Talk:Patrick Ruthven, 1st Earl of Brentford

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Is he better known as the Earl of Forth or the Earl of Brentford? Mackensen (talk) 22:27, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Good question. In the First English Civil War which uses text from 1911 he is known as "Forth" until he was granted "Brentford".

So I guess he and his contemporaries would have considered the Earl of Brentford a promotion. However I am aware of the old Scottish jest that every Scot who crosses the boarder increases the average IQ of both countries ;) --Philip Baird Shearer 17:06, 8 September 2005 (UTC)