Talk:Pat Finucane (solicitor)

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[edit] Stevens Report

How come there is no mention of the Stevens Report, which deals in detail with the Finucane murder?

It is available at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/northern_ireland/03/stephens_inquiry/html/default.stm

See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevens_Report

The findings of the Stevens Report regarding the murder of Pat Finucane should definetly be incorporated into this article. --Sus scrofa 05:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] collusion v instigation

Sort of splitting hairs here, but is the murder believed to have been perpetrated "at the instigation of" or "in collusion with" the RUC? This article says both. I have only heard the latter from media sources, and the former is a more severe disparagement of the police. On the other hand, why would a bunch of thugs seek to kill a defense lawyer in particular?

Also, the Patrick Finucane entry needs to be merged with this, and one or the other replaced with a redirect. Tafinucane 06:54, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Suspected vs claimed

My latest revert of User:RightForScotland's edit is because there really are wide suspicion about collusion among human rights groups. That is the reason for the many calls for an independent investigation, there would be no need for that otherwise.--Sus scrofa 08:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

How about alleged versus suspected versus claimed? News groups use the word alleged when there are no current charges against an individual/s in a situation where a legal case could/is due to be brought. Why alleged - because you can't be sued or bring a court case down using alleged, but you can using suspect (which is a legal term surrounding someone interviewed but not yet charged by the authorities), and claimed (ie - you claim therefore show us the evidence). I note in the disputed/rv'd para that there is presently no link to an external reference that uses any of these words - so at present, wiki is open to legal technical dispute on its own POV. I have placed a fact tag in the para, in the hope that someone will provide a link to a media source (none of these non-media sources please), which says one of the words, which we can then use -ie, we are just noting fact, not creating our own POV. I know some will find this difficult, but please understand the legal position and wiki's noting of fact. Rgds, - Trident13 09:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, "suspicion" also has a non-legal meaning. I think clarification of that in the text might be needed. If, say Amnesty International and the US Congress, did not suspect collusion then why would they call for an independent inquiry? Also, according to the above mentioned Stevens Report, the murder of Finucane was a case of collusion (points 4.6-4.7). --Sus scrofa 15:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)