Talk:Peoples Temple
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"The Peoples Temple, originally incorporated as the Wings Of Deliverance in 1954, was a religious organization founded in 1955 by Reverend James Warren Jones (Jim Jones). In 1960 the organization affiliated itself with the protestant denomination, Disciples of Christ. This affiliation was a successful attempt to both raise the dwindling membership and restore the reputation of the cult. The Peoples Temple is widely known for the mass murder/suicide that occurred in Jonestown, Guyana, on November 18, 1978.
He ate babies." Internet slang?
I'm not "disguising" anything, this article is right and if People's Temple says "Kool-Aid" it's wrong [1].
I won't dispute that people say "Kool-Aid"; genericization is a powerful thing. "[M]ost people would have called a drink of that kind Kool-Aid even if was made from Flavor-Aid or whatever." --Lars Eighner. I'll be happy to write that on a Kleenex and Xerox it for you. However, facts are what they are, whatever the slang term is. --Charles A. L. 14:42, Nov 18, 2003 (UTC)
- what the bloody hell are you two on about?
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[edit] Anti-religious nature of the group
- Jones of course was a Marxist through and through - his control over every aspect of his followers' lives closely resembled a Soviet commissar's control over the average Russian. [2]
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- Haha, priceless. - FrancisTyers 15:59, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Purported cult
This material is from the article List of purported cults, which we are paring down to a pure list. Editors here can best evaluate its statements and decide how to integrate it into this article. Thanks, -Willmcw 21:18, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
- People's Temple
- The People's Temple is seen as the most notorious example of a cult by the media and the public. They almost unanimously agree that if there is one group that deserves the negative connotations associated with the word cult then it was this one. Mary McCormick Maaga argues in an essay that appeared in her book the Voices of Jonestown (Syracuse: Syracuse University Press, 1998) that the People’s temple was three groups in one, using the sociological meaning of the terms i.e., a cult/new religious movement, a sect, and a denomination. [3]
[edit] Sodomy
The article claims that Jim Jones practiced "sodomy" with male Temple members. If this is anal sex, the article should say so. If not, it should explain what acts took place. "Sodomy" is not a particularly useful term. —Guanaco 03:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- Further, the article seems to imply that "practicing sodomy" is among his repressive and evil characteristics. I assume the editor meant to say unconsensual (or at least not entirely wanted) sodomy, but I admit to not knowing the details, and hope someone can clear this up. Deleuze 10:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- sodomy is a perfectly acceptable legal term used widely as a synonym for anal sex. raining girl 17:40, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- More complicated than that, Raining Girl. From the sodomy page: "Sodomy is a term of biblical origin used to characterize certain sexual acts that were attributed to citizens of ancient Sodom. The term is most commonly used to describe the specific act of anal sex between two males or a male and a female. The term "sodomy" also may include non-coital sexual acts ranging from oral sex to paraphilia. It is sometimes used to describe human-animal sexual intercourse (a.k.a. bestiality, zoophilia), and in the German language, this is the primary use of the term. Sodomy laws forbidding certain types of sex acts have been instituted in many cultures. The English term buggery is very closely related to sodomy, in concept, and often interchangeably used in law and popular speech. In the various criminal codes of United States of America, the term "sodomy" has generally been replaced by "deviant sexual intercourse," which is precisely defined by statute. The remaining criminal interest is largely confined to acts where the victim did not or could not legally consent." I know wikipedia's not an academic resource, but I'm just using it to show that it's not "a perfectly accetable" synonym.
Earthbound0 16:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] People's vs. Peoples
I just moved this article to the apostrophe-less name, since that's what's on the incorporation documents [4] and most references. I just wasted several edits moving to what I thought was 'correct', before I checked offsite. nae'blis (talk) 18:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, peoples temple is the correct form. It took me some time to figure this out too.
[edit] Jonestown was not a concentration camp
When I read the article then the reader may be left with the mistaken impression that Jonestown was a concentration camp. This is untrue: people went there, stayed and committed suicide there voluntarily. Only a few defectors (14 out of >900=1.6%) joined senator Ryan. I dunno how to correct this quickly. Andries 22:43, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
- This article is horrible in quality. Please help. Thanks. Andries 22:45, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Jeannie Mills
I know it says that she was murded (Jeannie Mills) in the quote section of this page, but does anyone know HOW she was murdered? Was she killed by the cult? KellanFabjance
- No, I have a text that states that this is an unsolved mystery. Andries 19:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thats kind of interesting. I would suspect that it was a cult murder. KellanFabjance
According to the Monterey Peninsula Herald at : http://www.maebrussell.com/Jonestown/Millses%20Murdered.html
Al and Jeannie Mills (aka Elmer and Deanna Mertle) and their daughter Daphene Mills were murdered in their own home on 02-28-1980. Their son, Eddie Mills, aged 17 was also in the home, but was unharmed.
According to the AP on December 9,2005, charges were dropped against Eddie Mills in the murder of his parents and sister due to lack of evidence. http://www.rickross.com/reference/jonestown/jonestown38.html
[edit] Jonestown: The Life and Death of Peoples Temple (2006)
I just saw this documentary on the subject Jonestown: The Life and Death of Peoples Temple (2006) and found it extremely interesting and informative. I am certainly not an expert on the subject, but the writer/director gave an amazing view into the topic.
Directed by Stanley Nelson
Writing credits Marcia Smith
--Colin Greene 19:16, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Please be careful when editing
I noticed that for the following sentences references are requested
- "The highest actual membership of the Peoples Temple was around 3,000 members, in spite of exaggerated claims by the Temple."
I had inserted the references but they were removed. Can the editor who removed them please re-insert them?. Do not expect other to clean up your mess. Thanks. Andries 19:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
