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[edit] Why my link was removed ?
I was add link to site http://www.fleshka.net , i think it is a great site , on this site i found more 250000 pornography galleries in all niches . Thanks
- Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a repository of links. This article is not meant to be a list of places to find porn, but rather an encyclopedia discussion of pornography.--Bibliophylax 16:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Please Add This
I think the page is protected. I want to add the term Carnography under See also. Would someone be able to add it? 156.34.222.231 13:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- Done. -- Beland 02:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks 156.34.220.66 19:13, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Revise "Religions Objections"
Here's the current contents of "Religious Objections."
Fundamentalist religious tradition generally limits sexual intercourse to the express function of procreation. Thus, sexual pleasure or sex oriented entertainment, as well as lack of modesty, are usually considered immoral by conservative religious sects. Additionally, many religious groups view pornography as contributing to 'immoral' behavior in society.
Since I believe a very significant portion of opposition to pornography is religiously- or morally-informed, the sparse, stereotyping treatment here surprises me. I see that this was discussed recently (on the most recent archive page), but no significant action was taken.
Here's what I would recommend, combining text from the current article, the talk page, and my own writing (as a new user, I can't make the change myself):
Religious groups often discourage their members from viewing or reading pornography, and support legislation restricting its publication. These positions derive from broader religious views about sexuality. In some religious traditions, for example, sexual intercourse is limited to the express function of procreation. Thus, sexual pleasure or sex-oriented entertainment, as well as lack of modesty, are considered immoral. Other religions do not find sexual pleasure immoral, but see sex as a sacred, godly, highly-pleasurable activity that is only to be enjoyed with one's spouse. These traditions do not condemn sexual pleasure in and of itself, but they impose severe limitations on the circumstances under which sexual pleasure may be properly experienced. Pornography in this view is seen as the secularization of something sacred, and a violation of spouses' intimate relationship.
In addition to expressing concerns about violating sexual morality, some religions take an anti-pornography stance claiming that viewing pornography is addictive, leading to self-destructive behavior. Proponents of this view compare pornography addiction to alcoholism, both in asserting the seriousness of the problem and in developing treatment methods.
I would link to pornography addiction in the second paragraph, and add that link to the "see also" section at the bottom of the article.
I've removed the word "fundamentalist" in the interest of NPOV. It's heavy with connotation. On the one hand, anyone who espouses this view is labeled as out-of-touch or extremist. On the other hand, it implies that those who have different religious views on sexuality are less "fundamental" than those who take this particular view. I think we can just say "some religions" without unnecessarily labeling them.
These changes should probably also be merged into the main article -- Anti-pornography movement.
-- Smith.dan 22:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Concerns about children using Wikipedia and finding porn
Wikipedia, so many underaged children are currently viewing wikipedia on educational purposes such as science and literature. I strongly condemn any pornography in this encyclopdia site. Even if you need to put them for particular purposes, don't you think the external link might be harmful. Young people are always curious about these things despite the number of content warnings you have labelled. They are addictive and unnecessary. {[from anonymously]}
- Ultimately it is the responsibility of parents to supervise their children's computer use and prevent them from visiting certain sites if they think it is necessary. (I am a parent myself.) Personally I don't see anything harmful to children in the current version. As for porn being addictive, that is subject to debate, to say the least. Please see The Science of Pornography Addiction by Daniel Linz, Ph.D. Rosemary Amey 18:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Apparently I can now edit the page. Made my suggested changes myself. -- Smith.dan 13:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Can pornography be performed?
Pornography may use any of a variety of media — printed literature, photos, sculpture, drawing, painting, animation, sound recording, film, video, or video game, and may even be performed in a live venue, possibly in front of a live audience.
I question the notion that pornography "may even be performed". The word root -graphos means that pornography must be in the form of some distributable medium. The subject it depicts may be (almost always is) a live performance, but IMO one cannot perform pornography. That does not rule out that that a live performer's emulation of sex acts could be described as pornographic (adjective) i.e. "like pornography". (cuddlyable3)84.210.139.189 18:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I believe you are correct. Because the word is subjective in interpretation, many people think that some things that they view as being pornographic. Accurate though, is as you say, that live sex performers could not be considered to be pornographic, although the recording of the event might be termed by some to be pornographic. Atom 19:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- This seems to be a gray area between the technical definition (as cited above), and common useage. There is certainly a long history of "live sex shows" which feature "lascivious" performances designed to tittilate and arouse the audience. These might well qualify as pornographic performances for that reason. Doc Tropics 19:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but the reason that they are not advertised as pornographic performances is because they are not recorded. A lascivious performance designed to tittilate and arouse is not pornographic, the video tape of the performance may be. Only a depiction of the event can be pornographic the behaviour itself may be erotic, obscene or lascivious, but not pornographic.
Etymology: Greek pornographos, adjective, writing about prostitutes, from pornE prostitute + graphein to write; akin to Greek pernanai to sell, poros journey -- more at FARE, CARVE 1 : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement 2 : material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement 3 : the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction <the pornography of violence>
Atom 20:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
