Talk:Paul Pierre Lévy

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[edit] Lévy dragon curve

(Discussion copied from User talk:Solkoll and User talk:Gandalf61)

Saw your changes to Lévy C curve and Paul Pierre Lévy. Can you explain what your definition of the Lévy dragon curve is, and how it differs from the Lévy C curve ? The only references I can find to the Lévy dragon curve are actually about the Lévy C curve (see here for example). When people refer to a dragon curve without qualification, they always seem to mean the Harter-Heighway dragon curve, which I think has nothing to do with Paul Lévy. I don't mind removing the phrase "also known as the Lévy dragon curve" from the C curve article, but, as far as I know, there is not a separate curve called the Lévy dragon curve. Gandalf61 11:01, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)

Hello Gandalf! About the Lévy curves: I'm not really sure where I read about the curves, (and maybe the source was wrong), it was some years ago now. But as far as I know there are three diffrent, closly related curves. At the moment I'm uploading images of IFS fractals I'm creating to "Commons". There I uploaded these three images the recent day or so, (doing this I also made some changes to the wikipedia articles about the curves, as you know =)

Lévy C curve

Lévy dragon curve

Harter-Heighways dragon curve

Here you can see the diffrence between the "Harter-Heighways dragon curve" and the "Lévy dragon curve". Using IFS (random game), the construction of these curves are almost the same.

Lévy C curve:

• two points in a plane, (two "rules")
• scale factor; 1:sqrt(2) for both rules
• rotation angles; rule [0] = 45º, rule[1] = -45º

Lévy dragon curve:

• two points in a plane
• scale factor; 1:sqrt(2) for both rules
• rotation angle; 45º for both rules

Harter-Heighways dragon curve:

• two points in a plane
• scale factors; rule [0] = 1:sqrt(2), rule [1] = -1:sqrt(2)
• rotation angles; rule [0] = 45º, rule[1] = -45º

I'm not 100% sure I got it all correct, but it's close =)

I hope this helped you a bit? If I can find some kind of source for this information, then I get back to you. // Solkoll 17:09, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your response on my talk page, and for the illustrations. I have re-read Lévy's original paper "Plane or Space Curves and Surfaces Consisting of Parts Similar to the Whole", and I cannot find any mention of the curve that you are calling the Lévy dragon curve. Lévy presents various general results that apply to any self-similar curve, but the only two 2-D curves that he discusses in detail are the Koch curve and the curve that he refers to as C₀, which we call the Lévy C curve. All his figures show the Lévy C curve. In the copy I have, which is in Gerald Edgar's anthology "Classics on Fractals", Edgar adds commentary in which he refers to Lévy's C₀ curve as the Lévy dragon curve, which is another reason why I thought this was just another name for the Lévy C curve. Can you provide any reference that links your Lévy dragon curve to Lévy, or that calls it the Lévy dragon curve ? Gandalf61 11:07, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

In the absence of any evidence that Solkoll's Lévy dragon curve has any link to Paul Lévy, I have removed the reference to it from the article. Gandalf61 11:09, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)