb 15, 2003 (UTC)
Thank you for helping me expanding the list. BTW there I added " prefecture" to all prefectures named after their capital. I suppose this the way you will be titling the articles/stubs Docu 19:58 Feb 15, 2003 (UTC)
Thats right, the goal is defenitly to have the prefecture appended to each name at some point in the near future. You saved me quite a bit of work that way thanks _(_ _)_
synthetik 00:53 Feb 16, 2003 (UTC)

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[edit] Japanese prefecture capitalization

Hello. You decapitalized Japanese prefectures but I think we reached consensus in favor of capitalization somewhere (someone's user talk?). --Nanshu 03:59, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I concur. "Prefecture" should be capitalized. We don't say "Cook county" or "Florida state" or "Manitoba province" or "Mexico city." -- Sekicho 08:30, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

I de-capitalised them for two major reasons. Firstly, most of the article texts didn't capitalise any of them. Secondly, it is my understanding of our naming convention that they shouldn't be capitalised. Furthermore, it is my understanding of our naming convention that they shouldn't even have the "prefecture" next to them; those that have unique names (like Shimane) should be just that, without the "prefecture". Those that don't (like Nagasaki), should have "(prefecture)" (also lower-case). — Timwi 12:42, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I don't have a strong opinion about capitalization, but I think "prefecture" or "Prefecture" is essential because it is difficult to determine whether a proper name is unique. I don't like the endless work of moving articles and fixing links. --Nanshu
You may have a point or may not. Regardless, please respect the convention. I think we had this issue before and we have settled to capitalize prefecture. It is just wasteful that someone renames articles and then someone else renames them back. We have to stop this. -- Taku 16:55, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)
Please tell me where we've made the convention. I failed to find it. --Nanshu 02:28, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hi. Not wanting to come across as rude or anything, but please could you move this discussion to Talk:Prefectures of Japan? Thanks. — Timwi 02:39, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Picture

Mutter. I'm confused. It looks perfectly legible and smooth on my home computer (which runs on a 1600x1200 CRT) but on my 1024x768 LCD at work, the numbers are all blocky and illegible. How odd. Anyone else seeing it as barely legible? :/ --Golbez 16:07, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)

If you mean the map of prefectures, it looks fine to me on my work computer with a 1024×768 pixel CRT. Fg2 07:42, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)
Also looks fine from home with (please don't laugh!) 800&times600 CRT. Has your problem gone away?
Yeah, it has.. looks fine now! weird. Ah well, thanks. :) I was scared that I'd have to redo my map. ;) --Golbez 15:55, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)
Something's weird about Wikipedia's servers. If you upload a new image with the same name, the old image keeps coming up. I've tried clearing my cache, using different browsers, shift-reload—the browser techniques do not work. It's as if the server has its own cache, and never clears it on its own.
The only way around it, as far as I've found, is to edit the article and change the pixel dimensions of the image. That forces the server to put a new version in the article. (Even going from 200 to 201px works.) As if editing the article forces Wikipedia to clear its server cache. So, you might have experienced that problem, or maybe there's a related problem. Anyhow, glad it worked out! Fg2 23:15, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)

Not knowing much about the topic, I had the impression that prefecture translates the Japanese administrative unit 県 (of 都道府県; see also Prefecture#Japanese_sense_of_prefecture, which is linked to ja:県). As written, though, it appears that the pluralized term also includes other types of units (都道府). Following the first sentence, perhaps this article should be called Jurisdictions of Japan? A-giau 21:00, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I don't see what you mean; that article states that there are 47 prefectures, anything below that is a subprefecture. Can you cite a different source, or elaborate? --Golbez 21:42, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)

A-giau: This is similar to how Massachusetts, Pennsylvania etc. are "commonwealths," but for all practical purposes they're states of the United States. Likewise, Osaka, Kyoto, Hokkaido, and Tokyo are prefectures even though they aren't called ken in Japanese. (In fact, the English translation of fu is also "prefecture," so Hokkaido and Tokyo are the only prefectures that aren't legally called prefectures in English.) The difference between these jurisdictions and the other prefectures is so slight that it's not really reasonable to take them out of the list of prefectures. At any rate, Jurisdictions of Japan would have to include all the cities, towns, villages, districts, aza, wards, special wards, etc. etc. - Sekicho 22:38, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)

This is probably off-topic, but a phrase Hokkaido prefecture is technically incorrect as do should translate to a prefecture (this is the same problem as HIV virus). In practice, though, no one says Hokkai Prefecture. -- Taku 02:26, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Shinjuku

In what sense is Shinjuku the capital of Tokyo? I can't find anything relevant in the Shinjuku article. --Auximines 10:11, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I'd prefer not to call Shinjuku the capital of Tokyo, but in fact, the governor's office, legislature, and administration are located in the Tokyo Metropolitan Government Building in Shinjuku, which as a special ward has the status of a city, and so could be called a capital city. Fg2 10:41, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] spelling of prefectures

A survey is being conducted at Wikipedia_talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related_articles)#Prefectures and macrons to determine which prefectures should have their spelling "macron-ized", per the existing manual of style. Oita has been changed already, and each of the others is current being discussed (Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto, Hokkaido, Hyogo, and Kochi). Please join the discussion if you wish. Neier 00:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

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