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Contents 1 article name? 2 New statement by Immersion on cost of implementing rumble 3 Another court hearing was held 4 Wii-Mote 5 Hope for Rumble from Hori 6 Criticism 7 it's Sixaxis, not SIXAXIS™

[edit] article name?

I moved the page to "Wireless Controller (SIXAXIS)" because I wasn't able to move it to "SIXAXIS", and "Wireless Controller (SIXAXIS)" is the official name indicated in the press release. After some thought, I felt that I should probably get some other opinions first over where the article belongs before making a page move proposal.

• SIXAXIS? (It would preserve the visual symmetry of the trademark, and may be the general usage.)
• Sixaxis? (MoS:TM states that standard capitalization rules should be followed regardless of the owner's preferred treatment.)
• PlayStation 3 Wireless Controller? (Based on the press release, SIXAXIS may be a secondary name, like "PlayStation Portable" is to "PSP".)

Thoughts? Dancter 15:36, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's just that generally the parenthesis are used in a different manner. Generally they're not proper nouns, but are descriptive nouns used when there are multiple articles with the same name. It's strange seeing it used in this way, and somewhat non-standard. I'd lean towards "SIXAXIS" or "Sixaxis" myself. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 18:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

It's just such an awkward name, and so new, that it's not clear what the most common usage is going to be. I dismissed the idea initially, but perhaps "SixAxis" should also be considered as a naming option. To my understanding, the official spelling of DualShock is actually DUALSHOCK, in all caps, but because of common perception (with PlayStation being in camelcase), DualShock became the general usage. While it wouldn't retain the visual symmetry, using the camelcase for SixAxis would be keeping with "tradition". Plus, I think SixAxis is available to move the article to without having to file a request. Dancter 01:55, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Scratch that. A quick perusal of the media coverage seems to indicate that there is little support for the camelcase spelling. GameSpot had briefly used the spelling in their article, but has since changed the headline and subhed, using "Sixaxis" instead. I'm thinking that's probably the best place to have it for now. Unless there are any objections, I'll request the move to Sixaxis tomorrow. Dancter 02:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

It's completely and utterly non-controversial, so I've gone ahead with it. Too much beauracracy just slows things down. Whether it should stay here or move somewhere else (ie. SIXAXIS) is still debatable, but I doubt much that anyone would argue that it should have stayed at the old name. The MoS is on this name's side too. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know you had become an admin. Congratulations. I think you're a good fit for the role. If I had known, I probably would've just asked you directly. :) Dancter 02:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks :). I've been sporadically active recently, but I'm settling into everything. If you need any other odd admin thing, just give me a ring. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 05:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's a vote for SIXAXIS, assuming that's possible. That's what Sony calls it, after all. Daveydweeb (^chat/_patch) 08:50, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

This will probably be an ongoing discussion for a while, but I think it's okay to leave here for now. If a there is a strong-enough case for SIXAXIS, then it can certainly be moved there. Sony also spells the console name PLAYSTATION 3, but after several discussions, it was decided that it wasn't enough to override justify a move over general use and style considerations. This is different, though. Right now, there is significant use of the all-caps spelling, but it's not clear that it will continue to be the case once the novelty dies down. Dancter 15:13, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you have a point. By the way, you misspelled the console's name: it's actually - I kid you not - PLAYSTATION®3. Yeah, including the trademark sign. With that in mind, I'll change my mind on allcaps, since "Sixaxis" seems common (and natural) enough. Daveydweeb (^chat/_patch) 21:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New statement by Immersion on cost of implementing rumble

Link (updated with statements from immersion's president | 00:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC) )

Article worthy? --Jack Zhang 22:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

If people want to expand on the Immersion vs. Sony rumble over rumble, then there's certainly room in the article. Though if it is added, then the Hirai's original interview statement should be mentioned for context. http://games.kikizo.com/features/ps3_kazhirai_vidiv_oct06.asp Dancter 23:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another court hearing was held

Link --Jack Zhang 06:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wii-Mote

There is no mention of the controversy surrounding the Sony adding the motion sensing features to their controller after Nintendo revealed the Wii-mote. It appeared to a lot of people to be a direct response/rip-off of Nintendo’s strategy. Could this be mentioned with NPOV or is it just too speculative? Vegasjon 18:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

If you consider that a rip-off, then go back to the model-t by Ford. Other car companys came out and started producing the automobile as well, are they ripping off Ford? Hell, there were motor vehicles before Ford anyways, so would Ford be ripping them off ? Was there a massive outrage over it ?

Or how about Nintendo making a cartridge based console, the ataris 2600 etc used cartridges, was Nintendo ripping them off ?

To say Sony is "ripping them off" is completely ludicrous, you could fight millions of products with this same claim.--64.231.254.43 09:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's bloody obvious that Sony wasn't trying to "rip off" Nintendo, so much as sabotage their console. Either way, it was a cheap move. However, that's not admissable in the article because, while although it's painfully obvious, it still isn't anything I've seen formally stated/proven elsewhere, and thus would be considered OR. That said, it's certainly worth mentioning that Sony announced their motion-sensing capabilities only after Nintendo had announced theirs. (But conclusions must be left to readers to draw) Bladestorm 19:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

well, saying what order the announcements came in is fundamentally POV, as it's really just looking in the other direction. what's wrong with citing the various sources that mentioned it? it is is no way fact, but it was a notable observation, that was made by various websites. Scepia 06:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you mean by what is or isn't fact or a notable observation? However, acknowledging that the PS3 motion sensing was announced months after the wii's isn't POV. It's inherently NPOV. It's a simple fact. (please tell me the 'point of view' that's being pushed by such a statement?) But yeah, what is a notable observation? and what do you want to cite? Bladestorm 18:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

There were a few developers that stated they had been working with the SIXAXIS for months before Sony or Nintendo announced anything. Also I read somewhere that the original boomerang controller design was to utilize the motion-sensing in a more ergonomic way. Sony didn't tell anyone the boomerang was motion-sensing too, and maybe it would have been more accepted if the public had known that. Cmsjustin 19:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Please excuse my skepticism, but could you please provide links proving both of those statements? Bladestorm 19:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hope for Rumble from Hori

Link --Jack Zhang 07:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

What the hell is with the criticism sub cat, this is just as bad as the ps3 "console" criticism sub. Based on forums, a few review editors, not even cited ... The original xbox controller has no criticism sub, I think we all remember the complaints on the largeness of it. I'm removing it, uncited and trivial to this article. --64.231.254.43 09:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] it's Sixaxis, not SIXAXIS™

Wikipedia is not the Sony store. SIXAXIS is a stylized, ugly IMO, marketing thing. the controller's name is Sixaxis. for those of you that say the real name is SIXAXIS, look at the Sony website. they call the console the PLAYSTATION®3. the article on WP is PlayStation 3. Scepia 06:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Um... yeah... you try telling them at the iPod article that it isn't really called an iPod... After you convince them, then come back here and make your case for why companies don't get to name their own products. Bladestorm 19:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

You're referring to a special case which doesn't apply here. Dancter 19:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. In that case, scroll up in that same link. Note that, while although they express a clear preference for non-capitalized names, when valid, they also directly state that you shouldn't make up new forms either. Personally, I've seen SIXAXIS much more frequently than Sixaxis. What is the standard, non-capitalized word? Sixaxis? SixAxis? SixAxiS? In order to replace it with Sixaxis, it'd have to be shown that Sixaxis is a well-accepted form. Bladestorm 20:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

If you scroll up a little on this page, you'll see that I said as much myself back when this article was just for the controller, and not an overall page on PS3 accessories. Dancter 20:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

So, uh... now I'm confused. Are we arguing about which of us agrees with the other more? Scepia was saying that it should be moved to Sixaxis. I'd prefer SIXAXIS. Which do you think it should be? (For what it's worth, I'm more than happy letting you be the tie-breaker, dancter.) Bladestorm 21:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't think we were arguing. To me, I was just pointing out relevant discussions and guidelines. To be honest, I don't think it's a big deal. Right now the name isn't used that much in the article anyway, so readability isn't much of an issue. SIXAXIS is definitely the most common usage right now, but not overwhelmingly so. Even if we agreed on not using the all-caps spelling as standard, we would still need to use it once to point out the trademark, and again in the Engadget quotation. This decision really only affects a handful of words. It's not really a page-moving issue anymore, as this is now a PS3 accessories article, and we already have redirects for all the popular variations. If people think that the all-caps usage is really that much of a problem, the solution being arrived at for the "PLAYSTATION 3" issue would fit just fine here. Briefly mention the notable "stylish" name, with perhaps a little explanation (in this case, maybe something about it being a palindromic word with rotational symmetry), but stick to the more professional name for regular use. Dancter 03:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree, SIXAXIS is a registered trademark, and nobody besides Sony can tell us how to spell it. You do bring up the point that maybe PlayStation 3 should be renamed to PLAYSTATION 3. Cmsjustin 19:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

This has been discussed several times before. Dancter 19:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I quote the manual of style:

• avoid: REALTOR®
• instead, use: Realtor

Scepia 05:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Keeping in mind that the same page also says not to invent new forms. (eg. the MCI reference) My suggestion would be to wait until the PS3 is a bit more popular, and then see if a significant number of people are using Sixaxis, SixAxis, or sixaxis, to see if using anything other than SIXAXIS would be 'inventing a new format'. Bladestorm 05:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)