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[edit] facts

this page needs to be checked for its facts (seagate dose not make game systems,it uses usb not a coax cable and wifi not gsm). I fixed the last two but i fear this page has been messed up by this stuff or some one is not doing there homework before editing jmccabe871 12:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

It's more likely to be sneaky vandalism that went unnoticed. Sockatume 12:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UMD Movies

I do not believe Sony would press pornography onto UMDs - and currently only Sony can manufacture. Please give source. Lmnt 15:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

A quick Google search reveals [1], [2], and [3]. -- ReyBrujo 16:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarification Lmnt 15:57, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Firmware clarification needed

does sony force firmware upgrades by including them on games? this is unclear. is there an option to refuse when game is inserted. how prevalent are firmware upgrade games? its nice to know how hostile sony is towards the homebrew movement. --freddyweidwerererw--:) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.141.181.156 (talk • contribs).

As far as I know, no. Some games require a determined firmware or higher, otherwise they don't run. Firmware isn't included in games, you need to download and install them yourself. -- ReyBrujo 03:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Game that require a certain firmware include the update software on the disc. Juggaleaux 05:45, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, new games REQUIRE new firmware, which ARE included in the discs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.23.234.125 (talk • contribs) .
Yes some new games include V2.6. Soon prolly 2.7. On the disk the update is.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 23:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Loco Roco requires 2.71. 64.247.206.184 17:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Only the demo of Loco Roco requires 2.71, the original game requires 2.6. HellDragon 00:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The games don't "need" the firmware upgrade as such. This has been proven with a piece of homebrew called X-Flash which you can use to trick the PSP into thinking it's any firmware version you want (like 13.39 for example). As long as it's higher, the games will run. Sony merely do it to try to force the update upon you, or to provide the updates if you want them (as most people who don't use homebrew do). Oh and the firmware IS ALWAYS included on the UMD's if it's supposedly "required". Huds601 10:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

It depends on what the game is. Most new games "need" 2.71 or higher, but can be emulated by DevHook. Version changing tricks alone do not work for games that need 2.0+. TeamOverload 18:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] move

This article should be moved, as the article itself states to the official name being PSP. Sony refers the system as the PSP so it should definitly moved. 68.194.16.14 00:11, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

The system is the Playstation Portable, anon. PSP is an acronym, just like PS1 refers to Playstation, and PS2 stands for Playstation 2. This article will stay right where it is. Daniel Davis 01:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Also I'm pretty sure the patents and the system manual itself says PlayStation Portable. Jedi6-(need help?) 01:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Not to mention Sony's official website has the words "Playstation Portable" in big bold letters right on the system's listing. Daniel Davis 01:57, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Rename article "Not to mention Sony's official website has the words "Playstation Portable" in big bold letters right on the system's listing." Yes, it also has PSP about 5 font sizes bigger before it. The article should definitly be changed to PSP. That's is its official name. Some people know what the PSP is without even knowing what it stands for. Every single time the name of the machine is wrote, it is always 'PSP' sometimes with 'PlayStation Portable' written next to it to show the other name. PlayStation and PlayStation2 are the official names with the shortened versions (PS1 and PS2) being used less (the banner at the top of PlayStation 2 games says PlayStation 2 and the cover of PSP games says PSP). Also check the first line, "most commonly abreviated to 'PSP'" (both by the manufacturer and audience). Sony only list Playstation, PSP and UMD as their trademarks, 'Playstation Portable' hasn't been mentioned by the company in any of their copyright notices. Why not call the Nintendo DS page "Dual Screen". Because it's wrong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.141.141.10 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
While it seems PSP is the offical primary name, I think the article should remain at PlayStation Portable for disambiguation purposes. There is already a diambiguation page at PSP, and Sony PR indicates that PlayStation Portable is a correct name, albeit a secondary name. As for naming the Nintendo DS article "Dual Screen", Nintendo never committed to DS standing for anything officially, so that comparison isn't completely fair. Dancter 00:44, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

This has already been discussed and beaten more than once before. See the archives (e.g. Proposed Move Redux). I don't see this attempt being any more successful. However, I would like to add that per Wikipedia's naming conventions it would be more appropriate to use PSP if it didn't "conflict with the names of other people or things." --Kamasutra 09:44, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] top-selling article?

This article says GTA: Liberty City Stories is the top selling game, but the Need for Speed article says NFS: Undreground Rivals is. Which one is correct? BackInBlack 12:18, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

GTA is the best selling, Need for speed use to be though. Jedi6-(need help?) 05:55, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] comparison picture

Could a comparison picture of the psp vs. the ds lite be produced for the page? Or at least a picture showing more similar onscreen images?

I've got DevHook on my PSP with the screen capture module, so I'll expand the Devhook article at some point with info on the screen capture mod and provide some screenshots for the article and animated gif's using the screen capture's video tool. When I'll do this I don't know, I got a busy week ahead of me, but I'll try and get this done sometime in the next week or two. Huds601 10:31, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverted to remove talk-like content

I reverted to remove the following:

This is an update by a PSP Senior Owner, known as spartan878 or spartan108, on April 21, 2006. The paragraph including the new features of PSP Firmware Version 3.0 are fake. There was a photoshopped picture made by an unknown user, that made the fake 3.0 picture. It would be GREAT to have an email program, paint, an organizer, that is my PSP dream! But, it is not true, the paragraph ABOVE THAT is true: At the PlayStation Briefing conference on [[March 15]], [[2006]] in Japan, Sony revealed plans for future firmware updates to include [[Macromedia Flash]] software and enhanced RSS support for internet radio with later updates providing support for streaming RSS video. Future updates will also add Video and Voiceover Communication via IP support, using the upcoming PSP EyeToy Camera. Other additions will include GPS and Camera support and additional language fonts.<ref name="pspfut">{{cite news | url=http://psp.ign.com/articles/696/696079p1.html | title=Sony Outlines PSP Future - New peripherals, new updates and new games, straight from Japan | author=Anoop Gantayat | publisher=IGN | date=March 15, 2006}}</ref>

--Mwongozi 23:40, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Uses as a PDA

I may be out of line here, but I think it's worth mentioning. Given the capability of a PSP to be used to browse the internet, download, etc. One would think that more than just myself would use it as a PDA, at least for looking up documents or such.

Yet the firmware does not include a tool to view text files from the memory stick.

There is a workaround, as you can view offline web pages without a connection to the internet, so long as you know the exact location on the memory stick. (it will only load .html, or else it says 'content can not be displayed'.)

You can also read .txt oriented word documents. All you do is place it in the root of the memory stick and load it. Here is an example. file:/dvc.txt As you can see, here I loaded 'dvc', a word document. DVC stands for 'Da Vinci Code'

At the point at which the internet browser was still an exploit in the Wipeout Pure game, these were produced & placed on the internet as easy links to where you would go most often. Some even included HTML-based games & tools.

They are still usable, but the browser update in the firmware seems to have stopped most 'Portals', as they were called, from being used much anymore. (At least in my case, in which the one I found needing to be scrapped & jury-rigged in order to really work.

Perhaps even just a mention in the homebrew section may be acceptable. Or if a sub-section of 'features' titled 'browser', with a mention, just to show the capability. I assume that if we are to make this as NPOV as possible, we should note that some people will look at this article & decide wether or not they want this. (I know I did before I bought one)

Disclaimer: I did not say we should advertise this! I notice a lot of arguing on these pages & don't want to start anything. Bubacxo April 24, 2006

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[edit] Television Hook-Up/Interface?

Is there anything one can buy for the PSP and another system that would allow one to view games and PSP movies on a normal television? I'm thinking the Gamecube's Gameboy Advance player in spirit, here. Rockhound 02:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

  • No one's able to tell me? Gee, thanks. Rockhound 18:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

You can only do it with the PSP dev kit, which is 8 grand. --mboverload@ 18:51, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I understand that Lik Sang offer such a device, no development kit required, see [4] --Oscarthecat 20:48, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but that's just a camera in a box. =) However, it does accomplish Rockhound's goal. Thanks for the link --mboverload@ 21:10, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
You're right, but is there anything officially licensed by Sony? I'm really nervous about getting a PSP, and then doing this, and somehow voiding warranties or what have you. Rockhound 01:49, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

There were these TV adapters for the PSP at my local GameStop for $80 (too high!) NYyankees51 22:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

There are a few devices now that are able to do this. They all attach over the top of the PSP and, as far as I can tell, record the PSP through a camera in the device, which then attaches to the TV via something like a scart connection. Huds601 10:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CPU info

The PSP's CPU is a dual-core MIPS32 R4000-based CPU (little endian), each core being globally clocked between 1 and 333 MHz. During the GDC, Sony revealed that it has currently capped the PSP's CPU clock at 222 MHz. Its reasons for doing so are unknown, but are the subject of some speculation. The cap was previously set at the level of add-on software, not through the firmware (though the crossbar runs at 222 MHz). Unofficial software hacks can unlock 333 MHz operation, but Sony is not allowing any official programmers use 333 MHz at this time. The primary CPU core is responsible for traditional game processor functions; the secondary core, dubbed the "Virtual Media Engine," is responsible for decoding multimedia, for example the H.264 decoder.

It's not dual core. It's dual processor. VERY big difference.

Sort of, the PSP's main microprocessor is basically a SoC. Somehow or another that's gotten contorted into meaning 'dual core CPU', which is, as you said, incorrect. Still, I think you're just talking across terms if you want to call it a 'dual processor' rather than 'dual core'; that adds no additional clarity. I've tried to improve the article's brief technical treatment of the PSP's microprocessor, despite rather limited technical information to go on (the best information is the photocopied slides from the ExtremeTech reference). -- uberpenguin @ 2006-05-19 13:14Z

[edit] Too long

Too long. Please rewrite.--BajillionGremlin 23:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Too long? There are anchors to get to some sections. Leave it as is. Loompyloompy313 23:53, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
It's getting there. Dancter 15:55, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
The homebrew and the UMD movie sections are definitely too long. They've got their own sub-articles, so the section in this article should just be one or two sentences. Certainly doesn't warrant a breakdown of firmware A / B / C etc. --Oscarthecat 20:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2.7 Firmware update

One of the new changes is "A new file extension has been added to playable AAC formats."

This is very cryptic, and no websites seem to explain what it is. My guess is that AAC files in MP4 containers with the M4A extension works now. Tested it with some unmodified iTunes files and it worked. Now, I forgot to check it before updating. Does M4As play in 2.60?
If that's what this change is about, then something could be said about Sony trying to move in on iPod territory directly. 137.158.128.105 00:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
^Trust me Sony cant move in on ipod territory, PSP is a horrible mp3 player. It is very big and, frankly, hard to use. Also it is haevy the only thing going for it is it has speakers, which imo should be on ipods. And I have no idea wat AAC is.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 22:18, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
  • It maybe a horrible mp3 player but it does the job. Also, AAC is one of the formats the iPod supports. Not sure about Protected AAC. Loompyloompy313 23:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction

"By the end of March 2006, 17.3 million units of the PSP had been shipped[1], however the number of units sold is unknown (Sony does not publish sales figures). It is, however known to be considerably less than the number sold for it's main rival, the Nintendo DS. The Nintendo DS has sold over 16 million units, as stated by George Harrison at the 2006 E3 Expo."

17.3 million units shipped which is considerably less than the DS which sold 16 million? Contradictions right in the same sentence are never a good thing. I took this whole statement out until someone gets acurate figures. Malamockq 06:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not a contradiction

What was meant in the previous article ("By the end of March 2006, 17.3 million units of the PSP had been shipped...") was that the PSP has "shipped" 17.3 million units, but the actual number of units "sold" is in fact less than the Nintendo DS, as stated by George Harrison (Senior Vice President of marketing and corporate communications) at E3 2006.

It should be clear people don't misread the "units shipped" as "units sold".

Also, exact figures on the PSP aren't publically available (Nintendo had "independent sources" to relay information of sales figures to them), so accurate numbers - at least official numbers - probably won't be released. (unsigned post)

George Harrison can yodel with an accordian for what its worth- until we get hard, factual numerical data for the PSP section, we must rely on the data that we do have. What we do have is a shipped clear statement from Sony in regards to the PSP. Those are actual numbers. We do not have sold statements- we cannot speculate either higher or lower numbers (or any estimation between) of sold units in light of the blunt fact. We already have it tagged in the article, right next to the number no less, the prominent word "Units Shipped". That's enough. -- Daniel Davis 12:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Personally, just putting "units shipped" is not enough.
First of all, the "units shipped" is in the row of the table that states "Units SOLD". Many people will not read the small letters next to the 17.3 million, and take the 17.3 million units shipped as 17.3 million units SOLD.
If we are to be fair, the numbers 17.3 million should be taken out completely until we are given an actual number of units SOLD. -- posted 24 May 2006

[edit] PSP Units Sold

I believe on the main wikipedia page of the Playstation Portable [5] on the top right table there should be a clarification of how many PSP units have been sold. It only states how many PSP units have shipped worldwide. Unfortunately I can't seem to find any online sources revealing the number of units sold (only shipped) =(. Cuong2u 21:09, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I second this request. The amount of units shipped doesn't at all reflect how well the PSP has sold. If the amount of units sold figure is going to be used, there should be a disclaimer with it. Btboy500 14:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I third (?) this request. I suggest the number 17.3 million should be completely removed from the table (the row on the table states "Units SOLD").
Even though the words 17.3 million 'units sold' are present, people are more likely to read the bolded "SOLD" rather than the measly 'units shipped'.
It is not possible to calculate the amount, as official numbers don't exist. We have NPD numbers (US, just around 4.5m, just 100k less than DS) and Media Create japanese numbers (3.5m or so units sold). There are no reliable numbers from Europe or other places. I have read that DS is still ahead of PSP in UK, but I have also read PSP managed to reach DS some months ago. -- ReyBrujo 11:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Quite frankly, it is not our responsibility to ensure that people are intelligent. There will always be people who jaywalk, who cavort in the rain during thunderstorms- and people who make assumptions instead of reading the entirety of an article. The shipped notice is neither small (it's the same size as the number itself), and it's sourced- which IS enough. we don't need a gigantic sign saying "This is units shipped!", we merely need to present the information. The DS might be ahead of the PSP in sell numbers, or it might be vice-versa. But we don't have concrete, factual data outside of the shipped numbers, which is why they are there. You want to replace it? Find actual sell numbers. -- Daniel Davis 16:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
It is not a matter of people's intelligence, but the plain fact the table states: UNITS SOLD (read the words: "SOLD") so it should not contain the numbers "17.3 million", simply because there haven't been 17.3 million units sold.
Also, it doesn't help that it reads 'units sold' in small letters, because the number 17.3 million is in the space where it states: UNITS SOLD. -- g8or8de 25 May 2006
I think it's ridiculous to make such a big stink since even published "units sold" numbers are estimates based on shipped units and sales trends. There is no good way to precisely ascertain "units sold", so why make such a huge fuss about silly semantics? -- uberpenguin @ 2006-05-25 13:14Z

Jesus Christ of course there should be a distinction between units sold and shipped. For some people who are interested in making concrete comparisons between the two this is an important note. It is not about being unintelligent; it is easy to be fooled by the two distinctions. That's why Sony does it. They are the only company that does this within the video game arena. They even include units that have not left the docking bay as sold. NO company does that.

The speculation mentioned is saying that there are "millions less sold". Additionally, it's already been clearly said that they are units shipped, not sold. Stop putting that paragrah in. Finally, Microsoft also mentions units shipped, as to them it is the number that counts; the amount of units sold from them to the retailers. -- ZakuSage 04:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree that we should do something about the shipped numbers. Either changed "Units sold" (which is probably not a good idea considering it's the standard chart for the consoles) or say unknown and mention the shipped numbers either right after or somewhere else in the article.

I second this opinion. I suggest the table should not state "Units Sold" but be changed to "Units Shipped". Otherwise, take the numbers off completely. I hope people don't become biased over this article in order to support this console.
"You second that opinion" with what is your second edit on Wikipedia total. Good lord, looks like we've got sockpuppets rampaging through here! ZakuSage, I think a checkuser on a few of these "discussion participants" might be in order. -- Daniel Davis 11:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I see no reason to change it... The article already makes it clear what the numbers are, and as I stated earlier, "units sold" is a contrived number anyways. -- uberpenguin @ 2006-06-05 13:04Z
Why don't we just note that the numbers of units sold are unreliable? Because that is exactly what it is. There is a very clear distinction between sold numbers and shipped numbers. Throwing shipped numbers into sales is completely poposterous. I agree that we either change the section to units shipped or remove the shipped numbers from the sales section. We need to do something because the sales section is a mess of jumbled up shipped figures and sales numbers.
-- cherp cherp 2:44, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


First I am sure Sony ALWAYS mention how many they shipped instead of SOLD. Secondly I am not sure about US market but in Japan, every week there is local chart showing the sell of each game console - just in Japan it hardly sell over 10 thousand a month. --203.218.177.120 14:34, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The Australian yourpsp.com.au site in the news article about platinum games on page 3 states 160,000 machines sold, so how do you reference a flash site.--Atirage 14:28, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese link

There is no need to have a link to the Japanese website, this Wikipedia is English. And PlayStation Portable has its own US and EU website which are both official. So why link to a site which only a handful of people reading this Wiki will be able to even get anything out of? Havok (T/C/c) 11:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

The english site is not just a mirror of the japanese one, both are independant. Usually the japanese shows information about firmware upgrades and new games and conventions weeks before the english ones get that it. There is also information that is not available in the english ones, like the PlayStation.Spot (which I notice is not even mentioned in the article). We can see what others think about having that link. My opinion is that it is a reliable source of information, but if nobody want it, remove it. -- ReyBrujo 11:16, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
If it's in english, sure, keep it. But if it's Japanese what use is it? If people want more information in japanese, they visit ja.wikipedia.org, and most likely they know about the japanese website. There is absolutly no reason to keep this link. Havok (T/C/c) 09:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
As you wish. Consensus is what makes Wikipedia so great. -- ReyBrujo 14:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I think we should have this link in. --Timmywimmy 01:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Homebrew section

Seeing as this section has it's own article, is there really any need for it to be so big? It could be cut down to one paragraph explaining what it means and then redirect people to the homebrew article. Havok (T/C/c) 09:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I strongly agree. The length of this section probably dates back to before it received its own article. I'll happily chop it down. --John D'Adamo 15:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] figure of eight plug

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The article mentions that is uses a figure eight plug. Is that actually the IEC connector C7 plug?

If yes, then change the text and link it. 71.199.123.24 07:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

My PSP uses the figure 8 plug. --Thaddius 15:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Consistency

I've noticed that a lot of the spiel to do with firmware is inconsistent. For example:

  • "firmware version 2.7"
  • "Firmware 2.71"
  • "firmware v2.60"
  • "update 2.50"

...and so on. I think we should use some sort of standard format, such as whether to have a "v" at the start. Personally, I think "firmware version x.xx" is easier to understand, and then "firmware x.xx" could be used from thereon.

If nobody objects, I'll go through and update all occurences so at least we have some sort of standard naming convention. --Tim1988 talk 13:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

That would be nice. I usually tag articles or sections with the Template:Update tag to get someone who knows about the topic update it. -- ReyBrujo 13:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] LocoRoco Firmware

I changed the firmware version needed for PAL LocoRoco. The demo needs 2.70, but the actual game only needs 2.60. I know this because A) it's the version included and B) I just upgraded from 2.00 to play it.

Donutta 16:43, 29 June 2006 (GMT +12)

[edit] PNG image format in firmware

The psp has had support for png image format since firmware 1.0 but only as background images in the game section of the xmb, for instance the save game files. The photo section only supported it with 2.0. I cant figure out how to write this into the article though.Atirage 04:18, 1 July 2006 (UTC) There's no point in putting this in the article, as PNG viewing wasn't something avaliable to everyone as a useful function. It's best left out imo 82.46.37.33 18:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Something really needs to be done about the constant vandalism on this article. Seemingly, virtually all edits these days are just vandalism attempts. I would suggest blocking edits by anonymous or newly-registered users, just as the PS3 article has, as they are the vast majority of the vandels. ZakuSage 18:16, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I would also suggest being wary of intentional corporate vandalism by the companies involved. Remember these pages are free advertising. Crash01 02:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PSP White ad

Should something about this ad be added to the article? Havok (T/C/c) 21:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I guess the Criticisms could get a note about the controversy the ads are having (the jump one in the subway, and the white ad). -- ReyBrujo 21:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

"variants of this ad that negated charges of racism... had the black woman dominant on top of the white woman." Which, of course, isn't in the least bit racist. I guess I need to go buy a new dictionary. Aska 11:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Speaking of, why isn't there anything about those American ads with the squirrels and dustballs who are clear racial stereotypes?
Because they AREN'T racial stereotypes. Just because a cartoon character might have an accent doesn't mean in any way that said character is depicting a stereotype- it just means that the actor who did the VA for said character happens to have that accent. To attempt to force from the airwaves (in that vein) anyone who speaks with an accent- now THAT would be racist. We're talking about squirrels and fluff here, not cartoon versions of aunt mam. Ex-Nintendo Employee 02:10, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] reverted claims of criticism

Hey people; many homebrew fans out there have been adding criticism to this article due to PSP's firmware upgrades and edits about it keep being reverted, this leads us to a choice, to either have Sony allow homebrew on future firmware, or to protect the article from editors on Wikipedia? What shall it be? --Nintendude message 16:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the most recent edits to the criticism section due to them being unsourced POVs. I would entirely prefer to remove the criticism section as it shouldn't be found in an encyclopedia in the first place, but would not want to do something as contraversial as that. Any thoughts? ZakuSage 02:12, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Removing sourced criticism would be a blatant violation of WP:NPOV. I could see how some points could be broken up into the article itself (the first two). I think those two first points should be intergrated into the article itself. The White PSP ad should be in a new section titled "Controversey." Put that other ad campaign (the graffiti-like ads) in that section as well. Hbdragon88 22:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gamesharing

Should we make a list of the PSP Gamesharing games? --Ideal4real 05:37, 23 July 2006 (UTC)Ideal4real

Nevermind, I just did it myself. --Ideal4real 05:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I deleted the last paragraph explaining some Games that feature Gamesharing; I figured there was no need for this since I made a whole article about it.--Ideal4real 18:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PSP "sales" chart

An anon attempted to add several sales charts to the page, which gives an incorrect perception-

  • First of all, the charts are outdated- Note the link to some site called "VGCharts" he mentioned, whose shipment data is woefully old. That site still says PSP shipments in the US are 6.39 million[6]. Actual Sony shipments for the US stand at 8.17 million. Japan's shipments according to that site are 4.70M[7], while the actual numbers are 5.2 million.
  • Conversely, that site he gave ("VGCharts") as a reference isn't correct on the DS either (it gives total shipments worldwide at only 16.73 million)[8]. Of course he doesn't mention that at all in his edit. Instead he switches gears to an entirely DIFFERENT site for the DS numbers, in order to give Nintendo's system a much higher total of 20 million units.
  • Lastly, he completely omits European sales data altogether, leaving the number as a "?", despite the fact that it's a major part of worldwide sales.

I've reverted it. Ex-Nintendo Employee 01:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greatest Hits section

I added the greatest hits lineup. It's accurate and acceptable to my standards. Feel free to edit if neccasary or whenever it gets outdated.--Shamo0 06:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I think you deleted the List of PlayStation Portable games in the process.--Ideal4real 00:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I edited it and put up a whole list for ya.--Ideal4real 05:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Some idiot deleted the page. That took me a long time to make!--Ideal4real 15:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Just so you know, I didn't delete anything ^.^; I'm not saying you're blaming me but just incase anyone else thinks I did I didn't.Shamo0 18:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I know who did it. It was this guy named Crumbsucker.--Ideal4real 19:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I found it. Whew! that was a lot of backtracking. I thought I lost it forever. Crumbsucker, if you're gonna do that, then please, talk to us first. That list is helpful because not only does it detatch from the "Already cluttered" Sony list, it shows the prices in what region. So next time, do us all a favor and before you edit, talk to us OK?--Ideal4real 02:33, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh my GOD! He did it again! You know what? Since my contributions here on Wikipedia goes unnoticed, i'm not bringing it back anymore. I tried to settle this in a calm, respectful manner, but I just can't do it anymore. Y'all just gonna sit there and let that guy edit anything he wants, right? Fine, I won't contribute to anymore lists on the PSP. How 'bout that?--Ideal4real 03:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Original PSP Page

I refreshed it to how it was 1 week ago. I included the List of PlayStation Portable games and other things. Please leave it be, it's not hurting anyone, so let it stay.--Ideal4real 05:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Uhm... Why didn't you just take the List of PlayStation Portable games and put it into the article? Ex-Nintendo Employee 05:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I figured it should get it's own, you know, little space. If you think changing it will benefit it, the go ahead, be my guest. Ideal4real 18:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wireless networking

The "Wireless networking" section needs a lot of attending to. I removed a bit about the PSP supporting JavaScript because its Java support was uncertain, because the two are related only by name and are used in completely different situations, and I edited "Java Script" to Java. There's a lot of remaining "citation needed", too. --Spug 18:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] P!nk pack price

"the P!nk PSP Value Pack will cost €2290, or £1690"

Is this true?! Those prices are outrageous! Perhaps a zero needs to be knocked off the end? Xzamuel 19:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

No, that's completely inacurate. It will be a PSP Value Pack, retailing at £180, complete with normal Value pack extras, and the extra Pink UMD Video. Huds601 10:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverted

Someone spammed the page with Crickeys in honor of the late Steve Irwin. While it's a nice homage, it is blatant spam. I reverted it back to the one before it. Mahare 00:04, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Piracy Section

I have removed the Piracy section because there is piracy evident on EVERY major console, and yet none (aside from dreamcast) have sections on it. Additionally, the information was extremely out of date, only containing information relevent as of greater then a year ago. ZakuSage 17:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] UMD Movies

This section has nothing to do with umds, just how to convert files to play on the psp. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.154.173.50 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] "Nightmarishly Hard"

The criticism section makes reference to Wired referring to the PSP and getting MP3s onto it as "Nightmarishly Hard" -- yet on the page linked in the reference I can find no such quote -- it's possible the linked ref has changed since that text was added. Zero sharp 21:02, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

That's an overstatement whether it actually came from Wired or not- it is quite simple getting mp3s onto the PSP. A child could do it. John D'Adamo 22:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the quote. The link in the ref is now dead (which it wasn't before). If anyone wishes to contest my removal, plz. discuss it here -- I'm more than willing to be wrong. Zero sharp 05:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Specs

The tech specs needs some cleaning up to be done. Kind of like the one for the Nintendo DS. Spareus151 17:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

I feel http://pspupdates.qj.net should be added as an external link, as it seems to have accurate, up to date news regarding the PSP and Homebrew developments. Huds601 10:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Error on page

There is an error on the Units Sold in the info box, it is actually saying the number of units shipped. Either put the actual units sold in there or change the info box to units shipped, but even with the latter it wont be consistant with other hardware articles that list units sold JayKeaton 21:09, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Sony doesn't release "Units Sold", but rather units shipped. All other numbers are considered estimates at best, and are therefore unrelyable. This is consistant with PS1, PS2, and most probably PS3 in the future. - ZakuSage 03:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, for consoles as old as the ps2 and ps1 it seems reasonable, but for the PSP it seems a little questionable. I guess it's still a good indication of physically how many psps are in the world JayKeaton 05:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Section "Sales and competition"

I've removed the Sales and competition section, as it largely contains out of date information presented in a poor manner. Additionally, most of the information the section tries to get forth can essentially be found by just looking at the infoboxes for PSP and DS. - ZakuSage 00:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be put back in, but the information should be redone as it's now a bit outdated and badly organized. Arkhiver 08:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah it should go back, but have no PSPvsDS crap, like how the DS doesn't have PSPvsDS crap in it's S&C. Hijak 03:19, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Downloads

On the official site there are downloads for certain games (like soccer and Loco Roco). Are these downloads free? If they are, should this be incorporated into the article? Also, are the Firmware updates free?

The game demos are free, as are the firmware updates. Both are already included in the article. - ZakuSage 01:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism section

Since new user and anon editors whose contributions include going out of their way to include making sure a criticism section appears on PS3's article and that all anti-Wii material is removed from its article to the point of clear vandalism -insist- this be discussed, about a week ago I removed the criticism section because it takes a very deliberate POV of exaggerating flaws in the system, and includes a number of weasel words. Beyond that, encyclopedias are not the place for opinions, even if they are that of IGN or G4. Twice now I've reverted edits trying to bring this section back to the article. Before you do that, talk about it here. Additionally, I'd also like to point out that the articles Playstation 3, Xbox 360, Wii, Nintendo DS, Xbox, GameCube, Dreamcast, Playstation, and Nintendo 64 all lack "criticism" sections; why all the hate on PSP? - ZakuSage 17:20, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

POV's are irrelivent the fact is there are defects in the system if you were to actually read the article, Nintendo DS lite does in fact have a design problem section as does Game Boy Advance SP, Plus the sources are professional and directly criticise. The Criticism section has been on this page for over a year now, and it stayed there cause they were valid points and the pages were neatly cited, and acting alone you suddenly decide to take it out without consulting other editors, now that would be concidered an act of vandalism Dctcool 11:58 13 November (AEST)
The only reason the critism section has stayed in this article is because editors have been pussyfooting around removing it, and nobody had the balls to do so without having individuals complain and get into an annoying argument. Design flaws simply do not get added to an article unless they are major, widespread, and noteworthy. Note that there is a section on the DREs of PS2 in it's article, but there is no mention of the dead pixels in DS' article. As with any LCD set, some PSPs were shipped with dead pixels, however the amount was relatively small and seems to have all but vanished as a problem since. The square button issues were also only to be found in 0.5% of the initial 200,000 units in Japan, again a very small amount.
According to Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view, "It should also not be asserted that the most popular view or some sort of intermediate view among the different views is the correct one. Readers are left to form their own opinions." The following lines from G4, "It also declared that several of the features of the PlayStation Portable, such as mp3 playback, were weak offerings. Finally, it complained that the requirement of a larger memory stick to use the device's full capabilities was a large hidden cost." have to go for this reason alone, not to mention the weasel words. The same goes for the following line from IGN, "In March 2005, the Internet gaming site IGN cited battery life and load times as its primary criticisms of the PlayStation Portable." This line as well does not leave the reader with a sense that they have developed their own opinion on the matter.
The section is not only without merit, it is without prominent president withing game console articles. We also already have criticism integrated into the rest of the article, which Wikipedia:Criticism#Criticism_in_a_.22Criticism.22_section states as the preferred way to handle criticism. Can we come to a compromise of finding a way to integrate any outstanding criticism with merit to be integrated into the rest of the article, rather then be placed into the "troll magnet"? Such things I can think of would perhaps be creating battery life estimates into their own section, if someone else is willing to do the legwork. I will not be reverting the edit to recreate the section due to 3R, at the very least until tomorrow. - ZakuSage 03:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

How is it a not neutral point of view to say that criticism of the PSP exists? (especially since they are appropriately sourced as well). The section is only showing that there are people out there who criticise the psp and what reasons they give for it. No one is saying that these 'popular views' are the correct ones, just that they exist. The reader is still left to form their own opinion as to whether they agree with these criticisms or not.--58.169.30.238 09:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

As I said earlier, it takes a very deliberate POV of exaggerating flaws in the system, and includes a number of weasel words.. More importantly, as Jimbo Wells said: [...] it isn't that we should not include the criticisms, but that the information should be properly incorporated throughout the article rather than having a troll magnet section of random criticisms. - ZakuSage 16:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I have once again removed the section. Any future additions of criticisms should be kept in the relevant sections of the article, not in a specific section for criticisms, as well as kept to a NPOV. - ZakuSage 22:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

You still don't get it do you ZakuSage, The article elsewhere on the page does not give valid information on the battery life, when the article was first written, you can't just suddenly decide one day to just remove a section when it's been well maintained and kept within the Page for almost 9 months now, had they not provided proper sources and loose fancruft claims they would have been deleted ages ago, the fact is they exist, and you may not like it but thats just the way it is, In the end it's up to the reader to judge the machine, not an editor trying to hide details Dctcool 14:10 14 November (AEST)
"It's stayed for X amount of time so we can't remove it" is a weak argument and holds no water on Wikipedia. By that argument, we shouldn't delete spam links that have stayed for a few months because nobody had noticed them in that time. Articles may be changed at any time and nobody has to justify making a change for any reason but content. Additionally, just because something is verifiable doesn't automatically mean its worthy of inclusion here. Verifiability (or lack thereof) is a good reason to remove content; it isn't in itself a reason to add it. You'll need to come up with different arguments than those. This isn't about hiding details, it's about trying to create a balanced article rather than having a section specifically set off for pointing out flaws some people perceive. ZakuSage is right, any major criticisms should be integrated into the text, not stuck into their own section. -- mattb @ 2006-11-14T04:28Z
If you have a problem with there not being hard numbers on PSP's battery life being included in the article, then I strongly encourage you to add such a thing. However, what you seem to have a problem with is the fact that there is no section reading "criticism" in the article. It's as if you have an abnormal grudge against the system, and you are intent on re-adding not only a useless section, but one that contains deliberately POV information. You went out of your way to dig through nearly a week of fairly heavy edits (albeit most of it vandalism, there's something wrong with gamers who can't live and let live) to bring this section back. - ZakuSage 07:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I added it. --Plankton5005 07:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I've altered the addition to be more NPOV. Try to avoid comparisons to DS. - ZakuSage 19:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Why not compare it to the competition? That's fair. Are you going to take out every other mention of the DS? I used no weaselwords and I presented only the facts. To be honest your facts are misleading and vague. Mine were very neutral. Also you were saying that someone should add the battery info after finding hard numbers, I do it and you find nonexistent problems with it.(and don't steal my references.)-Plankton5005 04:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
You don't see the Nissan Sentra article making comparisons to the Chevrolet Malibu, making comparisons like that just incites trolling. Also, this is a collaborative encyclopedia, there is no "stealing" references.
The cars have more competition than just one, the PSP's only competition is the DS. It's fair, and yours downplays it and doesn't really say anything. --Plankton5005 23:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PSP Units sold

The PSP units sold stands around, 5 million. This 17 million units shipped is misleading.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.159.154.0 (talk • contribs) .

What? source? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.47.116.249 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] PSP MUST redirect to PlayStation Portable

PlayStation Portable is the 572nd most popular page on Wikipedia.[9] (PlayStation 2 is #518, PlayStation 3 is #11, PlayStation is #314, List of PlayStation 3 games is #727) Nothing else on the PSP disambig page is on the top 1000. People looking for PSP are looking for PlayStation Portable, nothing else. Stop the madness! PSP must redirect to PlayStation Portable. Johnsonsjohnson 11:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User RunedChozo reverts

RunedChozo has been consistently reverting my edits for a few days now. These edits are in an effort to improve this article, not to destroy it. These reverts in purely vindictive. I will be asking for a 3RR blocking if it continues. - ZakuSage 16:07, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Examples of such reverts can be seen in the following: [10] [11] [12] [13] - ZakuSage 16:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

If you want to make changes, discuss them first, and stop damaging this page. RunedChozo 16:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Labeling productive edits as damaging is not a valid excuse to justify a revert war. RunedChozo needs to explain what he takes issue with rather than blanket reverting. -- mattb @ 2006-11-16T16:13Z
I take issue with section blanking, with removal of information because Zakusage doesn't like it, with the attempt to POV the article to say that the only downloadable movies for the system are "free" demos and "pirated" when there are a large number of sold PSP-compatible videos on the net too... Zakusage needs to explain why he feels the need to gut the article. RunedChozo 16:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Your claims of section blanking aren't valid. Information that has been removed from sections were summarized or moved to other areas as seen here and here. - ZakuSage 05:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Okay, those are valid concerns. However, I'm inclined to agree with ZakuSage's edits. What you see as section blanking is really removal of laundry lists, which are only a detriment to any article. The information removed was either trivial or covered in list articles. What's more, if you only take issue with parts of ZakuSage's edits, that's no excuse to revert all of what he's done. He did a lot of stylistic and flow improvements as well as the removal of the laundry lists. Any way, my vote is to keep ZakuSage's version, not the version with the pointless lists. -- mattb @ 2006-11-16T16:24Z
I am going in and re-adding the items I agree with. If he wants something else changed, he can come in and discuss it. I am especially peeved about his "we should only write for latest firmwares" nonsense. RunedChozo 16:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
The parts you 'agree with'? sounds like you're the one POVing the article. --Thaddius 17:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Not only that, the parts he doesn't agrees with are every single one of the edits I've made over the past few days (admittedly, excusing the work I've done on to fix the demo section), including my edits to the extremely POV and poorly written "Controversial Ad campaign" section on the white PSP ads. This has nothing to do with the content of the edits, he's just out for some kind of sick revenge. Stop the madness! - ZakuSage 20:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I do not want this to turn in an edit war and get this article protected because of this, as I believe this and all articles are best to be open to edits by users rather then locked down (the spirit behind Wikipedia). Let's work together to try and determine exactly how we think this article should look. Now, all of the edits you've been reverting are available here. Before you continue to revert these, please explain which you think should be changed, as they're all in the spirit of making a better article. Remember, we should not try to make this article overly technical as it becomes very confusing to readers not "in the know" of the PSP community. Firmware versions is one of those things that is confusing, and tedious. If we were to mention all the features were brought about by all the firmwares the article would either be a mess, or contain a bulky list of mostly irrelevant information. - ZakuSage 20:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, try not to add to the homebrew section, and to keep such edits to the article PlayStation Portable homebrew. - ZakuSage 20:52, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong Photo

The photo at the top of the article is NOT a Sony PSP. Aleister93 16:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

And for 21 minutes no less... - ZakuSage 22:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Name

Shouldn't the title of the article be "PSP" rather than "PlayStation Portable"? The "IBM" article isn't titled "International Business Machines", I don't see why this should be titled "PlayStation Portable", especially when it is not referred to under that title. I mean, the words "PlayStation Portable" aren't even present on the console itself. I think the title of the article should be changed to "PSP". --Psa- 20:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

You have a point, nor are the words present on the console's box or Quick Reference Guide (not sure about the phonebook of a manual), at least in North America. However, in Europe it does appear on the box and in advertising, and on firmwares 2.XX+ it does whenever you launch a game or application. Precident at least shows that PS2's article title is PlayStation 2, and not PS2, same with PS3. - ZakuSage 22:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] As PS3 controller?

I remember rumors that the PSP could be used as a PS3 controller, for such things as discreet play selection in Madden, rearview mirror in driving games, etc. Do any current PS3 games ship with this enabled? LeoO3 23:16, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I am not too sure but I head that with the release of the Ps3 it will allow you to download ps1 games and upload them to the PSP. Whether they are free to download or not I am not sure on that yet. Lord of nothing 09:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Firmware version 3.00 is out

I just installed it on my PSP, it's been out since last night I think, some confirmations: http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=41887 and the manual: http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=41780 , http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=41843


Yea, and someone needs to update the features added in fw 3.00.


And now fw 3.01 is out, anyone care to edit the article 'cause I'm a little short on spare time

[edit] why has someone deleted more info on PSP 3.0?

i started add info now its gone!

First, please sign your posts using four tildes (these: ~). Second, the article in the past has been over-run by listing firmware features, and they have been briefly summarized (the most notable ones) in the firmware section. - ZakuSage 20:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PMF2AVI & AT32MP3

does anyone knows where i can find a PMF to AVI converter please? same for an AT3 to MP3 (or just a Windows based AT3 player)? thank you. Wikiprout 02:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject, as it says at the top of this page. You also might want to try adding posts to the talk page by using the + next to "edit this page" rather then editing the previous entry in the talk page (it's deceptive to people going through the history). - ZakuSage 16:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A question

Is the PSP region free? GrimRepr39 01:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

It should be mentioned in the article. I believe that the games are region free but the UMD movies are not. --Thaddius 18:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3.02 firmware

Somebody has put that the 3.02 firmware is out. Although this is not true.I have changed it to 3.01 as it currently is now.If it changes then somebody will have to change it to the newer firmware --Aaronsingh 17:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I have a PSP, and when I go to network update, it downloads 3.02. Check Kotaku.com. I'm changing it back to 3.02 becuase I think turning a PSP on and seeing 3.02 is proof enough. Cmsjustin 18:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Also if you need a citation, theres an article on pspfanboy.com today about it. I saw it through my RSS reader, but I can't get a link right now because my company blocks gaming sites. Cmsjustin 18:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Whoops I'm sorry I've just seen it now .sorry I didn't know but hey everyone makes mistakes.--Aaronsingh 19:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] someone just vandalized it!

Changed almost everything —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.75.35.115 (talk) 22:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Yeah, I know, some son of a mother vandalized the page, please someone fix it soon. God, I was just looking for some freaking info.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.197.176.136 (talk • contribs) 00:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

By the way, Wikimedia, I will help clean up with the PSP info because I now own one and have for a whole year. I know all it's bells and whistles so I will also give some extra info. Bye. Peace! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.197.176.136 (talk • contribs) 00:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The comment and the jpeg abotu the Wii is completely inappropriate. I was doing research on getting a PSP for my son who is 10 and thankfully he was not in the room at the moment the page came up. I will delete the comment on the jpeg and the picture if someone tells me how.

[edit] External Links - PSPupdates.qj.net

I have added http://pspupdates.qj.net PSP at PSPUpdates.com to the external links page as it is the largest PSP site going with news on homebrew, hacking, games and just about everything to do with the PSP. It simply has to be there for the external links page to be complete.

[edit] How do you

How do you get someone else's game save data on to your PSP? Please Help!Sam ov the blue sand 01:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controversial Advertising - Discussion

Specifically, why the sentence:

"Once the corporate origins of the site were discovered angry posters rebuked Sony, it's corporate culture, and how they felt at being so blatently manipulated."

has been flagged as NPOV. I realise this sentence needs referencing, and i am happy to as sson as someone shows me how! This sentence is NOT my POV. it is an accurate reflection of over 500 posts using those exact words in the comments section of the site in question. Happy to discuss.

```` —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.152.220.172 (talk) 00:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC).

Weasel words, blatant slant for starters. It's also quite unnecessary to the information at hand. Look at the article Hitler; it does not say "he is a very evil man" despite what popular opinion may be. Wikipedia is not a place for opinions. - ZakuSage 00:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I get the feeling you've misunderstood. It is NOT MY OPINION OF SONY. 'Angry posters' and their opinions can be verified and is simply being stated as what they have written. I realise you like the PSP. You still haven't told me how this statement, which would be appropriate in a peer reviewed journal article, is NPOV. ```` —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.152.220.172 (talk) 00:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC).

It doesn't matter if it's your opinion or not; it is still an opinion taking a POV and contains a number of weasel words as I have already outlined. Wikipedia is supposed to leave the reader to form their own opinions, not to force them on the reader. -

ZakuSage 02:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


It is not 'taking' a point of view at all. However, i've edited for 'percieved POV', and i'd still like to know how to reference the sentence.

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