Talk:Pot pie
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In the Pennsylvania Dutch region it is not served in a pie form at all. But more of a stew form. It usually a combination of chicken or ham or beef, noodles (from scratch, and they're a noodle made of a basic pie crust recipie), potatos, and a healthy stock of an onion and celery and parsley. Boullion is used to get more of a flavor but if done right it's not needed.--153.25.87.34 13:57, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Merging of Pork pie
I don't know about the other types of pies, but a pork pie is a very distinctive type of pie which certainly seems to deserve its own article. So - oppose. Richard W.M. Jones 20:48, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Oppose from me too. Not just Pork Pie but all the distinctive pies. It would be like merging all the US Beer Brand articles, or all the articles related to milk based foods. Just because the same English word is used as part of the name, doesn't make the culturally and historically distinct foods similar enough to belong in a meaningful single artcle. The Australian meat pie is culturally significant, the Corned beef pie lays in a pastry shell, but the content is nothing like these weird Pot Pie things. Alex Law 05:11, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Oppose for same reasons. The cultural distinctions should be reflected.
- Are you guys saying that cultural distintions cannot be preserved on a merged page? Is it not possible that such distinctions could in fact be better highlighted on a merged page? (Actually, exactly what part of this article deals with cultural distinctions? That the crust is flakier?) Ewlyahoocom 11:36, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
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- A pork pie and a "pot pie" (the latter term wouldn't even be recognised by most British people) are distinct and different foods. Would we have a single page describing all the world's lagers for instance? Perhaps one main article about pies, called pie, linking to specific articles about all the different types of pie in the world. Richard W.M. Jones 12:27, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Don't get hung up on the terminology. My preference is to merge all these together into a page called Meat pie -- but that currently redirects to Australian meat pie. As for lagers, I don't know: Are there 2 pages of significant length and 10 stubs? Yeah, I'd probably want to merge that. Ewlyahoocom 15:16, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
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- I'd have to say that cultural distinctions would be difficult to preserve in a single page, and millions of rediects to a huge uninformative page aren't very helpful. Also when you consider wikipedia's preferences on article length. Meat pies are varied things, and are often deeply bound with cultural identities in Australia and the UK. Alex Law 15:25, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
On cultural distinctions, the existance of a seperate article for each ethnicity's type is inevitable. Fold them all in, and partisans will unfold them, if only so that they can point to a wikipedia article for "their" ethnic food. As for flakiness of pastry, my recollection of Pork Pies is that the pasty isn't flakey at all. One of the big problems is that pie (and related words like tart and flan and pastie) are all highly dialect dependant. For example many Americans are boggled by the idea of a pie that isn't a dessert food. Alex Law 15:30, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the mergefrom|to Pork pie, and this is my reasoning. While I could throw together a nice steak and kidney pie for you in a couple of hours, a pork pie is an entirely different animal. It is constructed in several stages, with a complex pork filling, separate lid and jelly. http://www.blogjam.com/2005/04/17/pork-pie/ shows pictures. The process happens over at least a day (because you need to cook it for a long time and then leave it overnight to cool). Once constructed, the pie can be carried around in your pocket without any additional packaging (quite unlike a steak and kidney pie). In addition, an overview page for all pies already exists - it's called pie, and it links to the different types of pie. "Pot pie" is a term which is never used in the UK as far as I'm aware. I suggest the other merges be removed too. Richard W.M. Jones 17:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Corned beef pie
Emboldened by Richard W.M. Jones above (at 17:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)) on Pork Pies, I have removed the mergefrom|to for Corned beef pie. A CBP is filled not with a mix of meat and gravy or a stewlike material, but a bed of mashed potaties with corned beef (especially the tinned kind) and sometimes other ingredients. Apart from being in a piecrust, it is nothing like a Pot pie (whatever that is, especially considering the comment about Pot pies being made with no crust at all). Alex Law 13:10, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merging of "steak and kidney pie"
Oppose Recognisability - most Brits don't use the term pot pie. When they do, it is in reference to a dish more like thick chunky soup. (I've just made myself feel rather hungry). --UrbaneLegend 03:14, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Oppose I'd never heard the term Pot Pie in Australia at all, but steak and kidney pie is a well known food (no-one ever seems to eat them, but everyone has heard of them). Alex Law 06:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Oppose - I both recognise the term "steak and kidney pie" and eat them! Never heard of "pot pie" outside this discussion though. Richard W.M. Jones 10:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Stop Merging the articles. Pot Pies are NOT steak and Kidney pies. Stop MErging, they deserve their own place!
[edit] Another merge?
How about Chicken pot pie?--Rayc 04:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Merge. Kukini 23:19, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- Merge. Scoutersig 01:04, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
