Talk:Phil Spector

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[edit] Nice Picture for Article Front Page :-)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41178000/jpg/_41178541_spector1_bodyap.jpg

^_^

[edit] Judaism

Why is "Jewish" relevant here? Sfahey 22:40, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Some people might want to know what ethnic background he has. User:George
I agree, therefore I will put it back in there. Garion96 14:17, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, just looked in the history and saw that it was already a bunch of times removed and put back. Can we vote on this or something? Garion96 14:30, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

religious designations are usually included when they appear to have altered the person's career in other than the usual ways in which religion might. for example, sandy koufax's being victimized by anti-semitism and controversially not pitching on yom kippur. i didn't see the relevance in this article. Sfahey 16:40, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
But being jewish is not only a matter of religion, it's also a different culture in many aspects. It made him a different person than he probably would be if he came from a family if irish immigrants. Perhaps it's visible in his work, perhaps not. It's also interesting from the fact that many people in the entertainment industry were (are?) jews. There even was an expo about that in the jewish museum (New York) Garion96 01:53, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I don't think anybody is suggesting that a biographical article shouldn't include information on the person's ethnic background, just that it shouldn't be part of the primary description of the person in the lead unless, as Sfahey suggests, it is a key aspect of their life and work. Jgm 02:01, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I agree, but in this article it's not mentioned in the lead. Garion96 11:44, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Apparently it got taken out again; I just put it back again. This ongoing attempt to omit Spector's ethnic background is bizarre. Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 13:01, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citation for Jewishness

Sorry, I'm not up on citation procedure, and the WP:CITE is none too clear about the basic aspects. Anyway, is the external link I provided (to an article that mentions his being Jewish) good enough? If not, how can I properly cite the biography that also mentions this fact? Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 13:47, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joe Meek

"immensely gifted" - ? I think the most compelling aspect of Meek's story is the way he overcame adversity and applied his creative mind to a field of endeavor that he wasn't exactly, y'know, "born to". I wouldn't say he was immensely gifted. Anyone dispute this? Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 13:01, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Discussion moved here from Talk:Wall of Sound#Merge with Phil Spector?. Hyacinth 12:03, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I oppose a merge with Phil Spector. This article is far too long to be a stub. Hyacinth 09:59, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

seconded. imo, 'wall of sound' has become more a generic term for a certain element of audio production that one can hear in many tracks from various genres these days, and i think there should be more references to later uses of the technique referenced on this article --MilkMiruku 10:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I think a merge sounds like a good idea. The Wall of Sound article is not all that long, and some of it is reptitious with the Spector article. The quote and other elements could easily be incorporated, as well as more examples if needed (I think there are enough to make the point). The chances the "Wall" article itself could expand significantly are pretty slim. One could include clarifications to the use of the term if needed, but the Spector context is the original and most common use of the phrase (AKAIK), and the others could be considered derivations.

Please Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks. Hyacinth 08:25, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
The Phil Spector article only contains a paragraph about the technique (the first paragraph in Phil Spector#The Wall of Sound). Hyacinth 11:21, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

A merge is a bad idea, Spector's technique is as seperate from Spector as the lightbulb is from Edison. I vote no on a merge.

Please post new messages at the bottom of a discussion, or indent (using a colon at the beginning of the line) so as to indicate your reply's place in the flow. Also, please sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks. Hyacinth 13:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I also oppose. I think the wall of sound is important enough to warrant it's own article. Garion96 (talk) 17:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Since only one person so far was in favor of the merge, I decided to remove the tags. Garion96 (talk) 02:13, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
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