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[edit] Pronunciation

Er...isn't it "wah" and not "roo-ah"? I've never heard anyone, even native French speaking Canadians, pronounce his name as a two syllable anything.

I've never heard of anything else myself, and the NHL's own Media Guides during his career, which include pronunciation guides, uses "wah". RGTraynor 19:13, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
Its suposed to be "rooah"(pronounced as one syllable, with rolling r and a short ah). "wah" is an approximation only. Unfortunately most English speaking people can't get the "rolling r" part (it involves moving the tongue in an unfamiliar way). Kilrogg 21:02, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
It's easier if you'ra fan of chopsocky films... Did you know he's fave goalie among HK film buffs? ;) Trekphiler 02:49, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I put in an IPA [ɻɑh] but I'm not an expert on this so if it's off please correct it. --Legalizeit 09:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
The R roll is the rear throat trill common to French and German. The best approximation is definately not "Rwah", but "khwah", though the sound ends up closer to "wah" because of how lightly the R is pronounced here.

[edit] Rivalry?

Is it worth mentioning Roy's fights against Vernon and Osgood? Being from Detroit it's always been a big deal for me, since Roy is the reason the Av/Red Wings rivalry exists.

Er, no, the reason there might be any such rivalry is that those two teams have been top dogs in the Western Conference for a decade, and bragging rights and Cup finals have tended to go through each other. That a couple goalies choose to flail away once upon a time is no less trivial than naming Bob Probert's top ten fights. RGTraynor 11:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Retiring Roy's Number in Montreal?

Patrick Roy is probably the greatest player ever to play in Montreal in the last 20 years. He personally won two Stanley Cups on his back. Anyone who watched the playoff runs in '86 and '93 would agree that he was the chief architects of those Stanley Cup wins. He had flair, poise, amazing skill and talent. His flair and bad temper, however colourful, unfortunately lead to his being shipped out of town.

Should Roy's number be retired? The Montreal Canadiens hockey club is such a great organization with so many phenomenal superstars on its all time roster. However, the greatness of the club has waned. Since the retirement of Lafleur in 1984, very few truly great stars have played in Montreal. One of the exceptions is Roy.

Roy is a shoe-in to the Hall of Fame. The Avalanche have already retired his number. Perhaps the Canadiens hockey club should look beyond the petty squable that led to his trade and honour this man. Roy certainly wasn't perfect, but he was great. He was someone to aspire to be. He was a great French Canadian, a great goalie and a great Montreal Canadien. It's a shame they haven't retired his number yet. Any thoughts?

Hanes3777

Yes; that it's a subject better raised on blogs or hockey discussion forums, which this isn't. RGTraynor 04:16, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Being a young truth seeker myself, I find that is the biggest downfall of all for Wikipedia. It's not a place to share ideas and exchange information. It's the truth as defined by one source, repeatedly refined by infinite secondary sources whose zealous editing keeps anything significant from being accomplished in this forum. Wikipedia should be more than just an online encyclopedia, it should incorporate the points of view of its contributors and encourage discussion, not hide it away. I predict in the coming years we'll see a shift in online reference materials, but probably not here.
To the point though, I am first-hand aware of the impact Mr. Roy had on the city of Montreal and much of the nation during his prime. The events that led to him leaving the Canadiens are a blemish on their fine history. Hanging his jersey in the rafters is an honor that is well overdue. Regards. Blaze
I wouldn't call it a downfall at all, any more than it is a "downfall" that hockey games don't typically include auto races, carpentry workshops, jury deliberations or other worthy pursuits that don't in fact have anything to do with hockey. If I need reference materials, I'm looking for facts, not for debating forums. Deliberately setting out to include multiple POVs lead not only to the fallacy that there are POVs for everything, but to the absurd situation already all too prevalent in our culture that fringe viewpoints (generally lacking any meaningful rigor of proof) held by a microscopic percentage of the population are equally valid to those widely accepted. There are many forums that cater to such things. Wikipedia is not one of them, and why would anyone want it to be? RGTraynor 08:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 500 club

Doubtless Patrick isn't happy about this, but he's credited with giving up the 500h goal to 2 players, only goalie ever to do it, I'm told, to Steve Yzerman & Joe Mollet. Trekphiler 14:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Joe Mullen. Zipster 20:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)