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Contents 1 Welcome 2 Keith Jarrett 3 Louis E. Dieruff High School 4 Keith Dorney 5 Friendly Note 6 Category 7 Just a note about your changes to the Lehigh article 8 Thanks 9 Plainfield Township 10 Northwestern Lehigh School District 11 Reply 12 Tim Massaquoi 13 Hi, thank you 14 PA 100 15 Yocco's 16 "Seems unnecessary?" 17 WikiProject Pennsylvania 18 Yocco's in South Whitehall? 19 Freedom High School 20 Frank Reed Horton 21 Lehigh Valley 22 Ottawa Lynx 23 William Marchant & Leon Carr 24 Category order 25 Philly meetup 26 Your userpage

[edit] Welcome

Hello PAWiki and welcome to Wikipedia! I'm glad you've chosen to join us. This is a great project with lots of dedicated people, which might seem intimidating at times, but don't let anything discourage you. Be bold!, explore, and contribute. If you want to learn more,

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[edit] Keith Jarrett

There's a bit of a problem enlarging thumbs anyway (I think that it's better to let the viewer decide whether or not to see a larger version), but in this case there's an extra dimension: the album-cover image in question is usable by us under fair-use rules — and these are normally taken to extend only to articles about the album itself. There are also considerations of size and quality (it mustn't be large or of high quality).

I'm reluctant simply to remove the image, given that it's all we have in the article at the moment, but it shouldn't be enlarged. If a promotional photo, or other image whose use relates to the person rather than to an album, could be found, that would be better. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 15:39, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Louis E. Dieruff High School

I'm afraid the notice will have to stay until the remainder of the AfD period (5-7 days) to allow consensus to develop. — Garykirk | ^talk! 11:49, 10 May 2006 11:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Keith Dorney

Id appreciate it if you would stop deleting facts about keith dorney everything i put is 100 percent true and can be found in his book.--Northbay 18:53, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Friendly Note

Hi PAWiki,

Just a friendly note to say hello; I am encouraged to see local interest in Pennsylvania articles. If you have any interest in Penn State University, take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pennsylvania_State_University -- just a few of us coordinating our efforts. Take care, GChriss 02:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category

I assumed that it meant musical groups that are currently performing and/or recording. I'm not committed to its being in the Keith Jarrett article, though. As for the normal ordering for cats in biograhical articles, there's currently discussion on that, but the overwhelming majority of article have general categories first (dates of birth & death, "living people"); that's sometimes followed by the rest in aphabetical order, and sometimes by nationalities followed by professional cats. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

You've cited the MoS as saying that categories should be in alphabetical order; where did you find this? I had thought that categories didn't come into the MoS at all. Wikipedia:Categorization of people, however, states clearly that there's (as yet) no consensus on ordering. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:33, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Until there's consensus, though, it's best to keep to the nearest thing to a de facto standard. One problem with alphabetical ordering, incidentally, is that it's unrelated to the subect matter (and it's only useful if you know in advance howe the categories are named (are articles on Japanese theatre under "Theatre of Japan" or "Japanese theatre" for example?). You might want to join in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categorization of people. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just a note about your changes to the Lehigh article

I noticed that you changed my edit of a student to faculty ratio from 9.9:1 to 99:1. The statement I have comes from the most recent publication of the "script" for the Lehigh tour guides as I am one. I will change it back to 9.9:1 but if you can point me to where it states otherwise I'll be glad to inform the director of the tours that there is an error in the script. This will not only help at wiki but it will help the tours if something is inaccurate.

Just looking at the numbers however, 9.9 students/faculty member * 600 faculty members = 5940 students = approx. number of current lehigh students.

99 students/faculty member * 600 faculty members = 59400 students = really high student numbers.

--Plm209 12:12, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the punch-up on my addition to Allentown about railroads. You should join the PA Wikiproject to help direct others where work is needed (and help others out where work is needed). Keep up the good work!

Skabat169 14:20, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Glad to help, and I did join and look forward to participating. Thanks a lot. PAWiki 22:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plainfield Township

Regarding your recent edit of the Plainfield Township article, wouldn't it more accurately be described as a suburb of Easton? It is closer to Easton than Bethlehem, and it borders on Forks Township, which is part of the Easton Area School District. I've made the change, but I figured I'd run it by you, as you seem to be the most vigilant and persistent editor of eastern Pennsylvania related articles. Sixtus LXVI 00:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Not to further nitpick, but I also changed some more of your edits. Specifically, I listed Allen and Lehigh Townships as suburbs of Allentown, as they are closer to it than Bethelhem. I also listed Forks, Lower Mt. Bethel, Upper Mt. Bethel, Washington, and Williams townships as being Easton suburbs, as they too (like Plainfield Township) are closer to Easton than Bethlehem. This leaves Bethlehem, Bushkill, East Allen, Hanover, Lower Saucon, Moore, and Upper Nazareth firmly within the ambit of Bethlehem. I apologize for clogging up your talk page with this, but I didn't want you to assume I was some asshole just ignorantly changing your edits. Sixtus LXVI 00:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Northwestern Lehigh School District

PAWiki, I really appreciate your help with the NWLEHIGHSD article. However, please detest from removing all critiques of the district. This creates a school sided POV, something Wikipedia aims to avoid. Before making large scale changes in the future please discuss on the articles talk page. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation, and happy editing. Old TI-89 17:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the criticisms you mentioned in the article seemed very petty and not encyclopedic and most were unsourced. It appeared very petty, and I'd suggest not including them. Some day, you might have a serious, news-worthy criticism, and that will look pretty foolish sitting along side a criticism that the course material was only available in Microsoft word, etc. etc. PAWiki 17:09, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

First off I have nothing against you, and I see where you are coming from, PAWiki. In response to the question of libel, nothing is considered libel unless it is NOT true, no matter how bad it is. Second, all of these critisems are true, no matter how petty they may seem. I have added the "verify" tag, as I seek more sources. You will notice that at this point in the articals development, many positive points made about the artical are not YET properly sourced. I hope we can continue to work together to make the artical better. Old TI-89 (u|t|c) 00:13, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

P.S., any user can add warnings. And I've eddited Wikipedia for much longer then three days, inder an IP.

[edit] Tim Massaquoi

Tim plays for the Miami Dolphins now -- he was selected off waivers about a week ago, [1] -- cheers man, 18.220.1.58 04:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Right you are. The NFL site still had him with Tampa Bay. Good catch, and thanks. PAWiki 22:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi, thank you

Hi PAWiki, Thank you for the edit formats on the Bob Anderson (runner) article. I am unsure when to use italics and quotes in articles. I would like to make sure I format things properly when editing so I don't create more work for people. Also, I'm not sure how often to use internal links. For example, if the name of a town is used and I add an internal link, do I keep adding it if the name of the town is repeated in the text? Where do I find that information for future reference? KarateLadyKarateLady 16:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind note. Glad I was helpful. PAWiki 17:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PA 100

Please explain how Pennsylvania Route 100 is not a stub. --TMF ^{T - C} 02:41, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I added both {{Pennsylvania-State-Highway-stub}} as well asl {{cleanuppash}} because Pennsylvania Route 100 does not meet the standards as set by WP:PASH. --myselfalso 12:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

What don't you get? PA 100 is a stub and those templates are needed to correctly identify the article as a stub. --TMF ^{T - C} 16:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Stub articles are usually brief and missing substantial pieces of information. This is actually a pretty thorough article, even though I'm sure more can be added. Nonetheless, I trust your view on it and have maintained the stub status. Good luck in continuing to develop it. It's actually a pretty important and heavily traveled highway, as I'm sure you know. PAWiki 17:45, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the harsh words above; that was mainly a result of frustration as a number of editors have been removing tags lately, making it hard to keep track of maintenance. I'll justify my viewpoint on the stub. Yes, it does have good information, but it can be enhanced by the junction table and an overview list of communities along the route, both part of the PASH standards. Also, when you say that the article on PA 100 is thorough, to me, a truly thorough article is something along the lines of Pennsylvania Route 39 or New York State Route 104. I'm not saying the PA 100 article is bad, not at all, I'm just saying that more can be done and the stub tag helps me, as well as my fellow editors at WP:PASH, to remember to add to the article later on. Thanks for understanding. --TMF ^{T - C} 19:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yocco's

I probably was too abrupt in that removal, for which I apologize. I think it would have been better to phrase it more generally, because it did come across as "yeah, lots of people think theirs are the best, but Yocco's really is." And of course, cited sources always help. Nevertheless, you're right, it's a content issue that I should have discussed or left alone. However, concerning your ominous reference to other editors complaints on my talk page - without both sides of the story, those don't mean much. FreplySpang 16:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Seems unnecessary?"

Re: Cheesesteak: Please don't remove "unreferenced" tags unless you're supplying references. I'm not sure what "seems unnecessary" about references to you, but the verifiability policy does not say anything about references being unnecessary just because the topic is fun, or light-hearted, or about popular culture. Dpbsmith (talk) 17:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Pennsylvania

There are four articles being threatened by a merge proposal. The details are listed here Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pennsylvania#Announcements. Would you mind weighing in (hopefully in support) of keeping the articles. --evrik 01:45, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me to this. I agree that the merge is a very bad idea, and I have registered my opposition. PAWiki 17:46, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yocco's in South Whitehall?

PAWiki, I hate to nitpick, but Yocco's on Hamilton Street is within Allentown city limits by about a 1/2 mile:

 http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=2128+Hamilton+Street,+Allentown,+PA+18104

South Whitehall's township line does not come any further east than Reading Road and College Street in that immediate area -- still quite a distance from Ott St., let alone the Yocco's...

 http://southwhitehall.pa.net/pdf/2002_Street_Map.pdf

I used to blow off lunch at William Allen High School to get my pierogie fix there. I didn't make any changes to articles mentioning South Whitehall as location... Alphageekpa 21:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I will make the correction. PAWiki 17:47, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Freedom High School

Hi PAwiki

thanks for helping me with the Freedom page. The school is in a fierce rivalry with Liberty, and when I saw that they had a better wikipedia page, I felt the need to create one for Freedom. I am new to updating Wikipedia so I don't know how everything works yet.

-Mark

Thanks for the kind words, Mark. You did a good job developing it, and I was glad I could assist. I notice someone is questioning the copyright on the photo you used. You should clarify that, or they will probably delete it. Hope you also like what I did with Lehigh Valley Conference, which should be a good article, I hope. PAWiki 17:48, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Frank Reed Horton

What do you need in terms of approval for the Story behind the founding? I'm on the National History and Archive Committee for Alpha Phi Omega. Naraht 05:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I would just contribute to the article. I don't know what the source was for the "article" by Frank Reed Horton, but I'd suspect there are copyright issues and, even if there aren't, the format was all wrong. Contributions aren't by-lined, etc. PAWiki 17:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

The "story behind the founding" is a part of the Alpha Phi Omega pledge manual and describes what Frank Reed Horton did to start the fraternity. I probably should move significant parts of it over to the Alpha Phi Omega page. I've got other pieces of history for him that are appropriate and I can link to the story behind the founding as appropriate. Naraht 18:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

You can't just place a piece of copyrighted writing in an article, however. It needs to be originally written. PAWiki 17:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I understand that. But, having permission from the National Office to express in my own words the contents of the pledge manual and history book should do fine. (Which I have) Naraht 17:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lehigh Valley

Hi, I noticed you added New Jersey categories and articles to Category:Lehigh Valley. This cannot be correct, the Lehigh River (and thus the Lehigh Valley) ends at the Delaware River, which forms the New Jersey-Pennsylvania border. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 19:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

No comments? Are you going to revert those changes? --ChrisRuvolo (t) 20:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, but my ISP keeps getting blocked. Yes, I added the Warren County locations under the broader definition of the Lehigh Valley's geographic domain included in the article, which would include this one western New Jersey county, including Phillipsburg and surrounding areas. PAWiki 03:51, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with this categorization. Lets take this up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pennsylvania. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 21:43, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, well, disagreements will happen, I suppose. I did offer a compromise solution on the WikiProject Pennsylvania page, which would include removing all the eastern Warren County locations. But the locations I added were all restricted to Warren County and quite a few of those locations--Phillipsburg, Alpha, etc.--consider themselves a part of the Valley and are generally considered a part of it. Let me know if that works for you and, if it does, I'll take on the effort of making the appropriate removals. PAWiki 23:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ottawa Lynx

The ballclub is still owned by Ray Pecor Jr., and still plays in Ottawa at Lynx Stadium. Please refer to the International League Directory for confirmation.

Please prove that the team does not exist, otherwise, please stop with the edits...they are wrong!

I'd respond directly, but you have no username. No, you are wrong. The Lynx are being renamed November 16, the team was purchased months ago, and it will leave Ottawa following the 2007 season. PAWiki 13:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

If on November 17th, there is still not a team playing in Ottawa called the Lynx and opening up their 2007 schedule in April, then we can agree that this should be a historical article. If that is not true, then please stop making these incorrect edits.

I'm fine with that approach, as I stated on the talk page there. But it was not correct to be listing the old ownership, deleting its move to Allentown, removing its new MLB affiliation, etc. Maybe the Lynx name stays for '07 and, if so, then all that's needed is to add the new name that will be used in '08. If the name takes immediate effect, as you suggest, it needs to be a historical article. PAWiki 17:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

There may be a name announced in November, but that name will not be used in Ottawa, and the Lynx will exist for the 2007 season, at the least. The name for the club in Allentown, may be tied to that team, but until the team officially ceases operation in Ottawa, you cannot deem this page historical. You have made many inaccurate assumptions during this debate, and ask that you please do not edit this page unless you know the facts.

[edit] William Marchant & Leon Carr

PAWiki...I spent a couple hours researching these two, no mention of High School attended... Alphageekpa 16:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks for getting back to me and good work on the additions. PAWiki 13:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category order

hi PAWiki, good work on the Carson Kressley article. i'm curious to know where you found the Wikipedia correct order of categorization. i've been working on Queer Eye and the articles of the five cast members, and just yesterday got all the categorization on all the articles to be more consistent, and in some kind of an order that made sense to me. can you tell me what wiki policy you referred to in changing the order on carson's article? -- Denstat 19:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, there was and maybe still is no policy, but I noticed that they are often just randomnly listed, so many editors like to list them: dob, living people or dod, and then alphabetical after that. It makes reviewing the categories easier, obviously, for readers. I suspect a formal policy will ultimately get developed, if it hasn't already, that will either adopt this order or something more sensible than just random listings. Thanks for your note. PAWiki 02:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Philly meetup

Hi! There will be a Wikipedia Meetup in Philadelphia on 4 November. If you're interested in coming, RSVP by editing Wikipedia:Meetup/Philadelphia 2 to reflect the likelihood of your being able to attend. If you have any questions, feel free to ask my talk page. Hopefully, we'll all see you (and each other) on the 4th! --evrik 16:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your userpage

Just a helpful suggestion: you might want to redirect your userpage to this page instead of leaving it blank. That should reduce the vandalism on that page. Happy editing! Timrem 20:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)