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Contents 1 Major revision 1.1 Update 1.2 Help? 2 Diversity 3 Team History 4 World Series 5 Roster 6 Disambiguate. 7 Famous Fans 8 Aaron Rowand 9 History and Team's Name 10 Article length and season-by-season records/standing

[edit] Major revision

[edit] Update

Editing/expansion help is now needed within the article's "Franchise history" section, beginning with subsection "1976-79." Thanks. —Smuglife 06:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help?

Hi everyone,

I am currently beginning the process of revising and rewriting this entry as it is very unorganized and incomplete. Most of the content looks copied & pasted, which is helpful, but not entirely readable. So if anyone has any suggestions, comments, or ideas (esp. concerning section & sub-section divisions) please feel free to leave them here on the talk page. I would at least like to see this article reach the level of B-class.

Thanks, Smuglife 22:09, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diversity

Hi.

I take issue with the "lack of diversity" noted in the Philadelphia Phillies article. Please note the following black/latino players on the 1993 roster:

Wes Chamberlain, Kim Batiste, Mariano Duncan, Milt Thompson, Ben Rivera, Juan Bell, Ricky Jordan.

These players were no bench riding scrubs. They were an integral part of that team's success, and much admired by the Philadelphia fans.

--Brendan O

Sir, this is a Wiki. You can add them yourself. - Fennec 16:02, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I made some changes to the section concerning the fans. It seemed too much like an apology/rant for my tastes, so I spotlighted the fans loyalty and appreciation for hustle instead.

Zjac7

[edit] Team History

The Worcester team has nothing whatsoever to do with the Philadelphia Phillies other than the fact that the Phillies took Worcester's spot when Worcester folded. They are separate ball clubs, as noted in the text, so the info box has wrong information. I will remove the incorrect information unless someone has a legimate, albeit bizarre, reason to keep it. --Leshii 04:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I changed the establishment date to 1883 so that the information in the text matches the information in the infobox. --Leshii 14:50, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The Cubs have been in Chicago continuously since 1870. Even if you count the two years they dropped out of the National Association, their return in 1874 predates the Phillies by nine years.--MrCub 22:55 UTC+6, 10 July 2006

Ah, the sentence previously said "one-location, one-name" team; the Cubs originally had another name. I took out "one-name" when I found the two cited refs (the CBS.com one looks pretty authoritative) that say the Phils were originally called the Quakers. I think this is kind of a trivial distinction anyway; I'd correct it and move it under the Trivia heading.--BillFlis 13:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

The team changed its name - formally - for two seasons in 1944-5, thus disrupting the continuity of the name, no? Look at the inset: Philadelphia Phillies (1946–present). I guess the distinction would properly belong to the Cincinnati Reds (since 1890, depending on how one interprets the use of the name "Redlegs" in the McCarthyism days) otherwise to the Pittsburgh Pirates (since 1891). KriZe 14:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Old team logos may be found here.--BillFlis 02:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] World Series

I'm going to add the years they won the World Series as the Philadelphia Athletics. Noting that that was the teams name at the time.

• And I'm going to revert your change. The Athletics were a different team, in the American League (and now the Oakland Athletics). Jeff Worthington 20:04, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Roster

Where can one edit the roster as it stands now? Someone else can add that Brito is on the roster now, but I'd like to know for future reference...

Philadelphia Phillies roster →Vik Reykja 15:10, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Let's all please use that page for roster changes, so this page doesn't have to be edited so much and to keep the size of the article down. JesseRafe 23:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguate.

Could someone add a disambiguation link to the top of the page? I got here looking for Phillies cigars, not the team.

[edit] Famous Fans

Am I missing something? Why are Adolf Hitler, Saint Peter, etc. included?--ThreeAnswers 04:15, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aaron Rowand

I'm sure this is the wrong place to ask this but does anybody have any idea how I might be able to find out what number Aaron Rowand wore on his jersey when he played at Cal State Fullerton??

Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dermokichwa (talk • contribs) .

You might want to contact the athletic department at CS-Fullerton, http://fullertontitans.cstv.com/. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 02:50, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History and Team's Name

The early history here disagrees with official history here:

http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/phi/history/timeline01.jsp

--South Philly 00:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

That's pretty funny! My web search overwhelmingly indicates that they were named the Quakers from 1883 until 1890. No mention of that at all on the Phillies' own site. It would be nice to let them know, but I don't see any way to contact them on their web site. This site has lots of pix of old baseball cards, including several "Philadelphia Quakers," but unfortunately none of them show the team name on the card (only the city name), which I think would be a real clincher. Here's another interesting site. Now some anonymous user has used the Phillies site to back up the claim that they are the oldest one-name, one-city team in pro sports.--BillFlis 17:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm terribly sorry but I wanted to dicuss this before I made a change. Every book source I've ever read has stated that the Quakers, blue jays and live wired were all unofficial names. In fact the history section the phillies website at www.phillies.com states that they started in 1883 as the phillies. Isn't that the source we should lsiten to on the subject of thier naming? CharlieFandango September 20th, 2006

This great mystery has been discussed, see just above. There are five cited references in the article, all of which say that the team was originally officially named the Quakers. See also the U. Penn and baseball-card pages I cited just above. Here's another. Also, if you go to the official National Baseball Hall of Fame site and search for any of the old players (e.g., Ed Delahanty, Sam Thompson, Tommy McCarthy), it will list them as Quakers until 1890, when they became the Phillies; click on the link there to "Research Library" if you doubt their credibility. I have a question for you: Might "Quakers" later (after they officially became the "Phillies") have been used unofficially?--BillFlis 15:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I just found a way to contact the Phillies via email. I have a query into them asking whether they stand by the statements on that "official" mlb.com website.--BillFlis 17:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I added a ref in the article some time over the summer. I'm pretty sure MLB themselves officially states that the Phils are the oldest one-name, one-city, continuously used name. JesseRafe 17:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Could that be the (disputed) ref that editor South Philly cites at the top of this section?--BillFlis 12:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article length and season-by-season records/standing

I never knew why there was a need for the Phillies' entire 120 year record to be on this page, but nobody else has complained, so I never did anything. As this article is 41 kilobytes long, I suggest moving the records to a new, separate page. JesseRafe 00:17, 17 December 2006 (UTC)