Talk:Plantation of Ulster

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Legacy Actually Gerry Adams might not be of Planter origin, considering a huge number of Irish Gaelic names were Anglicised due to British laws designed to stamp out Irish culture, and to the fact thatpeople who became English speakers would often change their surnames. Adams may originally have been "McAdam".

[edit] plantation of Ulster

It is interesting that while the figure of 4000 planters killed in the rising of 1641 is often quoted it is rarely mentioned that the plantation exercise involved the calculated slaughter of an estimated 30000 plus native irish ,men women and children, and subsequently under the Cromwellian " Hell or to Connaught "campaign thousands more were murdered and up to 60000 native Irish hunteddown by "Man catchers" to provide white slaves to be sold for thye sugar plantations and brothels of the Barbados not to mention the thousands others transported as indentured servants. The political mindset of Ulster Protestants is still that they civilised the inferior native Irish. Little wonder the native Irish continue to rise in rebellion on a regular basis in the province of Ulster.81.131.16.200 06:13, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, if you follow some of the links to historical articles, you will find that the atrocitires of all sides in the 1640s are well covered. See Irish Rebellion of 1641, Irish Confederate Wars and Cromwellian conquest of Ireland.

However, there was no "calculated slaughter" before the plantion. It is true that the province was heavily de-populated by the Nine Years War (Ireland), where the English used scorched earth tactics, but no planned massacre. Cromwell's actions, as I have said are covered in the relevant articles. Don't know where you're getting your figures from though, apparently you know better than the specialist historicans working in the area? Jdorney 16:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

It was just like north America, they murdered to get the land. Over a number of years thousand's of native Irish were killed, that's the plain and simple fact of the matter. (but they didn't kill us all, that was their biggest mistake) Culnacreann 21:59, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protestant Scottish Highlanders in Ulster

Did any Protestant Scottish Highlanders settle in Ulster? Where has it been stated that Protestant Scottish Highlanders settled in Ulster? I thought Ulster was planted exclusively by English and Lowland Scot settlers.

In the initial plantation in 1610 it was specified that the settlers had to be English speaking and Protestant, but in the decades that followed, many thousands more immigrants arrived from Scotland, many of whom were Gaelic speaking Highlanders. Not all of the Scots were Protestants either, the MacDonnell or MacDonald clan were Catholics and settled extensively in the north of county Antrim.

Jdorney 23:57, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the delayed response. Thank you very much for typing up this answer for me. It is very informative, enlightening and interesting.