Talk:Physical economics

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Slimvirgin, please stop the revert warring. A non-LaRouche sources have been used for all my edits. My edits were based on the same source as the earlier version of the article-- Dmitrii S Chernavskiĭ, Nikolai I Starkov, and Andrei V Shcherbakov, "On some problems of physical economics," Phys. Usp Volume 45 (2002) Number 9, pp. 977-997. (P.N. Lebedev Physics Institute, Russian Academy of Sciences). The Lebedev Physics Institute is a part of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Hardly any source can be more authoritative-- and "non-LaRouche." READ the beginning of the article, in particular:

The term `physical economy' (we also call it `physical economics') was proposed by the economist Lyndon H LaRouche Jr [1]. He is known to be an associate of the US President Ronald Reagan and the originator of so-called Reaganomics, which implies (among other things) an increased role of the state in the economy. Today, LaRouche is the leader of a school in the economical science, which embraces several institutes and social institutions. By physical economy, LaRouche means economical science constructed in similitude of exact and natural sciences. Such an economical theory is far from complete...

Cognition 03:19, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

This reading list [1] is also a good example of LaRouche's influence on Russian physics and economics... The ban on using "LaRouche material" here does not apply. In the U.S. LaRouche is blacklisted by the mainstream press and academia. But in Russia he is not. LaRouche has had considerable influence on respected Russian scientists who have published works in respected journals. So you are going to have to face the fact that there is scholarly work based on LaRouche's work that cannot be disregarded on the basis of that arbitration ruling you are always citing. Cognition 03:40, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

I've protected this page because a LaRouche editor, Cognition (talk • contribs), is adding LaRouche's name to the page in violation of an arbcom ruling.

Cognition, you have to produce a credible source that is not related to LaRouche at all to show that he developed these ideas. I have doubts about the source based on the above, because LaRouche is not an economist and was not an associate of Ronald Reagan. He's also not the leader of a school in "economical science," which "embraces several institutes and social institutions." I wonder whether these people are connected to the ones that gave him a degree or whatever it was. Anyway, please produce the source so that others can read it. You said you were going to upload it or cut and paste it onto a subpage.

I can't edit the page or judge the source now because I've protected, so I'll ask another editor to look at it once you've produced it. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 03:41, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

I posted it on my talk page in response to you. See Image:Pu 45 977.pdf and click on the PDF link. You should've gotten it now. And your doubts on the source are the original research. I have a source from scholars at the eminent Lebedev Physical Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences. You have your own personal conjectures. We can work with the former in this article, but not the latter. Cognition 03:44, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

I've done a search for LaRouche in that article and his name doesn't appear, unless my search function isn't working. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 06:02, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

It wasn't working. I've opened it with something else and now I see the references, but the paper has used as its source an Executive Intelligence Review article, so it all comes back to LaRouche. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 06:07, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, they're citing LaRouche. The Russian physical economics is largely based on the work of LaRouche. However, your arbitration ruling does not apply because they are independent of LaRouche and have just as much (and probably much more) economic credentials than Greenspan/Bernanke and their slime mold ilk. Cognition 16:09, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

If LaRouche is the only source saying that LaRouche developed it, then it's LaRouche material, not an independent source, and as such has no place in this article. See your talk page. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 20:57, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Revert

I reverted a significant change by User:Cognition based on the above discussion. Friday (talk) 05:38, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

The source I was using was the same source on which the rest of the article is based. SlimVirgin was ignoring the merits of my comments and sources because she is committed to reverting my work no matter what. Cognition 05:45, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I know nothing of this subject. But here's what I see: This article existed in many versions which did not suggest this was invented by LaRouche. You appear to be the only one putting this material in. Since the sources were being questioned, this made me suspicious. Friday (talk) 05:57, 7 November 2005 (UTC)