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Price

unreal Hi. I edited the page a bit, you have written a very good article. I changed the pricing details, as a strong source has revealed it wil cost $200 on release, but may rise to not more than $250, however, not as low as $150 as was stated in the original version of the article (The DS will cost $150). The release date is also set to be March 2005, so I added that. I also added a PSP forum at psp-forum.com, which contains all the latest PSP news as it comes.

SockatumeReally scary news regarding that- Gamespot had a news page up (briefly) which claimed it had a confirmed price of $350. It's taken down now which hopefully means it was totally inaccurate and definately won't be the real price at all. I hope. :/

AP article in the Sunday newspaper 9-26 - Ken Kutaragi (chief executive of Sony Computer Entertainment) refused to give a price for the PSP saying he wants to first gauge reaction at the Tokyo Game Show. ... Kazuya Yamamoto, analyst with UFJ Tsubasa Securities Co in Tokyo added that retailers expect a price of about 30,000 yen ($271), which may be a trifle steep. Petersam 04:00, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Here's a link http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/gear/entertainment/2004-09-24-psport_x.htm Petersam 04:27, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I feel this user is full of it, he has no source the price will be $200-250, Sony has said it will be LESS than $200. PSPs japanese price is the same as the japanese PS2 price which costs $150 usd.

cold wolf: We should probably edit it to say the price is unknown, because it has yet to be confirmed. However, converting the price in Japan would put it at lower than USD 200, so that should be noted. Also, the official release date is not known either, other than it'll be released sometime in March. I would have put all this in, but it's locked. Dammit.

Hey, the price in Australia is now going to be $399.95. You can see this change reflected on the Australian site: http://au.playstation.com/psp/index.jhtml

Screens

Armaced Sep 14, 2004: I was wondering about the statement "PSPs screen is larger than both DS's combined". I did some checking, but am not confident enough in my numbers yet to correct the article. My understanding is that the PSP will have one 16x9 screen that measures 4.3 inches diagonally, while the Nintendo DS will have two 4x3 screens that each measure 3 inches diagonally. Brushing off my old geometry, I get the Sony screen coming in at 7.9 square inches, and the Nintendo screens weighing in at 4.32 square inches each, for a total of 8.64 square inches - bigger than the Sony PSP.

More details - Nintendo Screens are each 2.4 inches wide and 1.8 inches tall. Sony's screen is about 3.74777481 inches wide by 2.10812333 inches tall.

Can anyone find a fault in my math, or should we remove that statement?


Moot point, I removed all DS-related stuff anyway.

Sockatume 16:42, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Good call. Armaced 00:43, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

PSP 480 x 272 x 1 (16.77 million colors/24 bit) 130,560 pixels DS 256 x 192 x 2 (262,144 colors/18 bit) 98,304 pixels 130,560 > 98,304

ThePhiphler Sorry, but those pixel counts are misleading. Pixels and screen sizr is NOT the same thing. Basically, the PSP has more pixels, but a smaller screen, compared to the DS.

..linked to the more specific TFT LCD article. The TFT article itself is cool, but it's better to link to the specific combined article rather than TFT and LCD as seperate links (the combined article links to both so this works out for the best). There's another reference to LCD that's not linked nor says TFT, I left it as-is, guess it's a matter of taste there to link or not, but should it say TFT? --Drakcap 04:13, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

It should be fine, in fact it probably doesn't even need the "LCD" bit as the article's already mentioned the type of display used. I'll make a little edit for that.Sockatume 04:24, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
good call --Drakcap 04:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Disk access

I sat and figured this out for a forum, and decided I've put in too much effort not to repost it somewhere, so...

It'd be naive to assume that the movie battery life reflects the "absolute minimum" we can expect for the PSP's battery life; to do so would assume the disk was being accessed constantly during the test. That's not necessarily the case:

Right, I've sat down and calculated it, and if Sony were running a single-layer UMD movie there, the disk was accessing around 9% of the play time.

If it was a dual-layer movie UMD, the disk was being accessed around 18% of the play time.

Both of these assume that the full 32MB of memory was being used to cache movie data, that it was loading a full 32MB every time the cache emptied (i.e. the disk was only running each time the cache emptied), and that the UMD was transferring at the full quoted 11Mbps rate. Also, I assumed that it was a 120-minute movie.

Now, if the UMD drive was running less than the optimal level, they would've been accessing the disk for longer.

If, on the other hand, they were using a more than 2 hour movie UMD, then they would've been accessing the disk less often.

I say this as it should give some sort of indication as to how much disk access the PSP can get away with while still meeting the 4 hour minimum battery life estimate.

My working and extra factioids:

900MB/32MB = ~29

A 900MB single-layer UMD, being cached into 32MB segments, would require ~29 segments.

120 min/29 = ~4 min

The drive is being accessed to copy 32MB every four minutes.

32MB/4 min = 8MB/min; 8MB of data is being transferred every minute, on average.

11Mbs^-1/8 Bb^-1 = 1.375MBs^-1

That's the drive access rate converted to MB.

8MB/1.375MBs^-1 = 5.82s

That is, it takes 5.28s to transfer that 8MB.

5.82s x 100%/60s = 8.8%

That is, that 5.82s accounts for 8.8% of the play time each minute, on average.

To get the figures for a 1.8GB (1800MB) dual-layered UMD, just double the starting memory value; this comes out at around 18%.

Sockatume 17:23, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Linux

Does it run GNU/Linux? G-u-a-k-@ 12:48, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I dont think there will ever be a linux for psp , the psp has no keyboard and not enough ram.

It's only been on sale for about a day, give the modders some time. ;) With the flashable firmware, I'd say it's a possibility in future. Sockatume 14:17, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

is the linux developement dead??? is there a fork of the main project???

1-333?

The 1-333 speed for the CPU is very ambigous - does it mean 1 to 333Mhz, or 1.333Mhz (hah!), or 1,333Mhz (which could be painfully hot). Should replace the '-' with a 'to' if its the first case. Kiand 19:10, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'll change it to "to", it's listed as 1-333MHz in the spec sheet but according to pretty much everywhere it's "up to 333MHz". Sockatume 22:18, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

1-333MHz means one 333Mhz processors, the psp has multiple processors

ThePhiphler; wrong answer. The PSP has 1 processor, with 2 cores. This sounds confusing, but its not two 333Mhz processors. Its one multicore 333Mhz processor.

The 1-333 MHz refers to the PSP's ability to find the optimal processing speed to maximize battery life. A simple game such as Lumines would use less than 200 MHz of processing power, thus increasing the battery life, while a game that's graphically intensive, such as Ridge Racer, might use 300 MHz. So the PSP has the ability to throttle it's CPU speed depending on the application it's asked to run. So far, most developers said that the current magic number for the PSP is 222 MHz. --66.125.93.210 14:50, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Is there a solid source on the 222 mhz cap? Right now, it seems like rumor. A Man In Black 00:57, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

http://handhelds.engadget.com/entry/1234000817040352/ Jason Yuy 07:51, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

More sources for the skeptical: http://consoul.blogspot.com/2005/04/unlocking-psps-future.html Jason Yuy 09:18, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Unprotect

Some one need to temporaly unprotect this, as their is vandalism being protected. --Boothy443 03:30, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Yup look at the Operating system section
Got rid of it, but I'm not unprotecting the page at this point. It's way too soon. I'll let someone who's more familar with these types of situations handle it at the appropriate time. RedWordSmith 03:51, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

Isn't everybody suposed to be able to edit? Unlock it!!!!

great image

http://www.tokyopia.com/deluxe/pspwned.jpg

Ahem, currently, its quite the opposite, since the PSP hasnt even launched yet in the US.

Indeed, while many are very impressed with their imported PSPs, Sony still have to get the things on sale before they'll be able to actually compete with the DS. Talk of 1M units per month from April onwards bodes well, but they're taking their time about it, especially considering the vast sales of their competitor. Sockatume 00:15, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/Supremejin/a46c.jpg

EBGames

I was just on ebgames web site looking at the PSP bundle when I noticed the following text:

Due to the size and weight of this item, an additional shipping and handling charge of $5.00 will be added to your order.

Ha! It's meant to fit in your pocket. I know, I know.... I just thought it was funny. Armaced 23:23, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Logical Spock-esque unasked-for explaination: they probably put a flat packaging charge on all "console" sales, including handhelds. Which would be silly but not outside the realms of possiblity Sockatume 23:34, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Makes sense. Thanks, Spockatume.  :) -Armaced 23:36, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup

Edited and saved to remove phrase "THIS REALLY SUCKS!!!!" from Japanese Launch section.

Requested move

PlayStation Portable → PSP – RARELY is the acronym PSP used for ANYTHING other than the PlayStation Portable — Nick Catalano 23:35, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Object. Nickname, and PSP also regularly means Paint Shop Pro, down to its native file format using .psp extensions. Kiand 23:45, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Response. Yes, but rarely. People come to the PSP page expecting discussion about the Playstation Portable. If they think of something else, there is always PSP (disambiguation) Nick Catalano 23:48, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • So redirect. DO NOT move - it has not, and never will be, called the PSP - thats always going to be an acronym. Kiand 00:50, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Definitely object, as above. -Sean Curtin 00:03, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
  • Object - the disambiguation page is easy enough to understand for a first time user looking for the Sony device. Also, after the redirect, I like that Playstation Portable is spelled out at the top of the page. -Armaced 20:15, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The general consensus seems to be to use the name not the acronym in computer-related article titles. See Talk:File Transfer Protocol#Requested move for a simular recent discussion. Jonathunder 20:28, 2005 Apr 7 (UTC)
  • Object. I agree with Kiand; up until a few weeks ago, the top Google result for "PSP" was to Jasc Software, Inc., the creators of Paint Shop Pro --Markyen 22:48, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
  • Object. Paint Shop Pro is still quite popular. A Man In Black 18:58, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Object. Sockatume 01:15, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Object. Popular nickname for Playstation 2 is PS2, even in official capacity, but that is not its name either. Terrapin 09:51, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Object, PSP, Paint Shop Pro from Jasc software are popular too. --Mateusc 17:26, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. violet/riga (t) 12:52, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

PSPMAX links

Could the anonymous user who keeps linking PSPMAX please justify doing so? It doesn't seem to be a site of any importance. A Man In Black 06:45, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fails Wikipedia:Alexa test. Until this anon user gives a good reason why this link should stay on the article, the link should be reverted on site. Wikipedia is frequently vandalised as a method of Pagerank spam. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 20:07, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
Has anyone ever visited the site? It's just a forum, and a poorly engineered one at that; it's just a continuous list of topics. This would be a problem if there were more than 40 on the entire thing. Definately non-notable. Sockatume 17:08, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

PSP UMD format cracked. ISOs it's on the P2P networks

[1] Bad or good news?

Possibly bad news for Sony, although the caddies and the unusual "centre" bits for the disks will go some way to slowing piracy. Good news for third parties seeking to make things like cheat disks or, say, a disk with a multimedia suite on it (so that you can play more movie/audio formats). It could also mean people work on a PSP emulator and unofficial dev kits, although the exotic hardware could slow that. Sockatume 22:13, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Crystal ball speculation

I took the hatchet to some of the speculation and predicted homebrew stuff. Please, please, this is not the place for baseless speculation about future features.

Likewise, if Sony doesn't confirm some of these odder speculation bits at this year's E3, I'm going at least confine the speculation to its own section, if not eliminate it. In particular I'm thinking of the Sony Connect downloadable music speculation and the leaked firmware speculation.

Does anyone have any objections to this? A Man In Black 04:28, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

No objections here. The Sony Connect stuff isn't exactly speculation, as Sony have properly announced that PSP stuff's on the way (game demos, etc. etc.). Leaked firmware's no longer notable IMO simply because it included things like a spreadsheet which throw doubt on all the other "features" is listed. The hacking stuff was too general for the article, but maybe a generalised version of it could be made into an "Amateur games console development" article? Sockatume 15:28, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
Done. Gone is the Sony Connect stuff, the wifi TV speculation, and the "leaked" firmware that never went anywhere. A Man In Black 00:01, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

UMD Movies

An anon contributor added a section on movies. I think that this was a good move (they are one of the main selling points, and previously it had only been mentioned under "media") but the implementation was messy. Moved the list of available movies to List of PlayStation Portable movies and linked to at the bottom of the page. Lots of tidying up of Media sections will probably need to be done in order to remove repetition... I'll try as much as possible. - Estel (talk). 11:52, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

I've done a quick rearrange and copyedit there should improve things a shade. Sockatume 15:08, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

American ad campaign

The ad for the American PSP contained the song "Take me out" by the band Franz Ferdinand, should we mention notable ad campaigns in this article? --SuperDude 02:09, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

External Links

Should we clean up in this mess and start removing links? Havok 21:58, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes. We should. And by "we," I mean that I'll do that right now. A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 15:27, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Proposed Move Redux

Why did you rename it? The official name for the product is NOT the "Playstation Portable", it is the PSP. [2].

Moving back. Please do not cause a war over this.Enviroknot 05:18, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Check above, this has been debated before. PlayStation Portable is used in both official and common usage. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 05:35, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree that the page name should be PSP, that's the official name of the product. The only place it's in "common usage" is in old literature on the product from back in 2003.

Accuracy is important when you're making an encyclopedia. Nobody pushes to have the Gamecube page still named "Nintendo Dolphin", so this one ought to move.

Also, keep the text changes, please. The version A Man In Black reverted to looks like it was written by a script kiddie or a third grader.66.213.144.58 05:37, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sony's last PSP-related press release [3] begs to differ. And yes, clean up grammar, by all means, but why the verbal abuse? - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 06:00, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Umm, the machine is called Playstation Portable, or PSP for short. Just as much as the Playstation is called PS for short, and the Playstation 2 is called PS2. Both are right, so keeping Playstation Portable is just as right. And please don't do major changes like move an entire article without discussing it with everyone who is working on it. And abusive words and slander will only get you so far. Havok 06:07, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It's definitely Playstation Portable, shortened to PSP: http://www.us.playstation.com/psp.aspx has it as PSP (PlayStation Portable)

I'm convinced that PSP is the official name. For example, the words "PlayStation Portable" are not mentioned even once on the box the handheld comes in, in the official manual, nor on the boxes and manuals for the software sold for it as far as I have seen. In fact, that link to the US PlayStation website is the only official place I've seen it referred to as such, but notice it is the one in parenthesis there and not vice versa. In this sense, it cannot be compared to the abbreviation or acronym uses of any of the previous PlayStation products. Nevertheless, I don't much care whether the article is moved since it seems fine here, but I just thought I'd let this be known anyway. --Kamasutra 19:35, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

For what its worth, the words "PlayStation Portable" are on the boxes being displayed in stores in Ireland from today (albeit in rather small size!), and presumably thus also in the UK. This might be just a European thing though. "PlayStation Portable" now also appears at yourpsp.com . --Rdd 16:38, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Subtle POV towards PSP in both this and the DS article

Problems

  • Complete lack of reference to Nintendo DS in PSP article (compare to the references to PSP in DS article).
  • Lack of comparison picture psp_and_ds.jpg in PSP article.
  • No mention in overview of PSP article of supposed "competition" between DS and PSP.
  • No linked words in PSP article to DS, as opposed to great amount in the DS article.

Immediate action taken

  • Inserted mirror paragraph in the PSP article of mention of PSP in DS article overview.
  • Added NPOV tags to DS and PSP articles.

Possible solution 1

  • Delete all references to PSP in DS article, and revert PSP article to before I added DS mentions overview.
  • Change DS comparison picture to a GBA/DS picture
  • Remove (bottom of page) links to PSP and DS in both articles.

Possible solution 2

  • Mirror every mention of PSP in DS article with DS in the PSP article and ensure that any edits relevant to this issue on both articles are replicated.
  • Include comparison picture psp_and_ds.jpg in PSP article.

Possible solution 3

  • Include section in both articles/seperate article on supposed "competition", include psp_and_ds.jpg there, and perhaps some sales comparisons.
  • Delete all references outside of these sections/page, treat all edits that try to defy this as vandalism and revert.

--Trip: The Light Fantastic 11:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Deleting all refrence that looks like "PSP ownz y0" would be a good solution. Ex. in the intro paragraph this is written:
"Sony is currently competing against Nintendo with their Nintendo DS, although representatives from both companies have denied this, stating that each system targets a different audience. The Nintendo DS is currently the leader of the two in total unit sales."
I feel this has no place in this article, it's even stated in the text that they have denied it, so it's not fact. But yeah, removing all reference that might be construded as "speculation" and "fanboyism" from both the DS and PSP article is a good idea. Havok 12:36, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
True, but that passage was copied from the DS article by me. It's supposed to be a temporary fix to balance the articles out. (the same passage has been present on the DS article for quite some time now). The big question is:
Is it useful and informative to mention rivalry between the DS and PSP, and if so, how should it be presented? --Trip: The Light Fantastic 12:49, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Yes to the first question, but it's the second one that's kinda killer. I mean, it's pretty obvious there's a competition; both companies MIGHT deny it, but everybody else sure thinks so. As for presentation, just try not to side with either one and stick to the facts. That's pretty much how it is right now, even if it needs more DS links or not. --Shadow Hog 17:13, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
I support "Possible solution 1" and the removal of that paragraph. The paragraph has already been vandalised in this article and it is going to continue to be a target by Sony/Nintendo fanboys. It doesn't add anything why the PSP is "notable." --Krystyn Dominik 06:04, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

I would actually like the articles to stay neutral. So no mention of any rivalry, no comparison chart nothing. Comparing the two is like comparing Chocolat and Ham Sandwhich anyway. Havok 07:59, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

"The paragraph has already been vandalised in this article and it is going to continue to be a target by Sony/Nintendo fanboys."
True, but the information vandalised, as noted in the edit note, is true. Should we not include information just because of the chance it could be vandalised? Is that not simply bowing to pressure? But also, the information is technically not relevant to the PSP nor DS article. So why has it gone unnoticed on the DS article for some time? Answer: it is in favour of the Nintendo fanboys. I believe there is no quick-fix solution to this issue, as with many on Wikipedia. Trip: The Light Fantastic 09:58, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Well we can remove the "X console is in the lead" sentence, since I'm honestly unsure which really IS in the lead, though if somebody can find a valid source and cite it in that sentence then I see no reason why we can't keep it. However, it should be mentioned that there is a rivalry. That's what the home consoles do, and I see no reason why they shouldn't - it's fact. --Shadow Hog 16:12, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
The PSP has sold 3 million units, and the DS has sold 6 million. The sentence stays.
Who has sold the most has nothing to do with this article. The article is about each machine, not which of them have sold the most or who's the strongest etc. This is not a pissing contenst. Havok 01:16, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Except the thing IS a pissing contest in reality, and even if we're trying to keep it neutral, you HAVE to mention the rivalry. You really can't get around it. --Shadow Hog 01:37, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Much better. The paragraph you've made is much better then the one I removed. Good job. Havok 01:51, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Excellent. The paragraph is very neutral. Problem solved. I think. Trip: The Light Fantastic 13:35, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

KXploit

There should be a mention of kxploit, the swapless v1.50 firmware unsigned binary execution method. Probably in the same paragraph as the swaploit.

Logos

If anyone disagrees with the current logo on the article please feel free to use the other one below:

Image:Sony PSP (logo).gif Image:Sony PSP (logo).jpg • Thorpe • 10:40, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

I never saw his PSP-gradient blue, seems like the PS2 logo just adapted. I will make changes and place the black logo now. Thanks for the proposal. --Mateusc 03:24, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Comparison of Handheld gaming consoles

I have created Comparison of Handheld gaming consoles, please feel free to add and correct. Havok 11:37, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Korean launch

Where's the info on the Korean launch!?

In the opening paragraph. If you'd like to give it its own subsection in Launches, then be my guest. We could certainly do with price and availability information. Sockatume 18:56, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Article getting a bit big

Is it getting about time to split off the launch info or the homebrew section off into separate articles? The article is starting to get a bit unwieldy. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 01:51, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I think an article dedicated to PSP homebrew would be excellent. It can be a vast article, considering all the things you can do with the PSP, and that number increases daily. Xizer 08:54, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I created PlayStation Portable Homebrewing, feel free to add and rewrite. The PlayStation Portable article should now be smaller. Havok 21:52, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Edits

I would just like to remind people that this is a place for fact, not opinion.

I don't think you have to tell us. The people who "vandalize" the article never read the discussion page anyway. Havok 10:18, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, we'll never get rid of vandals of the real world and virtual world. Good point made there. • Thorpe • 10:53, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Pictures

Stop adding pictures to the article, use the gallery at the bottom. Havok 13:30, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

  • I just want to add that an anonymous contributor deleted a picture of the original Memory Stick on the gallery section but later was reverted, yesterday. I think the anonymous contributor was right to deleted it from this article. (I'm not the person) The Sony PSP only uses officially a Memory Stick Duo which is different from the original Memory Stick in size. The picture being display in the Sony PSP article clearly is a Memory Stick wider than a Duo. --J. Nguyen 16:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Agreed. I've uploaded a picture I took of the Memory Stick Duo that came with my PSP. I shall link that to the gallery. Glenn W 04:06, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Bullsh*t

Japanese releases have been somewhat more eclectic, and include UMD/DVD combination packs [2] and pornography.porn on psp, sony wouldn't do that.

Thank you Mr. Anonymous, or 60.226.17.60, but porn is going to be released on the PSP, at least in Japan. True, Sony wouldn't do it, but it's not Sony that's releasing it. It's a third party company. Sony is allowing it on the PSP because they want the UMD format to be successful. I'd take the time to link you to an article if I weren't so lazy - and didn't feel that it wasn't worth the trouble since you are clearly not very intelligent. Xizer 09:47, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
I wrote that myself, and it's not bullshit. I pondered linking the production company, but all the official links were in Japanese and I didn't feel like advertising pornography, so I decided not to. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 11:04, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
I read an article a while back regarding this subject. This article was one of the first to report it and this is their followup. It's just further proof that the handheld is just as much for adults as it can be for children. Sony, of course, doesn't publicly approve of pornography being released on its handheld, but certainly doesn't want to limit its audience either. --Kamasutra 19:33, July 29, 2005 (UTC)


Wow guys you didn't have to be mean, I thought some spammer wrote it, and how could you find out someone's ip address?

Anyone can do it. Click History at the top of the page and you'll see a list of edits from users and I.P. addresses - including you. • Thorpe • 07:15, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Thorpe Sultn 07:24, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

PSP Web Browser released

Here is a link to IGN's PSP Web Browser FAQ and User's Guide. I'm posting it here cause I saw this

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which is on some of the other video game console pages. -Hyad 01:31, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Layout

Can anyone sort of fiddle around with the layout because I don't like the way the logo and PSP images are positioned (mainly the top part of the article)? • Thorpe • 22:50, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Burnout Legends

How can Burnout Legends be in the European launch games when it comes out September 16 according to Amazon [4]? Thorpe talk 11:46, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Maybe it's coming out early in Europe? Also, Amazon isn't always right. Hosterweis (talk) 02:08, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
No, it didn't actually come out on launch day, it comes out on September 16th (Jamandell (d69) 21:32, 4 September 2005 (UTC))

V 2.00

When is it coming out? It should have been out by now. Anybody know when it is coming out?

Uhh. It's been out. For weeks. 212.0.138.91 19:57, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
I'm sure he means the North American one, in which case it was supposed to be released today. The day isn't over yet, so I guess that could still happen since I don't see it on the site yet. --Kamasutra 21:02, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I meant the North American update. It is August 13th now and still no update. I'm getting very annoyed with SCEA.

Thanks to however posted the August 15th release date.

So much for being released August 15th. I called SCEA and they said it would be released August 15th. We all see how correct they were.

Just called SCEA. I was told it would come out the WEEK of 8/15 not specifically the day. (8/17/05)

"Week of 8/15" has come and gone. It is now "week of 8/22"--still no U.S. 2.00 firmware. Anyone able to find any news announcement(s) about it? Glenn W 09:06, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
  • US version is out now. But I was unable to perform an update over the Japanese 2.00 firmware I installed. Instead, I get a message stating that I already have 2.00, and that there is no need to run the update. So I guess the part about, "American PSP users who updated their PSP's to the Japanese 2.0 firmware would be able to update to the U.S version of 2.0" isn't really true--need other people to confirm this, just to be sure. I suspect we should still be able to update to newer versions of the US firmware when they are released in the future. --Glenn W 10:58, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
That was already expected to be true. Mainly, because there really is no difference between the two firmwares and both identify themselves as 2.00, so when you try to upgrade it would already detect 2.00 being on there. Sony seems to want to keep the version numbers universal, which they've already displayed earlier with the US PSP launching with 1.50. Whoever told you that it would be possible obviously didn't know what they were talking about. --Kamasutra 17:46, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
My quoted reference is what's written in the "Firmware" section. --Glenn W 18:51, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Merge PlayStation Portable Homebrewing into PlayStation Portable

I really don't think PlayStation Portable Homebrewing deserves its own article; the homebrew communities for the Xbox and PS2 were just as large. Discuss. Hosterweis (talk) 01:52, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Against - There is a reason it was split. The PlayStation Portable article got to big. Also, many people spammed the article with useless information and links to different homebrew sites. The PlayStation Portable Homebrewing article was also created to counter that. Read further up on this talk page for more information. Havok 09:40, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
The whole "the article was getting too big" excuse is kinda wearing out with me. There are articles (such as Prophets of Islam and Naruto characters) that are considerably longer than PlayStation Portable. Hosterweis (talk) 15:30, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
Those are both lists. Not quite the same thing.
Homebrew was taking over the PSP article. People would add references to the latest hack or their site all over the place, and, as a technically closed platform, it became necessary to separate the intended uses of the PSP from the homebrew ones. It wasn't just a matter of the article being too big; the subject of homebrew is constantly developing and was being added to the article in a haphazard, distruptive way.
Having the articles split encourages a more orderly and useful description of what's going on in homebrew, without obscuring the other, primary uses of the PSP. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 15:44, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
Both me and A Man In Black have said why it should not be merged by giving you facts. All you have is "I really don't think it deservs its own article". Please give us a reason for merging it, does it bother you that much that it has it's own article? Havok (talk) 15:50, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
It was fine the way it was before. The PSP homebrew scene isn't significant enough to warrant its own article; barely enough so to warrant a section on the PSP article. Hosterweis (talk) (contribs) 16:33, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
I and many others who have contributed to this article feel that it does. So I guess we'll keep it until the homebrew scene for PSP slows down or dies out. Havok (talk) (contribs) 16:38, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
On an unrelated note, the "H" in "Homebrewing" shouldn't be capitalized, and there shouldn't be an "-ing." But whatever, keep it I guess, at least until it slows down a bit. I predict that once the next-gen consoles are out the PSP homebrew scene will move to the PS3 or 360. Hosterweis (talk) (contribs) 16:47, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
When that time comes, feel free to merge it with the main article. I hope you don't take it the wrong way, but we did do it for a reason. Also, feel free to correct the spelling, all help is appreciated. :) Havok (talk) (contribs) 16:51, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
  • It was split because the homebrew issues are developing, bloated this article, and attracted people advertising this or that lame homebrew or hack site. Personally, I think that PlayStation Portable Homebrewing should someday be merged back into this article, but not until the homebrew scene is as stable as the PS2 and Xbox homebrew scenes (where new discoveries and developments are comparatively minor). This won't happen while PSP hackers are still looking for unsigned code exploits in common versions of the firmware. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 09:52, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Lead section too short

According to Wikipedia:Lead section, the lead section or intro should be able to stand on its own as a well-rounded summary of the article. Currently, it consists of one sentence. Much of the General Information section could be moved up. --Poiuyt Man talk 07:10, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

I merged it myself, and removed the Japanese translation. It's not a Japanese-exclusive item, and this is an English Wikipedia. --Poiuyt Man talk 07:45, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Launch date

"The PSP was released in Australia and New Zealand on September 1, 2005." Its still August 31st.

Launch date

"The PSP was released in Australia and New Zealand on September 1, 2005." Its still August 31st.24.104.95.26 18:21, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Launch date

I know the quoted launch date was December 12 in Japan, but I was able to pick up my preorder from the local game store on December 11. Is this of any consequence? Smoove K 08:12, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't think that's an official change. The store would have had the stock arrive ahead of time and so they either overlooked or just plain ignored the "don't sell until this date" stickers that were no doubt used to seal the boxes. Many stores do that now and then, and some particular stores do it quite frequently. Most of the time they don't get caught doing it, except in the case of those early Harry Potter copies. :) GarrettTalk 14:26, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Well, I knew the store owner and was told that he shouldn't sell it (even changing the date stamped onto the box for warranty purposes to Dec. 12). However, I didn't know if this had any impact on what the "release date" should be considered. I guess as an official date my early purchase should not be considered. Smoove K 02:32, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Questions

What is a wireless router, do you need it to view internt on PSP? Is there something else you can use? How much are they? And to get music to PSP do you put the memory stick in the PSP then the PSP in the usb port? Or do you put the memory stick in a memory stick slot in the computer? And do you need a USB connector?, Thanks!Sultn 07:59, 2 September 2005 (UTC) Anyone?--Sultn 03:05, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

A wireless router is a device which is connected to the internet and broadcasts an internet signal to all compatible devices within a 150-300ft range. It broadcasts these signals in three standard frequencys known as 802.11b, 802.11g, and 802.11a. Their transfer speeds increase in the same order I put them down. You do need a wireless router to view the internet on the PSP. There is nothing else you can use. It must broadcast on 802.11b. They range from $40.00 to $130.00 and even higher. Go to Best Buy's website and see what their sale price is. They can go as cheap as $20.00. To get music and other files on your PSP you have multiple options. You can leave the memory stick in the PSP and connect it to the computer with a Mini-B type USB cord (about $5.00-$10.00) and select "USB Mode" on the PSP. If your computer has a built-in memory stick slot, you can use that too. If it doesn't, you will need an external adapter. They sell for about $20.00 and plug into a USB port. Hope that helps!

Launch in Czech Republic

PSP launched in Czech Republic contains firmware version 1.52. A package contains so called "demo disc" that will automaticlly upgrade your firware to version 2.0. Distributors in Czech Republic have a strict order NOT to exchange PSPs with dead image pixels.

Sales and Competition marked for Cleanup

I put up a cleanup tag for the Sales and Competition section of this article. Many of the statements I found confusing, and some of the statements have a tendency to jump to conclusions. Some examples:

  • Nintendo's DS has a younger target audience as demonstrated by its hands on interface also the games for the DS are more child friendly.
  • While the PSP is for an older audience due to its MP3, internet and movie features.
  • Also, its games involve more complex situations (GTA: Liberty City Stories is a R-rated game).

In general it feels out of place in a reasonably well written article. --Codemonkey 01:21, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

The correct tag would be a NPOV dispute. The sentence "Nintendo's DS has a younger target audience as demonstrated by its hands on interface also the games for the DS are more child friendly." can be easily refuted by Gentle Brain Exercises and Brain Training for Adults. I will later add some links for reference for the article as is now, but a rewriting is necessary. -- ReyBrujo 23:34, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Screenshots of games

Just removed them from article since they weren't in an appropiate place. Please feel free to sort the code and put them in a more suitable location of the article. Not sure if the one screenshot per article rule applies here though. -- Thorpe talk 21:36, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Lumines
Bandai (2004)

Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories
Rockstar Games (2005)

Burnout Legends
Electronic Arts (2005)

Metal Gear Acid
Konami (2004)

Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee (Coca Cola Special Edition)
SCE (2005)

Metal Gear Acid 2
Konami (2005)

GripShift
Red Mile Entertainment (2005)
  • I cleaned up some code (just matching the Xbox, GC, PS2's image galleries) but still not ready for put in the article. The problem is the person that uploaded images didn't follow the instructions by Wikipedia to provide a detail name of the image files not just screwy numbers that can be easily be overwritten by somebody. Anyways, one of the images (Marvel Nemesis) is not taken from the PSP version because it is a 4:3 aspect screen capture. I putted a Lumines screenshot and reuse the GTA:LCS screen. --J. Nguyen 14:52, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Nevermind. --J. Nguyen 15:04, 30 October 2005 (UTC)


Multimedia & Codecs

I strongly feel a list of the codecs and fileformats the psp plays woudl be of benifit.Along with a trimmed down, reworked version of the current content. Ill go ahead and have a go, i just hope i dont butcher it too much. Mirddes 05:50, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

The whole "tutorial" part of this section should be removed, as Wikipedia is not an instruction manual - "while Wikipedia has descriptions of people, places, and things, Wikipedia articles should not include instruction - advice (legal, medical, or otherwise), suggestions, or contain "how-to"s. This includes tutorials, walk-throughs, instruction manuals, and recipes. Wikibooks is a Wikipedia sister-project which is better suited for such things." Havok (T/C) 09:46, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
I second this. The section should be removed. --cheese-cube 10:18, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

First attempt in handheld consoles?

What about the PocketStation? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.249.182.252 (talk • contribs).

You've got a point there. It's definitely small enough to be considered handheld. --Poiuyt Man talk 15:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Critical Reaction

Is it too early to perhaps include a section on the PSP's reaction? Not something I want to be the one gauging as I don't own one or have any involvement in it's 'community', but noticed its omisssion. Barneyboo 22:58, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Its a cool gadget but lacks reflections, I saw eas hockey game and it blew compared to Dreamcast's NHL 2k series.

That's EA's fault. Also, I don't think anyone was asking for your opinion. 65.127.73.78 10:27, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

New firmware update PLEASE ADD AUDIO FORMAT

I'm new to this community, and I don't know now, so I'm aksing someone else. I updated a certain part, but now with the update of 2.6 on the PSP it can play windows media files. WMA, someone please put this in there. Thank you.

Screenshots

It is very important for screenshots for many PSP games to be on this page because some person might not know what psp graphics are like and then they might go to the nintendo ds page and think that the ds has better graphics. To get many peoples attention about this article we need screenshots!! I have tried to make this attempt but have not succeeded. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wikilo12 (talk • contribs).

PSP borrowed some OSS

I was looking at what could be considered the "About" dialog on the PSP and noticed a familiar name that was metioned in the credits for the PSP's interface. Aparently, the PSP uses libungif, an image codec developed by open source software pioneer [Eric S. Raymond]. I'm surprised he hasn't said anything about it. I think it was rather noble of Sony to acknowledge his work as part of the PSP's GUI. --Bushido Hacks 16:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

LocationFree Player

Hi, I was wondering what the base player is and that there should be new article on it. I, for example, have a Sony Network Media Reciver (PCNA-MR10A) and was wondering if i could connect this to the PSP?

I think we shouldn't have an article on this as we dont need an article for everyone of Sony's products. I think that we should have a section saying how it relates to the PSP. We could just have a redirect to the section. Anyone else think this too? Rmccue 03:04, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

PS2 hookup?

Just wondering, should we mention about games that can hookup to the Ps2? Eg. WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2006, Crash Tag Team Racing... Rmccue 02:52, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Important!

I need to add something here. Lately PSP users have been getting the "PSP blue screen of death." basically it mentions you the settings will be reset. And displays this in all languages. I will get a picture of it if nessicary. It apparently does not damage the PSP ,but is worth noting in this article. Can someone please add this? Thanks (Just do a google search) 70.176.219.169

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