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This is a ridiculous article and needs to be removed from the database. It mixes up the traditional Persian wrestling ie Pahlavani with its traditional terms of Ustad, Pahlavan and Rustam with Indian traditional wrestling that surely must be different to the Iranian game.

This is an utterly ridiculous article. it lists wrestlers who belong to the WWF, a TV "entertainment" wrestling organization. Many of these supposed great wrestlers are not professional but are just actors. Kennethtennyson 05:10, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

I dont think so, i have read about Gama, Akram, Nasir Bholoo, they are all real.
secondly i think this article name is not suitable as the man who practices pehlwani is call pehlwan, this page enlists pehlwan so this aticle ahould be moved to pehlwan الثاقب (WiseSabre| talk) 06:53, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Dude! Where did you actually "read" these articles? Look up the SHEIK, INoki, all of the other wrestlers on this list. The SHEIK belongs to the a wrestling entertainment organization. All of the matches that are here are "staged." Further, it is NPOV because it has statements like " the local hero who never gives up." along with other biased statements. When we think of wrestling, we think of Greco roman wrestling or judo which is at the olympics, or jujitsu which has competitions that are judged and not "staged" with a predetermined winner. You're talking about wrestlers who really did not do true competitive wrestling. Some of these guys are not even Pehlwans in the traditional sense but are "professional ie entertainment" wrestlers who happen to be Indian by ethnicity. I believe that the great singh is a WWF wrestler. Kennethtennyson 01:03, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Who is Sheikh?,wikipedia says Antonio Inoki (アントニオ猪木), real name Kanji Inoki (猪木寛至, born 20 February 1943) is a retired Japanese professional wrestler see Antonio Inoki, and Gama pehlwan he fought in UK and none of his match was staged.read his article


The great singh is not a wwe wrestler but anyways i'll take him off the list in any event.He's actually the father of the WWE wrestler you speak of.

secondly before you go and say anything about Antonio Inoki remember that the man is a pioneer of Mixed Martial Arts and the inventer/originator of shoot style wrestling which later on transitioned to shootfighting and the eventual martial arts boom.

and have'nt you seen the contribution of Masakatsu Funaki,Minoru Suzuki,Sotoro Sayayma,Antonio Inoki,Ad Santel,Ed Lewis,Kazushi Sakuraba,Nobuhiko Takada,Akira Maeda in Mixed Martial Arts (real fighting) ??? they were professional wrestlers too.......most of them disiples of antonio inoki learning from him at young age

worked as it may be the strength of professional wrestling or the pros should'nt be made a joke out of in this way

and the iron shiek was one of the elite in iraninan defence establishment,onetime guard of the shah of iran and an olympian (1972) ......... please get your facts right

also it would help if some detailed info regarding Karim Baksh,Rama Murti,Rahim Sultaniwala and Chandra Singh Mudaliwala .......... the historic greats

الثاقب (WiseSabre| talk) 16:23, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

look, you still do not get the point. Professional wrestlers are not true wrestlers. they don't compete in the traditional sense that people in greco roman wrestling compete. OF course these guys might have contributed to other forms of fighting and that most of these guys are big, but they are not true fighters. The great GAMA fought against people who were staging fights. Very few of his fights were real. If you actually lived in the US you would understand how ridiculous it is to include professional wrestlers on your list.Kennethtennyson 04:19, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Soory, i don't know much about wrestling.الثاقب [[user:wisesabre|(WiseSabre|]] [[User_talk:wisesabre|talk)]] 14:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Is it just me, or does this page NOT EXPLAIN how the wrestling is performed? Slightly more concrete things like RULES might be article-worthy. I could be mis-interpreting the goal of wikipedia. Ich 02:33, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The goal actually does vary from reigon to reigon, the general set of rules is given but in some areas the rules blend with the millenia old native martial arts of the reigon. In some parts kicks and choking with legs are allowed, in some parts no grappling below the waist are seen and other parts allow pinfalls (ranging from three to five or more) but no chokes. It's complicated, especially with India involved, which is diversity and vastness itslf. 59.94.96.53 21:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

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The paragraph below was written by an anonymous poster in the Wrestling article. If its content is useful, use it in this article. Shawnc 05:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

(**Actually "Pahlewani" is a kind of Iranian traditional wrestling style but not Indian at all, and the word means "pertaining to champions, or rather heroes". What's more, the word is Persian and this style dates back to some 2500 years ago (to Zoroastorians era or before). To do this style there are lots of Iranian traditional clubs, called "Zoorkhaneh" _ an old kind of gym_ in which you will find a pit (Gode) for the sportsmen to do special exercises with traditional tools _Meel, Kabbadeh, Takhte-Shena just to name a few and around the pit a row or rows of seats for the enthusiastic audience. There is a highly respected man (Morshed, means master) next to the pit who sits on a chair, he plays a kind of drum, which is put on his lap, and some small bells hanging around him and sings songs about religious figures and old well-known sportsmen to conduct and encourage the sportsmen in the pit (Gode). In some national occasions wrestling competiotions are held with some extra related sports activities to entertain the audience. Originally it has got strong cultural and religious aspects which are considered very respectful among Iranian nation. )

[edit] Rare photos of Maratha wrestler

Maratha I have good photos of Maratha wrestlers and i am willing to give it for free on wikipedia but i just cant embedded it in . anybody intrested plese contact me at Vishal1976

[edit] quit making up history

you need to quit making up history freedom skies. no where does it state that pehlwanit came from mullayaddha, much less that mullayaddha actually existed as you claim it to have. Kennethtennyson 15:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indian wrestling

It's already been pointed out on this page many times but I'm going to say it again so someone will take notice. Pehlwani is Persian and NOT Indian. The Mughals brought it over and it got mixed with the local forms of wrestling. I don't know what is the difference between traditional pehlwani and the Indian version but both are noticably different from traditional Indian wrestling. I presume that the confusion came up because the word pehlwan was absorbed into Hindi so many wrestlers are called pehlwans even if they just fight WWE style. But pehlwan doesn't necessarily mean wrestler, it could also be used for any fighter. A separate article about Indian wrestling could use the pictures and some of the information from this article but there are still a lot of corrections to be made.

[edit] mullayuddha is disputed

No where will you find that mulla yuddha is written as a true wrestling martial art. It was taken from an e-mail to a website and one user (freedom skies) has unfortunately stretched it to claim that mulla yuddha came from the religious epics with Bhima practicing mulla yuddha. Alter in his book writes that mullayuddha is a generic term for wrestling. Kennethtennyson 00:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

No where will you find that mulla yuddha is written as a true wrestling martial art.

Wikipedia does not subscribe to your definitions of true martial arts and untrue ones. Live with it.

It was taken from an e-mail to a website and one user (freedom skies) has unfortunately stretched it to claim that mulla yaddha came from the religious epics with Bhima practicing mulla yuddha.

This art has very real practitioners as described in the book by Joseph Alter. This is in addition to ancient arenas devoted to this art in India.

There was an edit war and then we all agreed on a compromise with mullayaddha staying in the text.

This edit war involved editors who contributed to material which was actually put into articles. Unlike our Kenny here.

Alter in his book on Indian Wrestling writes that mullayuddha is a generic term for wrestling.

Plain and white lie. Alter translates it to wrestling combat.

Freedom skies 15:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

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