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Contents 1 IMDB 2 Father and Son 3 databases 4 Finnish films 5 Commonscat family 5.1 Fer Conrad 6 The Novels WikiProject Newsletter: Issue VII - December 2006 7 Dekada '70 8 Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can 9 To tag or not to tag 10 Argentine films 11 about your copypaste tag 12 Bad Idea?

[edit] IMDB

IMDB is a user-added and user-edited database. It's been considered a useful source, but NEVER a particularly reliable one -- and certainly never a reliable SOLE source. That's reality. Inconvenient, but reality. --Calton | Talk 02:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Father and Son

Are Autobiographies Novels WikiProject, or WPBiography? - I will watch how you tag Father and Son. Hoverfish 16:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC) -- Ok, but as autobiography, to which WP-project do I mark it (I mean the big template we put in the talk pages). Hoverfish 06:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] databases

The article, List of bibliographic databases, has just been turned into a redirect, and simultaneously the Academic databases and search engines article has had all the links changed--all of this in the last few days--alll of it at the rate of several hundred edits a day. See discussion on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Academic_databases_and_search_engines#links DGG 03:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Finnish films

I have decided to map out the entire List of Finnish films with a different page for each letter of the alphabet. As you can see I started with the letter A films. Most films are notable but some won't have articles if they are not notable enough. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 09:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

THis way you can review my progress and set out the framework for starting the films on wikipedia. Good idea?

Hi can you propose a new stub category: Template:Finland-film-director-stub as soon I will have started many. Also if it doesn't already how about the broader category Template:European-film-director? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 19:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I have also decided it is best to start list of films by country and year. With countries a navigation box can be drawn up for all of the couuntries where the lists can be accessed from. Also by year a box can be drawn up. e.g 1888 1889 1890 etc. Although because tyhere are so many years it is probably best by decade then branched out by year. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 09:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you see now how User:Calton is trying to delete everythin I do. I have redirected 80 years of films now to categories the navigation is never going to be deleted. It serves to view all films. However please tell them to let me do lists from 1896 to at least 1910 as there are practically no films in the categories. Believe it or not I would rather not have to create the lists as i said they were purely to view all the missing films and start them. Using the lengthy categories in all the later years I can compare with imdb and other sources which films that are notable are missing. Then soon once films are covered in those years redirect the lists to the categories. These do everything lists will but that navigation box is staying I won't let anyone delete that or the country navigation box. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

If I may, your Pegship, and E.S.Blofeld, couldn't the films come in the years in film? I know they are empty in these years, and even if separate lists are created as "Films in year", I will update the "Years in film" from them... Hoverfish 18:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry for being so vague. It's about the new navigation that just appeared in the Lists of films, between "Years in film" and "Lists by letter and number". I have clicked on some of the buttons. Some lead to Years in film and some to categories. Also I have been trying to avoid such a mishappening by trying to reason with E.S.Blofeld. I was of the impression he had got this point and tried to help out with some alternative for the countries and spent several hours trying to find general guidelines and policies (i.e. learn about them, as I'm just a few months deep in the maze). But now I see this... Hoverfish 18:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Update: Nehrams2020, as more neutral to the issue, has volunteered to present it in Film Project discussion. Sorry for invading here with my concerns. Hoverfish 19:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

See the main film talk discussion for my proposals. Plus i only created the redirects for thousands of new visiotrs to the site who may not be aware of Category: in the search engine. If templates are drawn up e.g of films by genre and list of actors by nationality etc they will go directly now to them if redirects strain the system. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Also see my List of Bulgarian films. Films:A has been narrowed down to a notable list of films which can be started later. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:09, 9 December 2006 (UTC). My first film is A byahme mladi. I aim to create the notable country and year lists and start the entries on wikipedia. Hopefully they can be expanded into great articles. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Commonscat family

T'wuld have been better to have had an example, but if it's a specific single instance, the answer is {{Commonscat1Ra}}, which iirc, should link the same 'matching' (not 'equals') category as do the '2' variants. (I wasn't... use the following, but there are only two or three maps qualifying as 'equalized', so which cat is your itch?)

Otherwise, do the same but use Commonscat4Ra instead, same syntax should work, but if explicit arguments are given, then it's possible they may need swapped in order.

The distinction is whether the category tree is 'equalized' as much as sensible, including moving pics and such (so a work in progress, thus the 'matching' cat is a TO-DO list of additional work needed), or whether the task is reasonably complete. I need to revisit and reconcile the versions here with the commons versions and clean up an publish usage notes for all. Consistency in application, particularly the way the arguement order is envoked is part of that, as well as being able to eliminate circa half of the family. I just need to have a big block of time to do it all at once. But I've been away off-wiki, and am now just getting time again. I'll que it up.

If that doesn't fix your itch, give me a link. That particular message may have outlived it's usefulness as well, so I should take a look at that aspect. The maps project lead to the set, but it's use has become generalized and ubiquitous, so the message can go as part of the simplification of all.
    'Back when, that message was sort of a guarantee so people wouldn't delete unpopulated Maps cats here out of hand, most of which were new names in the new scheme and so showed up empty. (Hmmmm- I never did figure out why they sometimes show commons image galleries and sometimes such vanish... thanks for the reminder! <G>).

ttfn -- Oops! The Steelers are on Thursday Night Football! Gotta go! (<G> Just kidding. I'll be here if you need me.) Cheers! // FrankB 01:40, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

1.) You should know that to an engineer, there are differences between design features and 'problems' (which weren't <g>)... usually one of picking a different tool in this case! (And not breaking a provisional future feature, not yet put into place--that redlink is on some one of my temp pages in user:fabartus) <G>
   In any event, the change is fine, as that template will likely be subsumed by one of the others per the above. The text as I note, DID have a political reason, at the time. You may recall me fighting to keep some of the system from being deleted. If not, no worries mate... that was back in June, iirc, so the design feature can even withstand irate lady librarians.

Ah yes, the age-old "Is it a bug, or is it a feature?!" question...Her Pegship 02:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fer Conrad

2.) The sisterlinks template should look like this analog in/on Category:Music, so may have been' vandalized. If not, some admin didn't follow the what links here assuming the set was deleted.

It is really being limited to commons applications, and is really a competing and imho, impractical (too fragile, too cumbersome, too large, too time intensive, too labor intensive) system to mine, and I've yelled some at Jimbo by email to get some software coding in place to use the interwiki's via an auxiliary database to do the task and translation they tried to do. (It's presence in a few categories here was so I could evaluate it technically versus mine own system.) The suggested scheme really wouldn't slow down the server processing much, as it's equivalent to looking up an template. Not much processing time involved, simple string swapping during a pre-processing pass before assembling the output HTML.

I'll have Conrad Dunkerson look into the breakage, as he's the most template savvy admin I know, and one will be needed to look into the deletion logs, or whatever.

3) Anything else tonight? // FrankB 02:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Nope, go back to the Steelers. Thanks - Cheers! Her Pegship 02:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

• Never left them! But I hate laptop keyboards versus my ergonomic one up in the office. Hey! You need help with your sig. I was getting ALL KIND of excited that you'd added a talkpage link, AND am I disappointed that it's only a printing effect! Harumph! Like email, youse gots to get wid it gal! <G> I left a note for CBD on the Music mess. We'll just delete those once he figures out what the hell is going on, 'cause it may be breaking other templates too. Sometimes some parts of the database get corrupted or something... least that's what was what last time I saw anything like this before. (And that memories very fuzzy now) ttfn // FrankB 03:28, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
  • how 'bout this then? Her Pegship (tis herself) Btw, I don't use email because of a nasty personal attack a few months back, after which I was glad I never implemented it so the s.o.b. couldn't spam me (or worse). Cheers, Her Pegship (tis herself) 05:28, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
• Hi. The problem is Template:Void3 itself. That is called by various components of the sisterlinks template, but was deleted (again) on 12/07 by AmiDaniel. People keep deleting this as a copy of Template:Void, which it is, but not fixing all the links to use that template instead. So the solution should just be to go through what links here for 'Void3' and change all calls to 'Void' instead. Which I will start now. --CBD 10:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Novels WikiProject Newsletter: Issue VII - December 2006

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[edit] Dekada '70

Hi! I made the move of Dekada 70 to Dekada '70 which is the correct title of both novel and film. Somehow, my browser took me to the old Dekada 70 when I made a new edit, etc. which explains the edit conflict. I am the only author of the article, and I ASK that the move or merge be made with Dekada '70. Thanks. --Pinay06 ^{talk 23:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)}

[edit] Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can

I hope this Bot doesn't deliver for every article we go gnoming through or we will have to start subpages for it :) Hoverfish 19:54, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To tag or not to tag

I just came across The Strawberry Statement, which, as a film, had a big international impact in its time. Yet events have bypassed it and now it's not so well known. Should I mark this as a film stub (for the mention of the film) or should I include The Strawberry Statement (film) in missing articles? Hoverfish 23:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I just noticed noticed the film exists, as I saved this message :) Hoverfish 23:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Argentine films

I have started Template:Argentina-film-stub in relation to Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/List of films without article/List of missing Argentine Films. I will eventually have a refined list of notable Argentine films each with there own article which can hopefully be written into full detailed articles later. Please can you adjust it so that the flag is inside the box and notify that this is being done in coordination with Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/List of films without article/List of missing Argentine Films. I would rather not waste time in debating (look what happened with the user Calton business) something when it is inevitable that this stub category will be needed soon and rather than waste time having to adjust the stub cats on the new articles later. If you could let other members of the project my progress and that this stub cat and soon Argentina-actor-stub will exist I would be very grateful. I am also now keeping a personal log of my contributions (see User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld/Completed missing films) in this new giant global film project I am creating. You may find this useful if adjusting or reviwing or keeoing track of my work or whatever. At a later date I will use my Spanish to turn them into detailed articles. All the best Ernst Stavro Blofeld 17:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Contrary to some criticisms in the recent past by user:Calton I would sincerely hope I am contributing something of very high value to wikipedia and hope others users are pleased with my work. I will try to make each new article a super-stub if you like providing quick relevant info so they can be written into full and detailed articles later. E.g People like Román Viñoly Barreto and Mecha Ortiz should be written into ful articles asap but I am just laying them all out. Alos if you have any concerns about every film being started I have researched each film to assess notability or suitability for wikipedia and if you compare my list of Argentine films A and B which i have sorted so far with imdb list you will see that the majority or not used because they are not notable enough.Ernst Stavro Blofeld 17:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok its just it won't be long before there are 60 articles which are not yet full articles. I thought it was just saving trouble in the long run. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 19:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok thankyou Her Pegship.What a great name obviously you know Ernst Stavro Blofeld but might I ask where Pegship or Her Pegship comes from? I have just opened pages Hong Kong to Philippines on Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/List of films without article. I aim to fill all of these asap with missing films. Each national category will be connected eventually to each country wikiproject and hoefully I can build can army of contributors from each country!!! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 19:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Would anyone object if I duplicate Template:Filmsbycountry and create another one named Template:Missingfilmsbycountry for navigation purposes on wikiproject missing films? It would be exactly the same but just wikiprject and the name changed to Missing Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] about your copypaste tag

Hi, I just discovered the reason you have placed the copypaste template in The Favour, the Watch and the Very Big Fish. Till now I had been wondering if the grammar was wrong. Today I found the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) and finally get your point. It's doesn't sound easy for me, but I am curious to see if I can turn this little universe inside-out. Hoverfish 22:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bad Idea?

I could use an assist (maybe two). I have a pet peeve, and thought I'd come up with a good concept for making chides to editors who leave incomplete documentation trails by creating sort of a wet diaper award. It seems to be drawing some adverse reactions, and even before I'd spammed a request to some others like this for brainstorming on how to shorten same and evolve it, as I'm not happy with it either. Subsequently, it's already drawn fire (here) before I could ask in help and get suggestions. Can you take a look and comment here. There has to be some way to let people know 'shallow edit actions' that reflect poorly on our pages need a talk note justification, no exceptions, thankyou. Much appreciated // FrankB 23:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)