User talk:PelleSmith

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Contents 1 Esposito 2 Non-Muslim views of Islam 3 Good copyediting 4 Islam in the United States 5 Snide comments are not helpful. 6 Hajj 7 3RR 8 ?

[edit] Esposito

The guy is and has been since day one in the pockets of the Wahabi lobby. What I said is based on what Prince Alwaleed Bin Tala said as Esposito is just one of many Academic minions he finances and uses to promote Islam around the world.--CltFn 11:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks see your talk page for my response.PelleSmith 13:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

"We" are those who think Esposito isn't a reliable source. That includes me and, it seems, CltFn, but it also includes others, as you can see if you look at the talk pages for some of the Islam-related articles. Arrow740 16:13, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

"Thanks for the clearly logical response--the people who don't think he's unreliable dream of proving it." I don't think they're on the defensive yet, unfortunately. Arrow740 20:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah my mistake, I meant to write either "the people who don't think he's reliable" (as I had initially put it) or "the people who think he's unreliable" and managed to put both negatives in there completely altering the meaning of the sentence and in a confusing way I might add.PelleSmith 22:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non-Muslim views of Islam

Hi Pelle and thanks for your message. I have also read with interest your comments on the Islam talk page. My current thinking is that a section on "Non-Muslim views" is going to be easier to write collaboratively in an NPOV way in this introductory article than one on "criticism" only. So I would be very happy if some positive non-Muslim views were added. And of course much of the western scholarship is neither positive nor negative, just an external view. Similarly the section on "Contemporary Islam" should present a balanced overview of the the whole spectrum of thought, not reducing it to simplistic categories of "fundamentalists" vs "reformers". I am not strongly against having a "criticism" section though if it could be written well without endless edit warring. Itsmejudith 12:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good copyediting

Thanks for your work on the Islam in the US article. I always like being copyedited by someone who knows what he/she is doing. Zora 19:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello PelleSmith. Since you have dealt with user CltFn in the past, I would appreciate your comment here. Thank you. BhaiSaab ^talk 20:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islam in the United States

In response to your comment on my talk page. I see your point about making incremental changes and in all fairness I should have been more carefull in not wiping out some of your valid edits. But there are 2 ways of looking at this dispute , before I made what you call a wholesale revert, editors had wiped out my edits wholesale. Are you saying that its OK to wipe out my edits wholesale but not ok for me to revert back wholesale? My concern in this article is to be able to have all POVs represented in the article not just the one of any particular group of editors.--CltFn 05:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Snide comments are not helpful.

PelleSmith wrote the following on user talk:Getaway:

"Getaway. Please edit a bit more carefully. Also don't justify poor edits with snide comments like "7 million Muslims in the U.S.??? Who made up this number. It contradicts the next sentence and it contradicts reality. Removed permanently" and "That is still a huge range. And what is based upon? Someone's feelings?" as you did here. It makes good faith alot harder to imagine when you do that. As I mentioned those statstics come from the various estimates used below in the entry. If they don't exist then prove it and remove them. That would be helpful. I put the tag on the page so people would actually dig the references up. Thanks.PelleSmith 00:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)"

Your sanctimous comments would hold more water if you did not make snide comments yourself as you did on my talk page: "Those figures you decided to remove come from demographics in the entry. And here I was thinking you had actually read the entire entry.PelleSmith 23:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)"

You action undermine your comments, leaving you with littel credibility. Now that we have pointed that out. I would like to point out to you that you don't own the article AND I will continue to edit the article as I see fit. Have a good day!--72.181.142.25 14:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Getaway, I welcome your edits, but just remember that this is a group project. Also remember that there is wide range of "editing" from good faith to bad, from vandalism to entry improvement, and editing as "one sees fit" could fall anywhere on this spectrum. If I, you or anyone else make edits that other editors think are unproductive to the encyclopedic quality of an entry then objections will be made, reverts may happen, changes and improvement may come about, etc. etc.. That's just the nature of this project. Regarding your last edits, I've posted on your user page about what in my humble opinion is the productive way to look into the demographic estimates on the page. Have a nice day.PelleSmith 15:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

PelleSmith wrote on User:Getaway's talk page: "Touche. I'll gladly not leave such snide remarks on your page again. But my frustrated "And here I thought you had actually read the entire entry", was left on your talk page, in communication with you, and not in an edit summary. However, as you point out, it can easily be seen as snide. My deepest appologies. Now, please do figure out if any of those demographic estimates are wrong or not based on real surveys. That, again would be the productive way of working on the article, as opposed to simply deleting material. Also if you would sign your post on my page with your user name instead of that IP I would much appretiate it. If that IP isn't you, and you didn't leave that comment, then I will gladly delete it from my userpage and chastize them for impersonating you. All the best.PelleSmith 15:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)"

Generally, I find your comments long-winded and self-centered and as such they are unproductive. Once again, I will continue to edit as I see fit and you will just have to deal with it. Have a good day! And seriously, do not respond to me again because I don't find your comments productive. As far as I can tell you spend a huge amount of time justifying why your edits are the only reasonable choice when there are usually four, five, six reasonable choices. --Getaway 20:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hajj

There is nothing related on talk page. It was removed just bcoz of some mistake.

There has always been, and I even reposted before I reverted, as I've pointed out on your talk page already.PelleSmith 15:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

Just letting you know that he reported you for 3RR [1].--Strothra 14:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ?

Hi. Did you mean to make this edit: [2]? It's quite confusing. Dahn 13:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem: it is indeed confusing that newer comments were made in an old section, and the text there has become quite large and repetitive - such errors are bound to happen. Dahn 13:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

For real, don't you think this edit will give the impression that we endorse him having continued to be linked with the Iron Guard after 1940-41? Dahn 01:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it is too much - consider that the introductory section is the basis for main page descriptions for featured articles, which are rather intricate in detail so as to be explicit on their own (it was not one of my priorities to edit text there, but since somebody did, we might as well keep it). This works for me, but I was just wondering if you would take the chance of letting it be understood that Eliade continued to sympathize with the Guard after it ceased to be active in Romania (granted, the other one was not specific, but it was specific enough so as not to harm the point of those authors who say otherwise). Dahn 01:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)