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[edit] National gem?

Is this accurate? South Sea pearls? --Howard the Duck 13:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure, I'll check it out. For all i know the "South sea pearls" (perlas ng silanganan in filipino) is a self-tagged symbol of being the pearl of the orient or the jewel of south asia. --Ninestrokes 15:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Students are taught of the national animal, leaf, flag, etc., but not a national gem, at least not on my student days... --Howard the Duck 15:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

it seems that the south sea pearls is the national gem, here's a link to philippine department of trade and industry webpage citing: "The Philippines south sea pearl has been declared as the Philippines national gem." [1] --Ninestrokes 15:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd consult the latest textbook on this matter. --Howard the Duck 15:43, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


With regard to the phrase "pearl of the orient", the phrase itself appears in the Ultimo Adios (not sure though if Rizal really did coin this phrase). The first stanza reads:
Adiós, Patria adorada, región del sol querida,
Perla del mar de oriente, nuestro perdido Edén!
which, when translated to English, (from the Ultimo Adios wiki article):
Farewell, beloved Country, treasured region of the sun,
Pearl of the sea of the Orient, our vanquished Eden!
I have yet to hear or read of something that predates Rizal's usage.
With regard to the DTI article...I'm not sure about this, but I think that the best place to look for is the National Historical Institute---more specifically, I'm thinking of their Heraldry bureau, because that's the specific office that keeps tab of the national symbols AFAIK --- Tito Pao 15:44, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] For reference: 2006 mid-year population figures from various sources

--Polaron | Talk 22:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] European-Filipinos

According to a Stanford University small-sample study, about 3.65% Filipinos are partly of Spanish, Mexican or European descent.

I thought this included all Filipinos of European descent, regardless of to what degree. —Lagalag 08:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Goldilocks revert

Hello! I would just like to ask why "Goldilocks" was removed in the section about Filipino culture. There is a real Goldilocks fastfood/bakeshop chain here in the Philippines (just like Jollibee, Greenwich and Chowking), and it's found in most major cities in the Philippines. It also has television commercials and print ads in major TV stations and serial publications. And most children's party here in the Philippines usually have cakes that were ordered from Goldilocks. If an article (even if only a stub) needs to be created for this, I'll be happy to start researching about Goldilocks. --- Tito Pao 21:38, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

It was my mistake, going too fast on RC patrol; sorry: I fixed it. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 23:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Philippine-related topics should be merged with this page

The List already contains links to the four to-do tasks currently listed at the top of this page (to add sections for Communications , Transportation, Military, and Foreign Relations) and the link to the information I mistakenly thought was lacking (Holidays). 70.112.29.65 08:10, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

That list is for maintainance (for checking on related changes), and is a wikilink dump. --Howard the Duck 08:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

This cataloging policy hides information from novice users and should be reconsidered. My attempt to find a list of Philippine holidays in Wikipedia failed. I found the link to the very detailed Wikipedia desciption from a Google search. If this policy is used widely thoughout Wikipedia, I am sure that many other novice users also failed to find information that was contained within Wikipedia. 70.112.29.65 15:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

A link is provided at the "See also" section of this article. Also the search function w/in Wiki will be handy. --Howard the Duck 15:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there are ways to find the information, but that was not my point. Could you kindly direct me to the main discussion page on something like 'Analyzing failed Wikipedia searches: making the resource more useful?' (I couldn't find it.) 70.112.29.65 20:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village Pump. --Howard the Duck 06:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Already been there. Done that. After more than two hours of poking about, I still can't find the relevant discussion page. If you or someone else could provide a link to the discusion page for something similar to 'Analyzing failed Wikipedia searches: making the resource more useful,' I would greatly appreciate it because I am beginning to believe that there is no such page. 70.112.29.65 09:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Can you state what exact phrase you entered into the search box? --Howard the Duck 11:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but once again, that wasn't my question. Does anybody know where this page is? I can not believe that such a vital page does not exist. Surely someone knows. Please, either give me a link to the page or ignore the question.70.112.29.65 20:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

The page does not exist because Wikipedia no longer keeps log records of failed searches, preseumably due to funding constraints. See this wikitech message from early 2005. 70.112.29.65 10:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


I've previously requested and suggested at the Protection topic that experts on this should be given room for their knowledge to substantiate this article. It is quite frustrating not only for myself but for others who want to read more.
(Jonarvs 09:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC))
Why? What's wrong? --Howard the Duck 14:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Poverty?

There is nothing in the article that mentions the poverty in the Philippines at all. This is astonishing, considering that the Philippine Government itself states that 40% of the population is below the poverty line, and outsiders might even give higher numbers. All the pictures are of gleaming shiny cities and happy people. Is this an encyclopedia, or not?

Glencharles 15:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)GlenCharles

Economy section, 8th paragraph:
"Income inequality remains persistent; about 30 million people lived on less than $2 per day in 2005."
Although IMHO it's not enough for me either. --Howard the Duck 15:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Didn't the NSCB release a data saying that only 24%percent live below poverty?--203.87.196.170 13:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The median income in the Philippines is something like American $2 a day, or about P100 (from an AP news article - I forget where). Although I think that's a per-person average - certainly the tindahans and odd jobs the kids do mean that the average household receives more than American $2 a day.203.131.167.26 01:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


In response to Glencharles, I think it is insignificant to over-emphasize this issue when this is a non-fiction text, which aims to deliver unbiased information and observation. Facts over observation. This issue has been well-accounted for, to say the least.
(Jonarvs 09:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Change 'MALAYSIA' text on Philippine Map to 'SABAH'

Dear friends, there is a dispute on the ownership of Sabah. Please refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabah_dispute.

jbvillarante 02:12, 12 November 2006

For comparison The locator map of Comoros doesn't shade Mayotte, an island it is currently in dispute with France. --Howard the Duck 10:25, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
We dont include it to our territory per se, but we just dont recognize that it belongs to another country either until this dispute is resolved. The one i'm proposing to change is not the location map but the provinces and regions map and the physical map where it is made to appear we have relinquished our claim on Sabah to Malaysia. So, i'm proposing that the 'MALAYSIA' text be changed to 'SABAH'. jbvillarante 05:06, 13 November 2006
For comparison also, CIA map of Comoros clearly labeled the island 'Mayotte', not 'France.' Then it is labeled 'Administered by FRANCE, Claimed by COMOROS.' jbvillarante 05:14, 13 November 2006
Or, better yet, Remove the label 'MALAYSIA' altogether. The island at the bottom of the map is not labeled 'INDONESIA' so it doesn't make sense to label the northern part of Borneo. jbvillarante 05:16, 13 November 2006
Even if we change it to Sabah, it is still Malaysia. And the reason why Indonesia isn't marked is because the island is too small ("Indonesia" won't fit). In any case, you may post at the discussion page of the map, not here. --Howard the Duck 02:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I just want to reply here. I dont know why it's hard to understand... labeling it 'MALAYSIA' means that Sabah belongs to Malaysia and that there's no dispute about it. Whereas, when it is labeled 'SABAH,' the map becomes neutral on the dispute. It is the same case as Mayotte. You saw the map of Mayotte? CIA map of Comoros That's exactly what I want to happen. jbvillarante 08:38, 16 November 2006
I just want you to post here: Image talk:Ph regions and provinces.png and Image talk:Ph physical map.png. Please be guided accordingly. --Howard the Duck 07:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't want to post there yet. You can't really force me to, right? I said i just wanted to reply here since this thread is already created. I can't leave your comment without reply. Alright Mr. Howard the Duck? jbvillarante 17:55, 16 November 2006
I can't force you, but nothing will happen if you continue to post here. This is about the article per se. If you want to change the maps, the discussion pages of the maps would be the way to go. The best you can do is to post there. --Howard the Duck 10:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Just for the record, the Comoros (the four islands) and Mayotte were once colonized by France, just like Spain colonizing the Philippines. The French withdrew from Comoros (the three westerly islands) but still held Mayotte. Note that France per se is far away from Mayotte (which isn't the case with Sabah, Malaysia and the Philippines), so the CIA just obliged with the little note "Administered by France, claimed by Comoros", and with a different color for Mayotte from the rest of the Comoros. --Howard the Duck 10:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
hmmm... that's well said.. i respect your opinion. i'll leave this now. thanks for your time reading and commenting. jbvillarante 17:55, 16 November 2006

[edit] Corruption

I would like to see some recognition of the rampant corruption and poor functioning of the Philippine Government included. It's only fair. The President of the Philippines salary is set by the constitution at 50,000 PHP, or 1000 USD a month. Does anyone belive that's all she takes home? Worthless Wanderer- 15 Nov 06

Well, can you provide us with the sources and references that we can include and cite for this topic? --- Tito Pao 16:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Can anybody gives links. I've been itching to add corruption charges, etc. --Howard the Duck 07:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I would like to see some background data on whether the corruption here is absolutely widespread like I'm always hearing, or just highly-publicized. Another thing I've been wondering is whether it's the result of poor checks and balances, or deification of leaders. I don't have the heart to do the research, just the fingers to type this. 203.131.167.26 01:07, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
can start with a web search for the words "corruption" and "lagay" together for some background info. rampant enough that most Filipinos would be well aware of the "lagay" system (bribery system) which is practiced/initiated by both the government and the governed. started during the Spanish occupation, now it's part of the culture. it will probably not be easy to find hard data, just by the nature of the transaction.
If it's not that easy, then anyone can add data in this talk page then we can work out an acceptable version. --Howard the Duck 06:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protection?

Explain the protection? Falconleaf 02:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Reason for the semi-protection: An anon was consistently changing figures for the religion section, diverting on what was cited. I think we can remove it now. --Howard the Duck 06:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


I think the site administrators can ask Filipino historians to substantiate to this article. It should only be fair.(Jonarvs 09:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC))
I don't think government historians will come here. But you can always be bold. Just be sure to cite them. --Howard the Duck 14:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Religion

15 per cent Muslim? That figure published in the government website is inaccurate. Oh, and since when did the Muslim population exceed 5 per cent? Iglesia ni Cristo and the Anglo-Catholics (Aglipayans), who consider themselves neither Catholic nor Protestants, have been unaccounted for.

This is data I have obtained from the Philippines Department of Tourism website. [2] Predominantly Christian. Catholics - 82.9% Protestants - 5.4% Islam - 4.6% Philippine Independent Church - 2.6% Iglesia ni Cristo - 2.3%

...and from the CIA World Factbook [3] Roman Catholic 80.9%, Evangelical 2.8%, Iglesia ni Kristo 2.3%, Aglipayan 2%, other Christian 4.5%, Muslim 5%, other 1.8%, unspecified 0.6%, none 0.1% (2000 census)--Fifteencounts 12:54, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The Muslims had consistenly complained they're undercounted; however, I'd take the gov.ph over the DOT page and the CIA page. I'd look into NSO stats later. --Howard the Duck 05:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Or we can just use all the sources. "Estimates vary, but according to the CIA blah blah blah while the NSO blah blah blah " --Chris S. 07:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe the NSO should get its records straight. Not all sects are accounted for and majority of the acclaimed Roman Catholics are non-practioners of the belief. Maybe a statistics on that should be included.
(Jonarvs 09:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC))
This is the same as France, many are "Catholics" but like a very small fraction practice their faith, it is said that there are more tourists than parishioners at the Notre Dame Cathedral.
Again, unless someone comes up with a more credible citation than the gov.ph website (I searched at the NSO website but I can't find anything about religion there), the changes to that section (and any other section, for that matter) will be reverted. --Howard the Duck 14:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Data from the Philippine Census can be found in Table 2 here. It essentially breaks down as:

  • 81.04% Roman Catholic
  • 5.06% Islam
  • 2.82% Evangelical
  • 2.31% Iglesia ni Cristo
  • 1.98% Aglipayan
  • 0.80% Seventh Day Adventist
  • 0.55% United Church of Christ of the Philippines
  • 0.50% Jehovah's Witness
  • 4.95% Others

--Polaron | Talk 14:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok that settles it. Change it as anyone wishes. --Howard the Duck 15:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Call for Filipino Historians and other Professionals in this Field

This is a suggestion, which I hope would be considered. Even a college student could pass a more satisfatory thesis on the Philippine's history. (Jonarvs 09:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC))

The History of the Philippines article is a featured article and was even selected to appear at the Main Page a few weeks ago. --Howard the Duck 14:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] International rankings

I hijacked this from Hong Kong, feel free to add anything, just be sure to cite it.

Table of Hong Kong International Rankings
Date Context Organization Ranking Note
2004 List of countries by Human Development Index United Nations 84/177 .763; Highest @ .965, lowest @ .311
2004 List of countries by unemployment rate World Factbook 89/159 11.7; Highest @ 0.00, lowest @ 90.00
2006 Corruption Perceptions Index Transparency International 121/163 2.5; Highest @ 9.6, lowest @ 1.8
2006 List of countries by public debt World Factbook 21/114 72.3% of GDP Highest @ 195%, lowest @ 1.8%
2006 Index of Economic Freedom Heritage Foundation/The Wall Street Journal: 2006 98/157 3.23; Highest @ 1.28, lowest @ 5.00

--Howard the Duck 15:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Media?

Shouldn't there be a section discussing media of the country? Newspapers, television and radio stations, etc? --Jolomo 16:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

They're under the "Communications" section w/c is under in development. --Howard the Duck 07:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links

About Spanish language in Philippines

  http://www.geocities.com/kaibigankstil/

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.97.241.59 (talk) 18:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

This should go at Spanish language in the Philippines, the article is so loooooong already, and other important sections aren't even added. Note that this article is should be a summary only. --Howard the Duck 08:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The National Sport of the Philippines.

The National Sport of the Philippines is not Sipa. It was changed by the Philippine Congress in 2002. House Bill 5284 which was authored by Rep. Juan Zubiri of Bukidnon, Philippines. The Bill declared Arnis as the National Sport of the Philippines. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jpgarciamd (talk • contribs) 04:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

We need sources. --Howard the Duck 07:23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Howard, as for the Bill per se, I have no problem with this since bills and republic acts are public documents, and the next best thing to do is to contact the Senate website and find out if they have linkable online copies of these. However, my problem with making the Zubiri Bill as the basis for arnis as the national sport is that it is still only a bill. A bill is not yet a law, and thus it is not enforeceable until it passes all readings in the Lower House (House of Representatives, also known as the Bastusang Batasang Pambansa) and in the Upper House (the Senate). So, Jpgarciamd, I'm sorry to say this: arnis is not yet the national sport of the Philippines even if you can show us a copy of the Zubiri Bill. The fact that it's still a House Bill since 2002 means that both Houses of Congress are still deliberating whether it should be enacted into law. It's best to wait for both houses of Tongress Congress to finally pass and enact this bill into a law (like, say, Republic Act No. XXXX); then, that is the right time to consider Arnis as the Philippines' national sports. --- Tito Pao 18:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Exactly, a bill has to become an act before it is a law. --Howard the Duck 07:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] National Symbols of the Philippines (Sources)

Since someone tagged the infobox for lack of sources, let's try to pool our resources together. I've found this website from the NCCA. It names the national tree, national flower and national bird but---take note---no specific national hero.

With regard to national hero/heroes, there is a sub-page that gives an interesting (and, by the way, official) explanation of why no name was mentioned as the National Hero (apparently, there is a legal basis for this). (Take note, however, that this sub-page about national heroes has a 2002 copyright, so we'll need additional and more current information about this topic). --- Tito Pao 19:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

An updated textbook will be enough, IMHO. --Howard the Duck 07:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
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