Talk:Peter Pettigrew

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Contents 1 Untitled 2 removed line 3 Parallels to Gollum 4 House Allegiance 5 Blood 6 Book 4 plans 7 Pettigrew's Loyalties 8 Merging from Scabbers article 9 Pettigrew's house in Hogwarts 10 Scabbers Spoiler

[edit] Untitled

I think a note should be added to this page to the effect that Pettigrew's nickname, "Wormtail," sounds very much like the name of a character from Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien, called "Wormtongue." Both characters are pitiful helpers to more dangerous villains, and both are traitors.

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From the article:

It is also revealed that Snape and Pettigrew both heard the prophecy regarding Voldemort and Harry Potter.

Is this correct? I don't think it ever said that Pettigrew heard my prophecy. --Lord Voldemort ^{(Dark Mark)} 16:13, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't remember ever reading this, perhaps the writer inferred it from Voldemort's asking Pettigrew for the whereabout of the Potters', but that's too much conjecture, unless someone can source it.Emmett5 02:45, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Parallels to Gollum

Looking at the events of the fourth book, I have a feeling that Wormtail may play as crucial a role in the death of Lord Voldemort as Gollum did in the destruction of the One Ring. In both cases the despised being is shown reluctant mercy by the hero, who was later told by a wise mentor that saving a life is always rewarded, even when the life is that of such a pitiful thing. Wormtail may aid Harry yet. 206.149.208.78 06:30, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Comment on the above: I think you're on the right track, but not quite. Wormtail holds a greater reference to Wormtongue from Lord of the Rings. It's probably where Rowling got the name from, considering she took a lot of license from other books (including from LOTR). Wormtongue kills Saruman because he's degraded to the point of humiliation, and similarly, Wormtail is degraded by Lord Voldemort. This could partially be the result of his blood heritage, as his parentage is unclear, or the fact that he almost betrayed Voldemort. Also, consider that just as Wormtail owes a life-debt to Harry, Wormtongue owed a similar debt to Theoden and Aragorn Elessar because they allowed him to live (albeit in exile).

[edit] House Allegiance

Do we know that Pettigrew was in Gryffindor? Is it mentioned somewhere?

No, it isn't, and Rowling didn't say anything about it. I suppose it should be like Albus Dumbledore: Gryffindor (?). – Rotemliss 16:10, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Peter Pettigrew is a sniveling coward. Now, while students can have some qualities other than those associated with their House, they can't be antithetical. I don't think there's any chance that Wormtail is a Gryffindor.-- 14:08, 25 March 2006 (EST)

JKR has stated in interview that all 4 marauders (Pettigrew, Black, Lupin, Potter) were in Gryffindor house. Death Eater Dan (Muahaha) 19:22, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Well then, ...I'm at a loss to explain how that could be.--18:42, 25 March 2006 (EST)

[edit] Blood

Rowling has said "Muggle borns are not allowed to be Death Eaters, except in rare circumstances". Since Wormtail would certainly be a rare circumstance (a spy and everything), I changed the Blood purity in the infobox to "Unknown". Laur 09:42, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Book 4 plans

I will rewrite the following part:

"Recently, on Rowling's website, it was revealed the Pettigrew was intended to be the imposter Mad-Eye Moody who taught Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher during Harry's fourth year. Ultimately it was changed to Barty Crouch Jr."

IMO, this is not proven at all. The only thing mentioned on the website was, that Peter at one time should have been DADA teacher, there's no word about him impersonating Moody. Besides, if you look there's a strong possibility that the imperonation plot was once planned for book 5, or what does "Mylor Silvanus person. Oakden Hobday" mean. Neville Longbottom 09:55, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Huh? What in the world were you saying by "Mylor Silvanus person. Oakden Hobday"? And it might be better to just leave out the fact that JKR originally planned something more/different for the character (that perhaps may have been changed for a very good reason). It's not all that relevant, it is just a very small tidbit of what is basically trivia. Tell me if you agree. Emily 00:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pettigrew's Loyalties

I can't help thinking that some sort of loyalty to Harry Potter should be added in the loyalty box - as referenced in the "debt" or "bond" related to Harry's sparing his life, even though The Goblet of Fire implied that his loyalty to Voldemort trumped that bond. --Tim4christ17 12:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Being "loyal" implies, as the definition states, being unswerving in allegiance, and allegiance is devotion or loyalty to a person, group, or cause. Even though Wormtail will repay Harry Potter, and possibly even started to show some concern for him by suggesting that Voldemort use someone else, he has not been "unswerving in allegiance", because being devoted to Harry would be against Voldemort- and Wormtail tied Harry to a gravestone, forcibly took blood from Harry's arm, and revived Harry's worst nightmare. Talk about NOT being loyal to Harry! Emily 19:58, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

The loyalty may yet be resolved in Book 7! --Maxl 14:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merging from Scabbers article

There has been a merge template on the Scabbers article for some time. There were only about three pieces of information or clarification in that article which weren't in this article, so I just went ahead. Telsa (talk) 17:38, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Umm, doesn't merging the articles kinda leave a huge, unwarned and impossible to avoid spoiler for anyone wanting infomation on Scabbers, but hasn't yet read Prisoner of Azkaban? 222.152.111.41 02:21, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, Wikipedia is not censored for spoilers (see also Spoiler warning), so if people are looking for information and don't want spoilers, they should probably try somewhere else that is spoiler-free. Jude (talk,contribs,email) 07:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't see anywhere in either of those that says WP is NOT spoiler free... Anyway, I wasn't around when this discussion took place, so I'd like to reopen it. I disagree with the merge. Having a redirect link from Scabbers to Peter is a very big giveaway. -- Jokes Free4Me 13:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

The Scabbers article has clearly stated that he is Peter Pettigrew for nearly two years. The two were overdue for a merge. --Telsa (talk) 07:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pettigrew's house in Hogwarts

Peter is one of the few evil wizards who are not from Slytherin House.

We don't know from which house he is. He might even be from Slytherin. --Maxl 14:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

It was discussed above in the talkpage, that all four marauders were from Gryffindor. Disinclination 21:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scabbers Spoiler

This is a reopen of the spoiler issue. Instead of two seperate articles, what if we created a page that warns of a spoiler before even reaching the page? For example:

This search may lead to a spoiler. Consider finishing Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban before continuing. To continue click Here.

John Reaves 15:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I like the idea - it's rather clever. However, in order for it to work, the click would have to lead to an article entitled something like Secret Identities in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. Which is rather unwieldy. Michaelsanders 16:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

The idea is that by clicking you are spoiling the surprise. So it should go straight to Pettigrew. John Reaves 16:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Then I don't get it. Could you please explain it more thoroughly? How would it work? Michaelsanders 16:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

You receive the warning, and if you chose to continue (and spoil Scabbers/Pettigrew) you click the word "here" John Reaves 20:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

How do you set that up, then? Michaelsanders 21:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Pretend that you just searched for Scabbers or Peter Pettigrew and click here. This is a proposal of what it could look like. John Reaves 22:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

John, we agree on this one, but unfortunately, this has been extensively discussed at WP:SPOILER and WP:NDT. Take a look at how the Tom Riddle article used to look like. That is what it would ideally look like now IMO (of course with a little bit more info), and that is how the Scabbers article would look; however, our discussion here is not going to be of much use. We had a long discussion on it here not too long ago; then it died down, and I tried to revive it again but nobody's said anything; it may require an WP:RFC. You may want to (scan through) Wikipedia_talk:Spoiler_warning/RfC. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 03:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I've requested a comment. It would be fine with a soft redirect. I've already read those pages, I just thought the furor had died down enough to recreate. John Reaves 03:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with the merge.

Although Wikipedia is not spoiler-free, the "Spoiler Alerts" make it seem as such. any one searching information and seeking knowledge is welcome in Wikipedia. I believe that John Reaves's Idea is a very good one. (An Israli Wikipedian with no English account)

I agree that a soft redirect is the best idea. Briefly talk about Scabbers as Ron's pet, then say something like, "Scabbers, however, is not all he seems. See Peter Pettigrew." ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)} 16:07, 29 November 2006 (UTC)