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[edit] streaming media

If you need to make revisions to the page, try to do so in the context of conversation with industry experts.

I'm not sure I understand why the fact that Wikipedia more be exported to another media or analog format has any influence on web links contained within the online version.

A sidenote is that every "Listening and Viewing Streaming Media Site" on this article is commercial. Chainsaw delete them all.

You've given me an incredibly negative impression of the community here, perfecto. Ihatelaserbeams 00:00, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zee (The Matrix)

No kidding about the reverting back. The assumption that Zee doesn't qualify as a minor character in the "Matrix" films is laughable. She's the wife of the pilot, the sister of slain brothers Tank and Dozer, and a fighter in the Siege. If characters like Cas, Sati and Dozer can have their own pages, there's no reason why Zee shouldn't have a page. If you're going to delete her page, then you may as delete 1/2 of the pages relating to "Matrix" characters. At least that would be fair. Rattlerbrat 03:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chicken McNugget

On Chicken McNugget you wrote:

A McNugget Number is defined as a number obtainable by adding together the pieces of orders of McDonald's Chicken McNuggets.

I don't understand, can you explain this a bit more? Edward 13:09, 2005 Feb 13 (UTC)

[edit] Powerbuildermajiger

Hey, I just posted the following in Template talk:Major programming languages small in response to your edit, care to comment?

I took out Powerbuilder, can anyone attest to this being a major programming language? I visited its website and Wikipedia article, and I'm not convinced it's notable. —Sean κ. ⇔ 23:41, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Freecycle

I don't think it indicates bias that I remove links to articles that don't exist. At least that was not my intention. I will put them back. But if I come back in a month and they are still red, I might remove them (or hope that someone else does).

--Manchineel 14:16, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Babel User sgn template

Hello, I reverted your edit to the 'User sgn-1' template. The template is designed with a parameter. How to use it inside the babel-5 template is explained here. The idea is to allow the user to specify which sign language they know, eg {{User sgn-1|Filipino Sign Language}}. I can do it for you if you like. Just let me know which sign language to put in the parameter. If you want to change the template to get rid of the parameter, then can we discuss it here? cheers :) ntennis 00:56, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Olivaw

He doesn't appear in Foundation's Edge. So no he is not in all of the newer Foundation books, but he is in more than just two. So the article could say some like "he appears in all of the newer Foundation books, except for Foundation's Edge"--Moosh88 03:33, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

You are right, my mistake.--Moosh88 04:38, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] list of social networking services

hi Perfecto, on the List of Social Network Services page, ... of course not! not at all! thanks :) (i replied on my talk page to keep the flow) Xah Lee 06:47, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Network marketing companies

I left Fortune Hi-Tech because I wasn't really paying attention— I was focused on the Shaklee description tthat had become puffy and flowery. I've just removed Fortune Hi-Tech's description, because it's so vague I can't figure out what they do. No favoritism towards any MLM company was intended, I assure you. :) tregoweth 18:26, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] KEEP

Keep the list - very useful.

[edit] Your sig

Would you consider removing the flag from your signature. I don't think it's nice that I have to download the image everytime I visit a page you have signed. It can't be good for the servers either.--Commander Keane 18:45, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

It's 265 bytes long. Your browser caches it, and Wikipedia's squid servers cache it, too. In comparison, Special:Watchlist, which you probably visit several times a day, is over 35,000 bytes long. Your browser can't cache it, and Wikipedia's squid servers can't, too. That can't be good for the servers either. I'll pay you for the flag's bandwidth — send me the bill. Thank you. -- Perfecto 19:14, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
OK then. Out of interest, is the rendering effect significant. You seem to be an expert on these things.--Commander Keane 07:36, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
I've dealt with New Vision in a way I thought appropriate, cheers for pointing it out.--Commander Keane 16:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re : commercial links

Hello. Thanks for letting me know about that [I put a link for free invites in the Orkut article] and saw that it was tagged by you. I didn't know we couldn't include the links; gonna read the urls you sent me, thanks. : )

[edit] Links Version 2.0

Heh - the link I added was not commercial. Yes it was a link to a site I'm associated with but it was very much relevant to the topic.

Wikipedia has an entire entry devoted to bianca.com which has, off and on, been a commercial service.

On to Talker - for example it was listed on the "What's Cool" list back during the b.9 (pre 1.0) Netscape Navigator era. It was also referenced in Eugene Eric Kim's "CGI Programming Unleashed" book as an example of "dynamic room creation" for web based chat sites. It was one of the first and is one of the oldest chat sites on the web - not just another link. The current examples included Yahoo and AOL and I didn't see the harm in adding a true browser-based service with historical relevance to the resources. ~shrugs~ I guess an article devoted to Talker would be more appropriate but Talker is already occupied by some details on MUDs and I'm not quite sure how to do a disambiguation page yet.

[edit] Thanks Perfecto

I have taken your advice and created a user account for future use. Am new to this so will learn as much as I can between now and next updates. Thanks for your help getting the gay marketing page sorted out - looks very good now.

[edit] Thanks Perfecto

For the heads up. I moved it from the main namespace to mine.

Image:Barnstar.png

Happy Holidays! εγκυκλοπαίδεια*(talk) 03:04, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Walking Game Page

Perfecto, why are you so opposed to the page on "the walking game". It is not fair to just so strongly wish for a legitimate page to be deleted. Have some mercy and understanding for a teenaged passion such as this and let it stay. Please this page is not causing disruption and I can assure you that it is not "vandalism" -Don Burns, Don Burns 14:43, 28 November 2005 (UTC) 216.185.84.246 14:42, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Perfecto, why make this mistake...the walking game is a game played by teenagers. It is a legacy and something quintessantial of teenagers today. Why take that away?- A-Rob User:anr325

[edit] {{db-bio}}

Thanks for pointing me to {{db-bio}} - appreciated. Humansdorpie 19:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Possible copyright infringement

Thanks for alerting me to my possible error. I did not knowingly use copyright material but will check more carefully in the future. Furry 10:04, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nhbradio and various other related (low quality) articles

I'm sorry on behalf of all these articles that popped up, most of the listeners to NHB Radio are not very mature... I am a listener to the station, but am disappointed at the quality of these articles, and as such, I will attempt to correct and refine only the Nhbradio article. — Striker 02:32, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

I apologize if this is the wrong area to post this in. I would also like to apologize for anything I contributed on this subject. The radio station lacks any kind of sources to site concerning it's history anywhere on the internet, and I don't claim to be an expert. Striker is obviously a more skilled wikipedia user than I so I won't be making anymore contributions (most likely on anything). Again so sorry. Wikipedia is a very nice tool and I am very happy such a tool exists. I don't want to be the cause of any quality degredation. — User:Acid Rain 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hows it going!

Thanks for welcoming me! JedOs 03:37, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] How do you edit your signature?

How did you edit your signature, perfecto? --JedOs 09:27, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
for some reason, this isnt working, [[User:JedOs | <FONT SIZE="2"><FONT COLOR="#000000">J</FONT><FONT COLOR="#1f3f00">e</FONT><FONT COLOR="#3f7f00">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#5ebe00">O</FONT><FONT COLOR="#7cfc00">s</FONT> ]] [[Image:Lily2.png|20px]]

[edit] strange msg

Please do not add commercial links — or links to your own private websites — to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. See the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. -- Perfecto Canada 01:53, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I beg your pardon ? a commercial link ? where did I put a commercial link ??

all link i added to wikipedia are links to AFPY.org, wich is a User group about Python, not a personal page either a commercial page...

please tell me wich page you're talking about

(replied via email -- Perfecto 17:47, 5 December 2005 (UTC))

[edit] Tags

The general rule is that tags that warn the reader belong in the article, but those only directed at editors belong on talk pages. Thus {{NPOV}} belongs in articles, as readers need to be warned that an article might be biased, but something like {{COTW}} definitely belongs on the talk page, as readers would have no idea what it means. There is some debate about {{unsourced}}, on its talk page there is a long running poll which has long been pretty much tied. A compromise, which seems to be working, is to have it at the bottom of articles. - SimonP 04:57, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks, Perfecto

I appreciate the welcome!

I see that you have been active at the virtual community page, particularly in the examples list. I posted this question (in a roundabout way) on its Talk page:

Would an internal link to Psycho-Babble (virtual community) be acceptable in the VC examples list? The real Babble fits the VC description exactly.

Thanks. (At your suggestion, I'll put some content on my User page soon.) –Flopzee 01:53, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Help on article deletion

thanks for your welcome and help regarding Distraction! -- Roaming 18:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

re: If you want, you can contact me regarding BMI. -- Perfecto Canada 19:05, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
yes i want!, please review this deleted article about business model innovation,
maybe i have to post it on WP:DRV , but i would be glad if it is enough to talk here.
should be about 2000 keystrokes long. i worked hard on it, intended later expansion.
deleted by another admin
as anyone can edit here, anyone could improve or change my work or discuss it.
impossible after deletion.
New article deletion without discussion on the discussion page
should cancel admin's rights in my point of view Roaming 18:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] N/A

I see. Ok. Bdelisle 03:57, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your nick

Hi,

I've just noticed your nick in my watchlist, and was wondering did it refer to the concept of being perfect, the saint Perfecto, or to Paul Oakenfold's record label/pseudonym. Or none of them at all. Just drunkenly wonder. --Kiand 03:32, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Oops, hadn't quite thought of that as a possibility.... --Kiand 03:38, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] aerial glorious

When i first heard this term i had no idea what it meant. Webster didn't tell me anything and i could find no source on the web that stated what the phrase meant.

Fortunately i found a book that told me about it so i decided to post it on the web.

the book is Latin for Dummies

[edit] Another addition

I noticed that the Grimms Fairy tales section has many stories missing.

I actually have these books and am wondering if it would be alright to put them on wikipedia

[edit] Irish Catholic Rebels

Thanks for the advice - I hadn't noticed that this page had already been put up for deletion. Camillustalk|contribs 23:10, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] iWiW

You put a label on the article iWiW about notability. I edit mainly the Hungarian wiki so I'm not familiar with this. There are some Hungarian articles linked: hu:iwiw. The service has over 200000 users and nowadays in Hungary there are about 2-300000 internet subscribers. I think it's a well know and popular service here. orkut was introduced in Hungary as a rival of iwiw. -nagytibi ! ? 22:00, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ISBNdb.com's notability

I think ISBNdb.com is notable enough if not for the amount of visitors then for being the only independent site that provides a free API to the quite extensive books database. I am going to remove notability tag, feel free to reinsert it. I will not remove it second time around if you insist on your point of view. Up to you. Thanx for giving it a thought!

[edit] Dear P. from: Leo Collin 11:31, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

hello. i just wanted to let you know that i didn't come here becuase you had deleted something or edited something down to a few sentences from a few paragraphs. in fact, came here because i saw a little canadian flag next to your name on myspace talk and was like "huh? a canadian, eh?". and so here i am. by the way... what is the walking game? I make a link thing and it turns red, not blue, and then i tried a search for it on this here wikipedia, but guess what? i couldn't find anything. so, i was wondering. could you enlighten me as to what the walking game is, i would sure like to know. thanks. Leo Collin 09:23, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

ok, so i went and read Don Burns talk page, (just want you to know that) and now i have a follow up question to the first one i asked. how significant does something need to be in order to have a space/spot here on wikipedia? like if i posted an article about the matting habits of monarch butterflys, that would be relevant, correct? but if i post something about a game called beer pong, which many college students in the us play, would that be relevent, or would it not because only college students play it? i hope you understand what i'm trying to say here. its quite late, its finals week, and i'm tried.LVC Leo Collin 09:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
haha, yeah. funny thing is right after i posted the thing about beer pong, i was like, hmmmmm... maybe there already is a thing on beer pong, and holy crap. i can't believe there is that much to worry about when playing beer pong. i thought it was as simple as just throwing the pong into the opponents cup. haha, guess not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_curves_of_stabilityLeo Collin 11:31, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi there again. Have a new question for you. I was working on this article, and was interviewing this band to complete it, and while i was waiting this guy took over the article and just copied from the bands website two paragraphs about them and pasted that into the wikipedia article. whats the deal with people who don't take the time to actually write up an original aritcle but just copy and paste something from somewhere else on the net? is that acceptable or is that considered vandalism? Leo Collin 07:11, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About your message

Hi.

I'm quite new to wikipedia let alone edit a page. I have recently edited List_of_email_clients to add a web mail client.

But I received your message that it has been deleted due to me adding a link to a commercial site or a link of my own web page. In my edit I added 'Ilohamail' as one of the email web client, now that is one GPL application and is not my own creation. The site of the email client is at http://ilohamail.org/

I gave it external link due to there was no wikipedia page found for the email client, and I thought I wasn't good enough to write up the page, yes I can start the page, but being an early user, I thought I'd rather link it to the official site instead than write up a rough page.

I just didn't get your point on your message of the reason of the deletion, please be clear and I will try to abide by the rules, but I just did not get the point clear enough for the deletion.

It'll be glad to hear, what I can actually do to add a valid entry in the page. Right now I am an unregistered user, and I'm recieving out of my IP, maybe soon I will register and will let you know. But by then, feel free to answer me to the IP, I have it as my own static IP on my ownself, so no one will read it.

By the way, I hope you read the webmail's webpage and doing this, because if this is just a way to delete a valid entry, I'm very disappointed at how it is carried on. And I will paste it for your reference, in case you didn't even read.

---

- What is IlohaMail?

IlohaMail (pronounced: e-lo-ha-mail) is a light weight yet full featured multilingual webmail program that is easy to use and install. It runs on a stock build of PHP, and does not require databases (although database support is available) or the IMAP library (it is powered by a custom IMAP/POP3 library).

- License

IlohaMail is released under the General Public License (GPL). You may download it, use it, deploy it, re-distribute it, or feed it to your dog as you wish, free of charge. However, donations are greatly appreciated.

---

Made a user for myself as Sithgunner, feel free to use that user to contact me.

---

Thank you for reply, but I'd hoped you show me what was wrong in the first place than cut/paste some statement you use often, which wasn't the case for me about being commercial or my own personal site's link...

And from what you said, are you implying I should rather not even link to the official site if there is no page to wikipedia entry? Sorry but your response was unclear to what I should do to add a valid web mail client in the page.

This is a bit confusing to earlier wikipedia editor, but I hope you can make it clear.

---

OK. I don't know what to do when every external link is treated as commercial and unrelated links due to the amount of those actually posted on wikipedia...

I will let the more 'advanced' editors take care of what can be done to give any reference to it. Now I just made an entry 'without' any sort of link, just the text entry, so at least people can use google and find out...which does sound nonsense, but I guess that's how you want it be. Maybe one day I check about it more and give it a dedicated page on wikipedia.

It would've been better if you said that external link in the article section is completely not allowed, or you're just deleting every external link because it is time taking to check which is a valid entry anyway... In the first case, I'd shut myself up in the very early time...if that's how wikipedia page rules are.

In any case, less information is better than more information with errors... if that's what it is about...

[edit] Rijkswerf, Amsterdam

On the Dutch Wikipedians' notice board, you asked if Rijkswerf, Amsterdam (linked to from Albatros (ship)) is "another name for a place" I don't know if someone has already answered that question, but I can tell you that the Rijkswerf is a former shipyard in Amsterdam. Aecis praatpaal 21:06, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

The article about the ship is now at Albatross (ship, built in 1920) --Ibn Battuta 20:27, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My apologies.

As requested I have ceased updating. I apologize for my rapid activities. There were numerous insignificant gaps that I wished to fill in regards to the main article I posted that, although interesting, are not integral to its content, or to the understanding by a common user. I apologize and any further addition will be brought up with you or another appropriate moderating force.

Thank you very much, I will of course, reconsolidate the material appropriately. I am new to this process, but I am a rapid learner. Please allow me two to three days to do so, after which extraneous pages may be deleted, and I will patch the article accordingly.


[edit] Could you watch this?

You replied skeptically to the entry on Psycho-Babble (virtual community) I have tried to make of it an encyclopedic article, regardless its apparent vanity origins. But now fans of the forum are assertively advancing their internal issues in the context of what has become a reasonably balanced article. I nominated it for protection, but it would be helpful if it could be preserved in a reasonably accurate, coherent forum whether or not it is protected. I am explaining each of my edits on the talk page. Can you help? One editor is becoming a bit of a vandal, most recently deleting the entire article. ProveReader 22:39, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sebastian Bohnen

Hi. Can I just comment? Your reply is too high-falutin and intimidating to the newcomer. If he has delusions of grandeur, the least he needs is someone belittling his importance. After all, he did little damage. Thank you for listening. -- Perfecto 01:23, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Hm, you might be right. I'll see if I can tone down my comments and make them "newcomer friendly". =) — TheKMantalk 01:29, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] USS Puffer (SSN-652)

I am concerned about your recent edit to USS Puffer (SSN-652). You have recently stated that certain additions to this article were in copyright violation [1] however if you check the site you have listed at http://www.usspuffer.org/puffer/ships_history_ssn652.html at the bottom there exists a note that says, note: This history was taken from the Deactivation Booklet passed out at the Deactivation Cerimony which took place in San Diego, CA on 08 Sept 1995. Puffer was deacommisioned in Bremerton, WA on 12 July 1996.

If that is indeed the case, then the booklet was likely produced by the US Navy, in which case the material therein is public domain and cannot be copyrighted. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 00:32, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Remake articles, don't "recreate" them

The verb "to recreate" does have the meaning "to remake" that you assert it does not. This is in addition to its meaning of "to take recreation". From the OED:

recreate, v.2

trans. To create anew.

1587 GOLDING De Mornay Ep. Ded. **ij, Gods wisedome in creating thinges..nor his goodnesse in recreating or renewing them. 1609 J. DAVIES Holy Roode Civ, Nor was't alone for his owne glorie meer That he did man create, or re-create. 1679 PENN Addr. Prot. II. v. (1692) 190 They had almost need to be Re-Created in order to be Converted. [...]

Similarly:

recreation2

The action of creating again; a new creation.

1522 World & Child Ciiijb, Christ,..That craftly made euery creature by good recreacyon. 1584 R. SCOT Discov. Witchcr. V. ii. (1886) 74 But to what end should one dispute against these creations and recreations? 1611 BP. HALL Serm. v. 52 As in the Creation he could have made all at once, but he would take days for it: so in our recreation by grace. [...]

I'm afraid this is one prescription that you will have to recant.

86.137.100.54 01:49, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Perfecto,

With regards the note you left on my user page - I only resorted to editing your page as you have not responded to the above message (written by me before I opened an account) in a fortnight. I assumed you would not, since you have responded to many other messages in that time.

Given that you are making a false prescription, I thought it best that anyone reading it could be fully informed. This was not intended to be provocative, and nor was it a "substantial" edit: I could have simply removed the incorrect section, but instead deliberately kept my intrusion to a minimum. I am glad, however, that it has caught your attention.

Soobrickay 11:39, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Extreme ironing

Hi Perfecto,

You added an original-research tag to the extreme ironing article, yet this article is referenced. If you take a look at the references they do check out - I've seen the Channel 4 documentary and checked the book's ISBN. Could you elaborate on your reasons for doing this on the talk page? Or maybe just remove the tag?

Thanks!

Cedars 13:27, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Addition I just read your introduction and since you're okay with other's editing your work I'll just remove the tag. Cheers. Cedars 13:42, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

True, they definitely were not formal references and I was probably overreacting. As obscure as it is, extreme ironing is a real, albeit very light-hearted, phenomeon. I felt the Wikipedia article captured this and was therefore quite impressed with the article. The video, like many television documentaries, is probably not available for general sale to public but it is subject to syndication (and appears occasionally on FOX Sports where I first saw it). If you really want you can re-add the tag, but it is a real phenomenon. Cedars 00:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Invite :)

Thanks for welcoming me !!! --No one 14:50, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cthuhlu Edit

That wasn't my personal webpage, nor a commercial link. It was a bookmark I had on my computer, that I had found a few months ago about the Mythos. I didn't add MY webpage to anything, I just thought it would be a good addition for people looking for more information.

[edit] BXML

I have put this one up for AfD as the content has considerably improved. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BXML. FireFox 15:41, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Free domain name

Thanks for letting me know. I think that if the article is rewritten, there will be hardly enough info left for an article of its own. If people support it on the talk page (or at least, not be against it), I'll be bold about merging. (AfD is still about deletion, not merging) --dcabrilo 01:27, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vermilion, Ohio

Perfecto, Is there a reason you keep insisting on changing the Vermilion, Ohio contents? The additions are not copyrighted - they were written by me. No commercial content or links were added. DiscoverVermilion.com is not copyrighted. I know because I wrote it myself. One of the biggest attractions/educational centers in Vermilion is WAF, so its inclusion on the page is very relevent.

[edit] I am the original author - (from Jcoop)

I am the original author of the material that appears from the "copyrighted" page in question, and have already provided Wikipedia with an e-mail authorizing Wikipedia's re-use and re-publication of this material.

Therefore, either please contact me or restore the original material as submitted. Thank you. Jcoop 10:41, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your error

You have clearly and erroneously presumed that because I indicated I am the author of the piece in question, that I am also the subject. You are in error. I am not the subject of the posting, nor related to that individual.

Your objection is therefore without merit. Now unless you have other objections, kindly refrain from further interference with the submission. 10:20, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thothica

Hi Perfecto - I just want to let you know that the intent of the Thothica entry here WAS to be informative and not intentionally a self-promotion thing. A quick search through the wikipedia entries turns up a large number of similar articles - many which are much more 'commercial' than the thothica one. Does size/popularity really make that ok? that's a bit where i do get a bit frustrated because regardless, there is the real effect of 'exposure' here, whether or not if intended or who the presumed author is. i sincerely feel that if the Thothica article is inappropriate, then so are dozens of others. and I do NOT see the article's presence here as 'promotion'. Rather, i think it explains and discusses a new type of, or approach to, online community environment(s), and only those looking for information on those subjects would be likely to come across it.

anyway, as i said in the discussion about the proposed deletion, I'm not going to fight it any more. i just wanted to make myself understood. i hope you see where i really AM coming from, and not where i somehow 'seem' to be coming.

regarding the 'uniqueness' and 'utility' suggestion for the web-guidelines, i think you need SOMETHING to balance out the (very) arbitrary system in place based on popularity and web-rankings. from what i can see, the numbers were just pulled out of the air, and not based on any research -- and in any case, such rankings will generally favor large companies and organizations over small...many of which the public also deserves to know about.

take care...

[ note: no ill feelings here, just a bit of frustration at what i see as a misunderstanding based on limited communication. i hope the same from ur side. ] BobbyRay 05:49, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] KarlHofmann

Hi Perfecto,

>Please do not add commercial links — or links to your own >private websites — to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle >for advertising or a mere collection of external links. >See the welcome page if you would like to learn more about >contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks.

I wrote this article about detecting and embedding Flash with valid W3C code because there are many Flash Websites out there that would have earned to be better listed on search-engines. I thought an encyclopedia should have good and free articles helping things to be better described, more reliable for anyone who wants to take care of Flash Websites. But you tell me that this is wrong and I couldn't do this. I feel sorry about that.

Greetings from Germany - yours sincerely, Karl Hofmann

[edit] King Abdullah of Jordan

The mediation toook me by surprise as well. Dominick (TALK) 19:28, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re : BXML

Hi Perfecto,

3 merge, 2 keep, 2 delete. 3 newuser votes discounted. Majority 43%. No consensus hence, defaulting to keep. If you need further clarification, let me know on my talkpage.

- Cheers, Mailer Diablo 19:33, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Merge ≠ Delete. Merge means to transfer content to another article, then delete/redirect. There's quite a difference. - Regards, Mailer Diablo 19:41, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
    • I'm sorry, but this is really a clear case of no consensus. The majority has to be delete votes before an article can be deleted. At best, you may want to boldly merge the article to another article as per VfD majority, and redirect. - Regards, Mailer Diablo 19:59, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


Just sos you know the site I added the link of is one I have been trying to destroy for years now. Mostly by making it high enough profile by getting them suied. Sorry, though, my bad Le Blue Dude 02:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Martyr's Day

The article you put of czbrats.com is the same text as the one in the references written by eric jackson. Radioheadhst 04:59, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

First edit of '06. Hey how do I get a list of the different user category box {{User en}} options? I see users with these boxes like this one below, but I don't know how to find the list of the different boxes you can use.

[edit] Social networking...

Thanks for your comment... I am aware Alexa ranking is not the only measure of WP:WEB, that was just one such indication which leads me to believe EthicalNetwork is not sufficiently notable. What I was getting at is that before an article is written of EthicalNetwork, there is no assertion of notability stated. As far as I'm concerned, EthicalNetwork should not be added to the list (whose, I believe, inclusion criteria should be that websites achieve WP:WEB) until such time as it's notability is established. Since it's not a well-known site, and has a low Alexa ranking, that means an article needs to be written first, asserting it's notability. I disagree with keeping it listed before the article is written, but I will do as you say and cease reverting it's inclusion to allow time for the article to be created. Happy New Year! └UkPaolo/talk┐ 09:39, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cthuhlu Edit

This is where I found the page. http://www.creepysites.com/ On the weird section, posted to it Tuesday, July 12th, 2005. It was linked to through a comedy page I go to called dribbleglass. Found on the weird links. before the site was redone it was one of a clickable link, I found this: http://members.shaw.ca/csstrowbridge/Tulzscha/MainPage.htm on there, was reading the cthulhu mythos wikipage and went looking for the Tulzscha page again, because I thought it had good information, that is all, it is not my page, nor the page of anybody I know. It is nice to know you refuse information and resources just because it LOOKS like the poster MAYBE created it.

[edit] wpspam

Thanks for the heads up, looks interesting! Tufflaw 07:10, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] k-fee

Thanks for the whole edit thing on my k-fee page. You helped make it a more solid article that way. Although I enjoyed doing it myself, I'm sure it will be beneficial to many others out there looking for that article. -Shinobi101 10:54, Jan 2, 2006

[edit] wpspam invite

Thanks for the wpspam invite. I had not seen the project and could use some suggestions for fighting it. Won't be available to follow-up for a few days - have added it to my user page so I remember:) ChemGardener 20:22, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can you please be more specific about editing raw food page?

Perfecto,

Can you please be more specific about editing raw food page?

Changes proposed dealt with adding info about Gabriel Cousens (author) and Cherie Soria (author). Both have centers for learning raw-food prep. Gabriel Cousens, as mentioned in the article is one of the leading researchers in raw food with his work in dark-field microscopy.

[edit] Not a commercial link

Its not a commercial link, buddy.

[edit] Sorry Perfecto!

So sorry Perfecto! I totally agree that the OFFICIAL How I Met Your Mother site should come first (although I think CBS does a HORRIBLE job with their show sites. ABC does a great job.) Anyways, I am sorry for causing you trouble. Warmest and happy holidays.

[edit] Newcomer contribution

Yeah, I'm kinda aware that I was too harsh. ANd I should probably not've been visitin wikipedia yesterday, had a bad day. -- vidarlo 21:23, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Commercial sites?

I'm confused. I found a comment from you on my talk page today about commercial links, but not sure why it was left. Did you leave it for the wrong user by accident? Neil

Ah, wait! Looking at your edit history I get it. I got spammed by either you, or your bot. How ironic. Anyway, just because I made a ton of edits in a row as a new user doesn't mean I was adding commercial links. I was doing disambiguation. Thank you for your kind introduction to Wikipedia though.
Oh, and don't forget, if you have spare time you can help! --Neil 06:58, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

>>Please do not add commercial links << Ooops! Sorry 'bout that...I read the spam section you referred me to and NOW I understand what I did wrong. One question though....why are there companies listed in this section? Are they added only by those outside of those companies? Yes, I do work for BNI. And yes we do make a videoconferencing product. I happen to be one of the developers and very familiar with the H.323 standard…that's what brought me to the page in the first place. I was reading for content and I noticed that under the heading "Echo cancellation" the phrases "which is introduced by the travel time of digital voice over the network connecting the two VTC devices" and "(usually significantly delayed)". These two phrases give an incorrect impression of how echo cancellation actually works. The Echo Cancellation algorithm must account for the delay between when the audio is rendered from the output (speakers) and when it is picked up by the input (microphone). This delay period can be small, as in the case of speakers place facing the microphone, or quite large (speed of sound wise), as in the case were the sound reflects off the far end of a large room before returning to the microphone. The " usually significantly delayed" refers to sound originating at endpoint "A", rendered at endpoint "B", picked up by the microphone at "B" and retransmitted back to "A", and rendered at endpoint "A". In this case the problem CAN NOT be fixed by proper echo cancellation at point "A", but can be remedied by proper echo cancellation at point "B". The phrase "significant delay" actually refers to twice the "one way latency" (or the total time between when the sound is created to when it is rendered on the far end) and is doubled because of the travel time from "A" to "B" and from "B" back to "A". BNIGuy 22:55, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About comm links

i think you should delete it too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winpopup_LAN_Messenger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akeni http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Sametime

you have deleted the links to articles that has been useful for thousands of people. if the page have the google adsence or have placing on the commercial server it is commercial link? so, i don't want to contribute any more information for wikipedia. thank you for saving my time.

ps. recheck your network knowledge , you have returned several errors in the redacted articles.

[edit] so...

you have different standards that depends from your feelings? very good point for free encyclopedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winpopup_LAN_Messenger commercial product created by the author of this product. You have deleted pages about commercial product lantalk, why not fomine winpopup_lan_messenger?

the articles at my site is step-by-step with screenshots. most users does not understand the text at ms pages. they would not write to me "many thanks" if ms rocks with articles.

good luck with your work

I am not original author of ShixxNOTE LAN Messenger but I am familiar of the program (use it) and I contact original author for rights to re-wrote article about a program. I try to help him to make article that is appropriate to wikki, but nevertheless I re-wrote article on my own words, it is speed deleted, including Talk:ShixxNOTE_LAN_Messenger so people like you, could not find that article is already re-writen by someone else. --Moravek 14:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] one more

maybe wikipedia is "free encyclopedia about free things" ? Maybe you need to think about adding the google link( to search) if some term/name/etc is undefined in wikipedia. as I know google help wikipedia. Otherwise it looks like dictionary that closed from within with chopped off links to the other world.

[edit] Template:Notability

I've just run across it and have to say I'm not keen on this template. To me it appears to be POV and also seems to lean more heavily on the guidelines and proposed guidelines than it should. However, I'm open to discussing the matter. I lean more towards the notion that Wikipedia:Verifiability is more important than any idea of notability, and that if an article is verifiable through reputable sources then it merits inclusion in wikipedia. Has the template any demonstrable consensus behind it? Steve block talk 09:13, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Addendum: I notice we have {{Not verified}}, would that not also, and perhaps better, suit your purpose? It seems far more balanced and built upon policy rather than guideline. Steve block talk 09:20, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Please feel very welcome to bring it to TfD so those who delete nn articles all the time can comment. If you're not interested in discussing the issue with me then I will obviously consider that as an option. Thank you for your response. Steve block talk 11:53, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that link. Are you then agreeable to limiting the template to only listing WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC and WP:FICTION at the present time, since those are the only pages listed there. Steve block talk 14:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Hah, I don't tend to insist either. WP:CORP and WP:WEB are still in the proposal stage to my eyes, in fact WP:WEB is in the middle of a rewrite at WP:WEB as we speak. I hadn't actually noticed that section of deletion policy, so it's probably best if I retreat swiftly, admit I was wrong and say have a nice day. Sorry to have troubled you. Steve block talk 16:26, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Who has deleted it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LanTalk_NET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LanTalk_XP

[edit] wpspam

Thanks for the invite. I have added myself to the list of participants. --Sleepyhead 14:08, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] replied to your reply

I replied to your reply on wikiproject spam talk. Please read, Thanks!--Urthogie 22:20, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] what now

How much more data does the REMAGINE wiki comment need, I can go on forever pulling up articles. Various Programming projects that have been used, newspaper adds.

[edit] Sorry

Sorry didnt mean to come off too strong, it just seems like this user/company does not get the point, however it my "my bad" for going overboard =). Onthost 03:30, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Perfecto,

I am of course new to this whole wikipedia thing; experienced in writing though. Glad somebody is checking on something! Thanks, Sina2

[edit] wikiproject spam talk

you said "done," but i cant seem to find a template for spam sections?--Urthogie 12:28, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Link Removed

Dear Perfecto,

I am writing in response to the external link that was removed earlier today from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_wrap. We have spent a great deal of time over the past few weeks trying to write a resource (www.packagingprice.com/packagingguide/packagingguide.cfm) for people interested in best practices in packaging their products. We understand that Wikipedia is not a vehicle for commercial links. However, we truly feel that this page contains valuable information for readers, and respectfully request that you leave it up as a resource. If you feel differenly, can you please let me know why? Thanks in advance for your input.


[edit] Hey Perfecto

Hey, You told me that TutorialFX was a commerical link. I dont seem to see how that label fits this site, they dont even have links. I also submitted GreyCobra which you allowed. Why GreyCobra and not TutorialFX?

Henry

[edit] Re: Tutorialfx

Hey, Thanks for letting me add it. I just figured it was non commercial. Most of those listed there dont have articles. Insted they have tutorials. example: http://www.tutorialfx.com/view_tutorial.php?id=4


Henry

[edit] Script for Alexa links

I wrote a script for your request at Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts - hope it's useful! Matthewmayer 01:18, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, you're right, it doesn't like coexisting with the other scripts. I'll try and make a better version at some point! Matthewmayer 01:08, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Daleks and Pink Floyd

Dear Perfecto, Kindly read the article on Daleks used byPink Floyd discussion.If the write-up is okay please put it with Mr.Screen in Pink Floyd article.Incidentally,I could not find any relaible information to verify the existence of Mr.Screen. thanks again for the links on Kai Power Tools,I shall keep you informed on MetaCreations.Shine On..--asydwaters 14:32, 9 January 2006 (UTC) "Hi, I noticed that you questioned the credibility of my article on "Small Town Murder." Small town murder is indeed an unsigned band that is certainly not on allmusic, but all of the information I have provided is correct, and my source is the band itself. I hope you are not questioning its worth on wikipedia, for it does provide information about a band, regardless of how many people want the information.If you want proof that the information is from the band, you may want to view my myspace page and notice the multiple comments back and forth STM and I exchange. I am close friends with every member, and I used to live with one of them, James, to be exact. You may also see many comments from James on my page. If need be, I can have them contact someone on wikipedia themselves. Please respond to this before you consider deleting my article.by the way, the last message was me, I just wasn't signed in.Sorry, but what is more reliable than the band itself?Ok, question: If wikipedia is all about unlimited free information, why must a musician/musicians have, for example, won a grammy, in order for information about them be relevant to wikipedia? The information is credible and factual, so what makes it less worthy of being on the website than a stub on an obscure peice of artwork?"

And who are you,Sir?--asydwaters 05:23, 12 January 2006 (UTC) This Topic Is Not Signed,please read the rules and regulation before you post links to your own blogs without providing verity of links to your articles.--asydwaters 05:32, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MapInfo/List of GIS software

I noticed your {{advertisement}} edits to these two articles. I went ahead and made major copyedits to both, so that they no longer read like advertisements. If you come across other GIS/mapping-related articles that look like spam, let me know on my talk page. I'll take a look at them and either clean them up, or recommend AFD. Thanks. -Aude (talk | contribs) 05:04, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jammo

Spam? I added a page and someone put a link I dont' think is relevant and was Spam. So I removed it and put one in its place. Who are you to get involved? Are you an expert in poker? If I look at your previous work it doesn't seem so!

[edit] Your message

I'd added a few links in areas such as towns in Ireland where photographs of mine filled in information that was so far lacking in the article. The first response I got to this was from an editor in Nashville who loved the link and encouraged me to increase my involvment. The second response was from you. It was not my intent to pollute your site with spam, and so I will not add any further links until I figure out which one of you is correct. I am a university professor and I'm paid well to do that, so I don't ever make a penny off any of my work on the web - I just share information that usually is welcomed by people. In ten years of doing this, your response has been unique.

Terry Ballard

[edit] Children's books Illustrators

I got a spam note for the last link [Children's books Illustrators] in reference to the "Arthur Rackham" Wiki.

1) Yes it is my personal site and I did not intent to use it as an advertisement. 2) No, it's not commercial by any means if you did bother to check.

Furthermore, it's currently the largest archive of Rackham's works on the net. I spent hundreds of hours scanning from the original books and putting it together. I hope to share with other Rackham's fans.

If I did break the rules by adding my personal site then please fell free to remove it.

Regards, Minh Lai http://www.nocloo.com ==


[edit] Star Wars Accident

Hey, it's me, Shinobi101, again. I was just wondering if you could help me move a page over to another page. I mispelled a word, and now I had to write a page that directed the viewer to the mispelled one. If you could tell me how tomove it over, or do it yourself, I would be very thankful. The right spelling is Star Wars Attacktix. This directs you to the mispelled one, which is already written, known as Star Wars Attactktix. So, please help if you can in any way possible. -Shinobi101 17:01, Jan 12, 2006

This is a genuine problem,it appears only the "learned Wise Ones" will be able to correct it,as I faced the same problem of going around in circles without being able to correct the Title spelling.--asydwaters 09:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ILAS

Hi. For your information, newpages that are copyvios can now be speedied. Please read about it and see the procedure in WP:CSD. Regards,  Perfecto 05:27, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Perfecto. I was aware of this, but I thought it didn't apply in this case because it wasn't a commercial site. JoaoRicardotalk 05:38, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright tags

Hi. The reason I didn't use the speedy copyvio notice is because it states that the content must be from a "commercial content provider". And I don't exactly know what classifies as a commercial provider and what doesn't. Is there any place where I can get more info on this (other than the link you provided)? Thanks. - Akamad 05:41, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. - Akamad 05:45, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Needlepoint articles

Hi Perfecto. Glad to hear you're working with the needlepoint author. I guess I got a bit carried away marking the substubs for speedy deletion; probably should have looked to the user's talk page first, but they seemed so ... vacuous. (The articles, I mean — that's not the singular, gender-neutral they directed at the author.) --DavidConrad 08:58, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] merge APAR -> Phased array

You haven't written a reason why you suggest a merge, so I answer you here: A merge does not make sense, since (as written in the article) APAR is a specific product (like e.g. AN/SPY-1, also a phased array radar, but no active one) and phased array is a generic discussion about all kinds of phased arrays (and not only radars). - Alureiter 14:32, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thanks for cleaning up the external links on Kabbalah, especially the one to The Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn. There have been a number of anon and new users hitting every page even slightly related and posting that link and POV material. It has not been easy keeping up with them. Your assistance is appreciated.--◀Pucktalk▶ 21:51, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spam project

No, I don't view it as a "takeover" at all! More like "I never got around to fleshing this out, and some enthusiastic guys have volunteered to do the work for me." :) Jdavidb (talk • contribs) 14:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding commercial links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:203.109.154.193

"Please do not add commercial links — or links to your own private websites — to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. See the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Perfecto Canada 00:20, 17 January 2006 (UTC)"

What is this in reference to?

[edit] Questia spam links

Thanks for your invite to the spam linking project, I'll definitely join. I do have a bit of a problem with the article Theodore Roosevelt. There's been a Questia link there for months now with what looks like an affiliate ID. Questia do have an affiliate scheme, and I'm sure I've seen their links in other articles. I left a message on the talk page quite a while ago but I've had no response. What's even more worrying is that it has reached featured article status without anyone noticing. Should I remove it or do you think it's useful? Archer7 17:43, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Teastas Mor

Hello, Irish Kennel Club and Teastas Mor are separate subjects and should not be merged. Second, if they are to be merged their is a process, Wikipedia:Merge you don't just copy and move it where YOU think it should go.

I am moving it back for now. Cordially SirIsaacBrock 03:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{db-copyvio}}

Thank you for spotting speedily deletable copyvios, but please don't blank the content when applying this tag. Doing so creates unnecessary steps (looking in the history) to confirm that it's a copyvio, and that kinda takes away from the speediness of it. So just place it at the top of the text. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 04:58, Jan. 18, 2006

[edit] Double fertilisation

Plant embryogenesis are the steps after fertilisation, I moved the merge suggestion to fertilisation where it would be a good addition.--nixie 05:07, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Emmanuel Ortiz

You have given me no reason to doubt the sources I cite. Its a pretty mainstream website as far as poetry goes. I have also found independent confirmation that he works for that organization (who's website seems to be in the habit of going down). Savidan 08:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Soulescape

Hi. The warning is just a generic template: {{warning|text}}. Just replace "text" with whatever you want to write. Kafziel 05:50, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is CThings entry ok now?

It's a one-line description of the website -- no POV.

[edit] Kai Power Tools

Kai Power Tools- Should it be merged ith Kai Krauss?

Should my article on KPT though an entirely different topic from its creator (Kai Krauss) bio, be merged into one?As KPT is a software for artistic purpose and I think it would be more suitable to put it with "Filters" or "PlugIns" for "Bitmap image editing softwares e.g. Adobe Photoshop and Corel Photopaint.--asydwaters 06:07, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Desydes

Hello Perfecto, I understand the need to keep Wikipedia as topic neutral as possible, but some people are trying to look for useful links, and I'm only trying to contribute. Also bear in mind that I have written a few articles, and I try to augment articles where necessary, as do we all, as I'm sure so do you. However, I will take what you have said into account. Respectfully Dessydes

[edit] User:Mantegna_T

Hi Perfecto, do you've specific questions about trionfi.com? It's a group of researchers and the group works intensively about Tarot and Playing Card history, especially in 15th century. Naturally we've a good level of understanding and informations to the connected matters. And recently we engaged a little bit to improve some articles of wikipedia, also we've generated some new. Now it's the state in the web, that we've a dominant position in the whole scene of Tarot and playing cards in 15th century with about 10.000 pages, lots of articles connected to a Museum with 3500 decks - naturally a sort of specification, that Wikipedia can't offer. Now you suggested, that I should not link to "own pages". How? Either I give good informative links to a focussed theme and then I've to link to own pages, or ... I better leave wikipedia as it is. Which would be a pity to wikipedia, as far Tarot and Playing Card history is concerned ... Perhaps you should take a visit to trionfi.com and have an impression of your own, what we're doing there. Don't fear, it's not commercial. Well, I accept your understanding of rules, but "rules" generally do not fit in each individual situation.

Regards

[edit] Flying Buffalo

What's wrong with sources from the company's own web site? That's a primary source! I agree that if we had some independent source, that would be better, but their's nothing wrong with citing the actual stated history of the company being profiled, so in any case please leave the links there. -- Kaszeta 13:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


P: How? Might I suggest a third way: Create more new articles or submit some of your content (e.g., images) and release their copyright to the GFDL. When you realise that Wikipedia may someday find print or sent to indigents without Internet access, then you understand we want 'content', not more web links. Also, adding links only to the site you're closely involved in (and putting them first on the list) has bias itself. As such, for example, I "balanced" your Mantegna Tarocchi links with others (Pictures would be useful, by the way). I hope I answered your question. Thank you for your note. --Perfecto 19:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] [[Mantegna t 22:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)]]

... :-) well, we would write occasionally new articles, but naturally we would mix it with links to deeper resources and that would be on our site. Like this one, as you may find on the German site of wikipedia (article: Tarot):

"Die älteste Benutzung des Wortes "Trionfi" in Zusammenhang mit Spielkarten ist für Februar 1442 in Ferrara belegt, als der Maler Sagramoro (schon vorher mit Spielkartenaufträgen beschäftigt), Geld für die Produktion von vier Trionfi-Blättern empfing [2]. Ein anderes früheres Dokument vom 1.1.1441 benutzt den Ausdruck "Trionfi" noch nicht, es scheint sich beim produzierten Gegenstand (Sagramoro ist wieder der Maler) aber um 14 spezielle Karten zu handeln, die "Trionfi-Karten-Charakter" haben [3]. Im Oktober 1441 wird eine Trionfi-Karten-Produktion zu einer Hochzeit vermutet - diese Karten haben sich teilweise erhalten (67 Karten) und befinden sich heute im Cary-Yale-Museum (als Visconti di Modrone oder Cary-Yale-Tarocchi bezeichnet)[4] [5]. Es hatte - soweit erkennbar - nur teilweise Trumpf-Motive, die im sogenannten Standard-Tarot benutzt werden und es wich von der Standard-Struktur ab (es gab zusätzliche Hofkarten, weibliche Pagen und weibliche Ritter). Aus spezifischen Gründen wird vermutet, dass dieses Spiel eine 5x16-Struktur hatte (weblink Tarot Dokumente).

Ein weiteres Spiel (Brera-Brambilla-Tarocchi) ist ebenfalls dieser frühen Periode zuzuordnen, da sich aber nur 2 Trümpfe erhalten haben, liefert dieser Fund nur wenig Informationen.

In allen dieser frühen Erwähnungen und noch vorhandenen Produkte (1424/1425 und 1441/1442) ist entweder der Mailänder Herzog Filippo Maria Visconti (1392 - 1447) verwickelt oder dessen Tochter Bianca Maria, die im Winter 1440/1441 zu einem 1/2-Jahres-Besuch in Ferrara weilte [6] und anscheinend die Spiel- und Gestaltungs-Idee nach dorthin transportierte."

As you may find and count, 7x is our "own page" quoted ... something, which according the comment you gave is not allowed by "your rules", to which I stated, that they, although given in good intention, do not fit in each situation. Well, I don't know, if you understand German, but if you do, you would see, that the text is readable without the links, but naturally it's with the links much better and far more qualified, as the content can in the case of really big interest be followed in depth. Well, you wish more content ... we too, especially for our own site and we work hard for it and we've our reasons to place our content there and not somewhere else. But a good web is made by good cooperations: Wikipedia is somehow good for us, as it organises the web in a good way, and I guess, we're also good for wikipedia. You need the "general base of knowledge, which best is correct knowledge" and we serve the very specific interest, where questions can also answered, when they're reather difficult. About "images" .. you know, that it is often difficult to judge, if an image is copyright-free or not. And your image-upload-mechanism is so, that somebody has to state: "this is copyright-free". And you know that at this point things become difficult.

[edit] Re: Nigeria

The links seem like pretty clear spam to me--it's not even as if the photos on the site are of good quality. However, I'll let you try to resolve it by discussion if you can. JeremyA 02:55, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Perfecto - we have signed in today to the wikipedia. I left an article about One World many Cultures. Yes, it is, as you said, an article about an idea and people I know but I don't see much difference between this and the One World Project group. The difference is that this is a free access website which aims to give young people more knowledge about the world and also encourages their contribution so they can share the knowldege they already have about their own culture with others. It is called by UNESCO a Peace education and it builds links and improves understanding and tolerance of other ways of life. I would hope that it could be included in wikipedia. Let me know - if the style is a problem, if it's too long - that's all rightt, I can change it. But otherwise I hope the information about the project could be included on your website. I really admire your concept and understand you have to be selective but hope you can give us some help and guidance and accept the article.

natasza

[edit] Direct Market

Maybe you should be a little less quick to assume bad faith regarding topics you don't know anything about. First, the article itself describes something very different from "direct marketing", which is why your hasty proposal of a merger was inappropriate: the subject was obviously not the same. And the term "Direct Market" is pervasive in the comics industry, to the point that it is used without explanation or definition in most discussions about it, which is why I didn't bother citing it. If you need proof that I'm not making it up, you could start with a Google search for "direct market" comics [7], or look at any web site that discusses the comics publishing industry, where you'll see the term used habitually in specific reference to the comics specialty shop system. A couple just from the past day: [8] [9] Tverbeek 22:12, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. Since they demonstrate that it's possible for someone to read the article and still fail to understand what the subject of the article is, evidently I need to work on it some more. Tverbeek 01:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Weird Message

I got this weird message saying "Please do not add nonsense to pages. This is considered vandalism." I didn't even do anything, although I guess someone else logged on and I found a section of my friend's talk page deleted. That was all sorted out, but what should I do if someone gives me another message like this again? -Shinobi101, 18:24, Jan 23, 2006


[edit] Weird message Reply Reply

Thanks for the advice, although it was kind of expected, but hey, I can't always get a perfect answer. :) But anyway, I couldn't find the people that sent me the message. Some thing like "A _____ that helps strengthen the Wikipedia Community." But thanks anyway for the message. -Shinobi101 18:47, jan 23, 2006

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dronsfield

You had tagged this article for speedy deletion, I have moved it to AfD and am giving you notice so you can participate in the discussion if you wish. Thanks. --W.marsh 03:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm not aware that there even is a set procedure... I've seen it done both ways. Actually this is the first time I've done it this way, I've normally done it as you say, just remove the tag and suggest AfD. But I was thinking this way might be more friendly to new users who aren't familiar with the potentially confusing AfD process (which probably doesn't apply to you). I'm guessing it's not a hit, hehe. Anyway as for the tagger changing his mind, doesn't really matter since I put up the AfD... I didn't mean to imply you were required to participate in it. --W.marsh 04:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Comic-Book Database

Thank you for taking the time to review my recent additiion to the Wikipedia. However, I must ask that the article you removed be reverted. This material may appear to be copyrighted, but it was placed by the copyright holder, the Grand Comic-Book Database. I am one of the editors of the project and was posting the article indirec response to a request by our board president to do so. His original e-mail request follows. If you have any questions, please contact Ray at CArchivist@aol.com

- Donald Dale Milne


"Anyone interested in writing one for the Wikipedia for the GCD?

We are mentioned on a few places as links, but we should have out own entry... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grand_Comic_Book_Database&action=edit (which is blank right now)

And consideration will need to be made to edit other enteries to mention us too (we are listed with and without links in other enteries as Grand Comic Book Database, Grand Comics Database, and Grand Comic-Book Database).

By the way, anyone interested in putting together a new GCD ad for Roy Thomas' Alter-Ego? My last two volunteers never came through, so I am giving a deadline. I need this by the end of February.

my best -Ray Bottorff, Jr.


_______________________________________________ CDBL mailing list CDBL@lists.comics.org http://barks.comics.org/mailman/listinfo/cdbl

[edit] Re the link to Spanners Rootkit links

Re this removed link - RootKit Detection + Prevention ! - http://www.sysinternals.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=962&PN=2 in the rootkit wikki.

I only posted it as it does contain an enormous amout of very useful information on rootkits. Together with a vast array of software both free and paid.

A lot of those apps etc are not widely know about, therefore posting the link was for the benefit of everyone interested in finding out more on the subject.

If it broke the rules, i appologise.

[edit] Grand Comic-Book Database

Thanks for the reply. As the info I entered yesterday was merely my first draft and was intended to be revised anyway, we'll just write a new entry. We're kicking around just what we want to say now. I expect a new version tomorrow that will have additional information and won't look like our webpage.

- Don Milne

[edit] Grand Comic-Book Database

Thanks for the link. We'll try to stick to the facts.

- Don Milne

[edit] Startin' / Born to Be... or Startin'/Born to Be...

Oh its Startin'/Born to Be..... sorry Fullmetal Alchemist 02:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About my article

Hi,

That site is not commercial or my own homepage. I`m just as a normal user in there. Can I ask you why you deleted the "Legal Torrents" article?

[edit] Nope not the guy

Nope, Im not the same nicked guy in datagalaxy.net I often take new nicks, more often i have seen the same nicks used before - I usually just alter them somehow.

[edit] Rayment

In the context of verifibility and sourcing I find it counter-productive to list a reference template on TfD. Mackensen (talk) 02:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

If he's unreliable then so are all the books ever compiled on the peerage. His information always checks out. Mackensen (talk) 02:34, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nude scenes

I'm sorry, I don't have the book. What I did was search the whole site looking for good information, and I puted what I found viable on the article. But I also combined some personal information that I've learned, for example, Sarah Jessica Parker's contract with HBO to shot "Sex and City" granted her no nudity at any point of the show. Rodrigogomespaixao 07:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC) User_talk:Rodrigogomespaixao 05:16 (Brazil Time)

[edit] searchenginewatch and webmasterworld

Hi Perfecto--

You sent me this:

"Please do not add commercial links — or links to your own private websites — to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. See the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Perfecto Canada 03:44, 25 January 2006 (UTC)"

Can you explain why there are commercial links already at the bottom of the SEO entry in Wikipedia then? Last to my understanding, Google, Yahoo and MSN are all commercial companies.

You have an entry on SEO. You are pointing to the search engines which, if you know anything about the industry, are not the only source of SEO knowledge nor necessarily the most accurate. Wikipedia is supposed to be a neutral ground to educate people. You absolutely should be linking to sources of knowledge beyond the major search engines.

Search Engine Watch and WebmasterWorld are the two largest sources out there, for the reasons I explained in my addition. Yes, one of them is my own site, as I also explained. That doesn't diminish the fact you should be including it.

Of course, the page already isn't accurate. SEO does NOT include paid advertisements. That's search engine advertising. SEO is akin to PR, optimizing for non-paid improvement. Search engine marketing is the umbrella term that combines the two.

Google was not the first to use a new concept of relying on links. It was simply the most popular one to do that. I have no idea where the reference for the official "truce" being discussed comes from. Sure would be nice to have a reference there.

I organized one of the first confernces that connected the two groups in 1999, so I suppose that could have been part of it. I'd send you a link, but you know, that might take you to a commercial web site which apparently is a bad thing. But since I was actually there and involved at that time, I don't recall any particular "truce" like negotiations happening. Rather, the two sides simply had better communication emerge.

As for Googleeating as a black hat tactic, c'mon, someone's having Wikipedia on. No one talks about this as a tactic. Geez.

Further down, you refer people to the W3C guidelines for SEO advice. Um, they advise things the search engines don't even support. Bad place to be pointing people at.

I'd go through and add and contribute, but the entire notion that tomorrow it just gets edited and wiped out by someone who might know nothing about SEO doesn't thrill me. Instead, I'll stick to doing what I've done for the past decade, educating people about SEO on my own web site. It's a pity Wikipedia doesn't find that resource good enough to refer people to. Google, Yahoo and MSN all do.

Danny Sullivan, Editor, Search Engine Watch

[edit] Terence John Arbuthnot

I removed your speedy deletion tag from this article. I don't know enough about the Croix de Guerre award to say if receiving one is in and of itself notable (as is the case with Victoria Cross recipients), so I'm sending this to AfD instead (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terence John Arbuthnot). howcheng {chat} 19:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why delete link?

Why delete the SCindex link? I'm not commercially advertising it if I don't own the site. I'm just a member, and it is a popualr site with +3000 members.

[edit] Again

Hello Perfecto,

Again you tell me that I am "spamming", but still do not understand. Is it due to the usage of keywords on each link? Would you prefer me to use the site name? People coming to Wikipedia may want to learn more about how to use the Adobe Photoshop program and I am providing quality (non-commercial) links to these resources. All I am adding is a new group for tutorials in the external link section. If you would like I could write a few paragraphs on tutorials why there important. But I have a feeling just seeing "Tutorials" is self explanatory to users. I would be more than happy to further this conversation over MSN or AIM if you have it.

Thanks, Henry H

[edit] Re: again

Hello,

For Wikibooks:Wikibooks portal may I add a refrence link to where I got the tutorial from?

Henry H

[edit] Image:Perfecto.icon.svg

Sir, can you please switch to Image:Flag of Canada.svg in your sig, please. We only need to have one copy of the .ca flag on Wikipedia. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) Fair use policy 06:53, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] e-officedirect

Re:

Please do not add commercial links — or links to your own private websites — to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. See the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Perfecto 15:42, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I'm going to assume you are talking about the article on collaborative software, to which I merely added another entry under "Commercial software". If that is a commercial link, then by the same logic so is every other entry there. But then again, the section title is Commercial software, so I see no way around this. Any suggestions? -ДрakюлaTalk 02:25, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Response
Good point; I read the guidelines for linking externally. Should I just remove links that are unnecessary in that page now? --ДрakюлaTalk 13:37, 29 January 2006 (UTC)


If you want to delete the article, go ahead. I just thought that it would be informative. There's absolutely no need to vote. Crvena zvezda

[edit] reply

The directory site you keep deleting is no different than the others you leave active links for on the PM software page. You seem to be selectively deleting our link, but none of the others that operate the same way.

You seem to imply that we are running a commercial site, and that is not the case, the featured links are companies that have promoted our site in some way to help us gain traffic, so they appear higher. You'll see that we continue to add a large number of solutions from many categories.

If you are going to single out our site and continue to delete our links, then your efforts will become futile, as we will continue to edit your pages in response to your censorship.

YOU are not the voice of the people!

[edit] in response to the gfxartist and cgsocierty

they are not my site and i am not promoting the commerical aspect. the category was art communites online, i merely added two more that i knew.

so get a fucking clue.

[edit] FreeMind notability

I've removed the notability tag that you added to the FreeMind article. An explanation can be found in the discussion page, on the basis of the notability guidelines for software. Thanks for your attention -- DarTar 09:27, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

  • retracted/removed* (Lady Serena 21:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Edison Glass

To be brief and to the point, you put a notablility tag on the Edison Glass article and I would like to remove it. I believe that "obscure content isn't harmful" (taken from Wikipedia:Notability) and that as long as it's verifiable it shouldn't be deleted. I am a new Wikipedian so I hope this is okay. Also I would like you to know that I understand where you're coming from and that you're doing a great job at Wikipedia. I'm just wondering if it would be ok if I removed the notability tag from the article. Thanks in advance for your reply. EdGl 05:12, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I did not expect such a speedy reply! Anyway, yes, I did read Wikipedia:Notability (music), and you are naturally correct in your assumption. Indeed I may have jumped the gun slightly; the band in question will not become well-known until their new album comes out in April (which will be sold in Best Buy and Circuit City stores nationwide [U.S.]). Of course, even that does not guarantee that they will be "notable" enough to deserve an article. We'll just have to wait and see. Regardless, I very much appreciate your help and clarification. EdGl 05:41, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cariblist.com Article

Can you please revisit Cariblist.com article cariblist.com noting also my discussion page on the topic talk:cariblist.com

Based on this I request you remove your notability tag.

Cheers Deepers 05:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SYSPRO

Hi: I work for SYSPRO as a Marketing/Public Relations Coordinator and I wrote the original text. So I have permission to put it on the Wikipedia site. I would like to have the SYSPRO company description under the heading with no published revenues, and I would like to have the SYSPRO ERP product description back on Wikipedia.

Can you put me as the source or SYSPRO as a company?

Thank you, Dawna Heising SYSPRO Marketing and PR Coordinator 714-437-1000 www.syspro.com

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