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hi, there

What are the rules for pilota valenciana?, seems like a real "street sport", nice.


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[edit] More links about "Pilota valenciana"

Tagarinet's web

Lots of info from a pilota fan about professional and amateur competitions. Videos too. http://pilota.tagarinet.com/portada.htm


Museu de Pilota del Genovés

Webpage of a local museum devoted to Pilota in the little village of Genovés. http://www.museupilota.com There's a multimedia section [[1]] with videos, 3D views, and an online game simulating a one-on-one "escala i corda" match [[2]].


7 online videos about a mythical match: Genovés I versus Sarasol I. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pilota+valenciana&search=Search


More than 100 pics about different variants of "Pilota valenciana": http://www.flickr.com/photos/56796547@N00/


Videos of "Escala i Corda" one-on-one matches available on P2P programs such as eMule: - Final Individual 1993: Genovés I - Sarasol I (small videos) - Final Individual 1995: Genovés I - Àlvaro (final "jocs", very emotive) - Final Individual 2004: Àlvaro-Genovés II (whole match, but a strange one)

[edit] Ireland???

Where is the evidence that pilota is played in Ireland? I'm Irish and I've never heard of pilota being played here. An Muimhneach Machnamhach 17:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

maybe here ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_handball?  ;-)


[edit] Links in Catalan and Spanish

The link to the Catalan wikipedia version of this page should point to [[3]] instead of [[4]], since this one talks about Basque Pilota and the first one talks about Basque and Valencian Pilota.

Also, the Spanish pointed page is [[5]], which obviously talks only about Basque Pilota. There is a Spanish page about Valencian Pilota, [[6]], but the Spanish Wikipedia has no page merging both games, as the English and Catalan Wikipedias do.

[edit] Shouldn't be two articles?

As far as I can discern, Valencian ball game and Basque one are very dissimilar, specially because Basque ball is played in a court and Valencian is not. I really don't know how could they play against each other with such different rules. I have never heard of Valencian ball players matching against Basque ones. Some Castilians maybe, specially from La Rioja.

I'm going to expand the Basque section anyhow but please, consider splitting. --Sugaar 08:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


Until XIX century and the new "ble" variant, Basques used to play pilota "a la larga". similar to Valencian "llargues". There are many sources refering to this game in navarre during XVI and XVI centuries. According to "El gran libro de la pelota", Luis Bombín y Rodolfo Bozas (Madrid, 1976), a Valencian player, Amigó, and an Aragonese player, Legasa, got a lot of money challenging local players to "llargues" games. Also, that book refers Fernando VII Spanish king asking Valencian and Basque players to play "llargues" for him in 1821 in Madrid.

But it seems to be something historical. Really, I've never seen Valencian pilota players but, would they play Basque style, they would be in the championships (that typically have an all-Spain frame, even players are only Basques and some Riojans - Titín III).
In the Basque Wikiproject some are considering splitting the article and maybe merging with Jai Alai or at least some partial merge. --Sugaar 13:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Nowadays Valencian and Basque pilotaris only play challenge matches on summertime, nothing serious.
Valencian pilotaris have to play "frontó", which is seldom played in the Land of Valencia. Also Valencian and Basque "frontons" are different, the Valencian one is much shorter and there's a wall behind, so balls may bounce there, that's very usual in Valencian "trinquets" but almost never seen in Basque "frontons".
Also, the ball used in Valencian and Basque "frontons" are different. Basque ball is about 100gr.,slow and very big, while Valencian ball is about 40gr.,faster and much smaller.
That's why, in the Valencian-Basque challenges, all players use an ad-hoc made 70gr. ball nobody likes.
I'd suggest you to take a look at the "Pilota valenciana" Frediesport shop http://www.frediesport.com/, there's a "pilota" (balls) section with data and pics. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.120.184.239 (talk • contribs).
Very interesting info indeed, thanks, but I still think the article should be split in two, with reciprocal links at the see also section for mutual reference. --Sugaar 00:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree in splitting in two as it has been done in Catalan (ca:Pilota valenciana and ca:Pilota basca) and Spanish (es:Pelota valenciana and es:Pelota vasca) and because there are two separate international federations: Internacional Ball Sport Federation and International Federation of Basque Pelota. --Vriullop 10:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
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