Talk:Philip III, Duke of Burgundy

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The proposal is now that the article stays at Philip III, Duke of Burgundy (altered the wording to correspond current reality Arrigo 19:21, 2 September 2005 (UTC))

Under the usual interpretation of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles), we almost always use ordinals in the page name and list by-names like "Philip the Good" in the first line.Choess 16:56, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

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1. Support. Systematic naming is helpful, and also presumably prevents POV. As he was the third of that name in a succession (within a century), systematical name is easy. Arrigo 17:19, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
2. Support. Philip Baird Shearer 17:52, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
3. Support. – AxSkov (☏) 05:50, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

1. Oppose Philip the Good and Philip the Good, Duke of Burgundy are both much clearer identification to most readers:
   • "Which one was Philip III, again?"
   • "Philip the Good."
   • "oh, thanks." or even "Ah, right."

     Septentrionalis 23:38, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

2. Oppose Philip the Good is by far most used to refer to this person, and conforming to general wikipedia Naming Conventions --Francis Schonken 09:35, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

• Abstain. The current title conforms to naming conventions. I would probably prefer Philip the Good, Duke of Burgundy, but I am indifferent as between Philip III, Duke of Burgundy and Philip the Good. The latter is more recognizable, but the former conforms to NC. john k 04:55, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

It was considered whether this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Dragons flight 05:24, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

longer reasonings:

Adam Bishop is the original creator of this article, see edit history. Arrigo 19:21, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reasons for renaming this article Philip the Good

• The title Philip III is not used in historiography.
• Philip the Good is not only duke of Bourgondia. He is also duke of Brabant, Lothier and Limburg (second of the name Philip) and duke of Luxemburg (first of this name).
• The title Philip III creates confusion with the chronology of the Kings of Spain, which ruled in the Netherlands after the Bourgondians.
• The chronology of the kings/dukes/counts of Bourgondia is subject to criticism.
• On the French and Dutch Wikipedia similar discussion as resulted in assigning a redirect to Philip III towards the main article Philip the Good. Witger 08:05, 2 January 2006 (UTC)