Talk:Parti libéral du Québec

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Need to develop history - particularly origins as parti rouges and role in the Quiet Revolution.

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OK, now we need more info on the Liberals between confederation and Lesage Andylehrer 23:25, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Relation with Liberal Party of Canada 2 Title of the article on Quebec Liberals 3 November 16 edits 4 Lots of vandalism

[edit] Relation with Liberal Party of Canada

The article states that the PLQ has no official relation with the LPC. What kind of relation is there? Does the PLQ participate in federal elections? The election results only lists the Liberal Party of Canada. Does the LPC participate in Quebec provincial elections? Gangulf 10:55, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I think the article's statement is correct. Their is no official relationship between the PLQ and the LPC. There is no sharing of executives, the organizations do not send delegates to each other's conventions, etc. If I recall correctly, the old PC Party granted automatic delegateships for conventions to PC provincial politicians (MLAs, MPPs, and MHAs). I do not expect that the LPC would do that for PLQ MNAs. The LPC does not run in Quebec elections, and the PLQ does not run in federal elections, but nor do they officially support each other at election time. Unofficially, most PLQ supporters would probably vote LPC in federal elections, and vice versa, but this is not always the case. I think that many PLQ types worked for the Mulroney Tories during that era.Kevintoronto 13:20, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, so it seems that the relation is similar to the relation between PQ and BQ. How does that work for the other provincial Liberal parties. Gangulf 13:36, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Until 1964 the Fédération Libérale du Québec (constituting the PLQ) was part of the Fédération Libérale du Canada (LPC), meaning that it was not an autonomous party. Since then there have been no official ties between the LPC and the PLQ, but other ties, as stated above do persist. Tremblay 17:10, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

From what I read, the ties with the PLQ were severed by the PLC because of the overt nationalism of the Quiet Revolution, as lead by Lesage and the PLQ. We cannot forget about the PLQ that it has been a very changing party, not only on nationalism, but also on left-right politics.

Honoré Mercier was quite nationalist (he even called the party Parti National) and seemed to have become independentist at the end of his life. Godbout did have a soft stance on the subject but did speak of a public consultation for an equal union between Quebec and Canada, something that was reminded by René Lévesque when he presented the 1980 referendum question. Lesage was nationalist (he did have plans for a special status, something that did not materialize) also and Lesage's PLQ had many sympathizers of independentism, like René Lévesque or Yves Michaud (many of those would leave for the new Parti Québécois). Robert Bourassa's politics were somehow close to nationalism but were more pragmatic. Also, one wonders if he would have pushed as much for the "distinct society" status if he had not seen it as a way to block the Parti Québécois' ideals. The post-1995 and Charest era now has the PLQ sterile about any national recognition. One reason of this progressive shift towards national "indifference" might be the departure of the left-wing nationalists towards the PQ and later the same thing with the right-wing nationalists to the ADQ. It's the same with left-right politics. From its social-democratic 60's, the PLQ went to the Bourassa centrism to the present right-wing Charest neoliberalism.

The "flexibile" nature of the party is visible in the logo evolution, actually... If you notice, the party symbol has often changed with no opposition (the present one has been adopted only in 2003, for the election). The Parti Québécois, a party with much more stable ideals, itself has only changed once, and only slightly (the bar of the Q is now larger and shorter; I believe it changed in the 80's). You can imagine the contestation if the logo was changed without warning! ;) --Liberlogos 21:10, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Title of the article on Quebec Liberals

Given that most articles on political parties in Quebec have a french title (Parti Québécois, Action démocratique du Québec and so on), I think we should move the article "Liberal Party of Quebec" back to "Parti libéral du Québec", with all english titles point to it.

However, if there is a consensus on keeping the article under an english title, then it should be moved to "Quebec Liberal Party" (with all other titles pointing to it), which is the official english name of the Liberals in Quebec. --Mattcliche 01:33, Jul 28, 2004 (UTC) "There seems to be a general prefeence to name all political parties in Wikipedia by there English names. I do not see a reason not to do that with Quebc parties. Gangulf 05:28, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

This is a sticky question. I think that using the English name for the PLQ makes sense because it has an English name, and its English name is what is commonly used. The PQ, UN and others, do not seem to have English names, except in old textbooks where the term "National Union" is used, but that sounds really funny now, doesn't it? So it makes sense to use their French names instead of translating them. I've never seen a successful translation of Parti Quebecois. The Equality Party should also be under the English name because that is what is used in English. I don't think that English speakers would ever call it the Parti e'galite' even though they would talk about Action de'mocratique. There are my deux cents. Kevintoronto 13:25, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I am aware it is a sticky country in a bilingual country like Canada. On the other hand, parties in Germany, Switzerland and even Russia, are not listed under their original names, but under translations of their names. So all the texts I have updated, I stick to that convention. I do not think I will change other Quebec parties, but I really think they should also be listed with English translations of their names. Since there is an official English translation of the PLQ, I would now prefer to move the page to Quebec Liberal Party. Gangulf 13:50, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Actually, it seems that a significant number of "non english" political parties are listed under their original names on the english Wikipedia (obviously, for english speaking countries, there's no question about it ;-)). Here are some examples (as of July 28, 2004):

* Groen! (Belgium)

* Socialistische Partij - Anders (Belgium)

* Vivant (Belgium)

* Khmer Rouge (Cambodia)

* Det Radikale Venstre (Denmark)

* Enhedslisten (Denmark)

* Kristendemokraterne (Denmark)

* Socialdemokraterne (Denmark)

* Vihreä Liitto (Finland)

* Les Verts (France)

* Synaspismos (Greece)

* Partido Liberal de Honduras (Honduras)

* Janathipathiya Samrakshana Samithy (India)

* Samajwadi Party (India)

* Sinn Féin (Ireland)

* Ha-Yerukim (Israel)

* Likud (Israel)

* Democrazia Cristiana (Italy)

* Tautas Partija (Latvia)

* Déi Lénk (Luxembourg)

* Christen-Democratisch Appèl (Netherlands)

* De Groenen (Netherlands)

* GroenLinks (Netherlands)

* Partij van de Arbeid (Netherlands)

* Socialistische Partij (Netherlands)

* Det norske Arbeiderparti (Norway)

* Fremskrittspartiet (Norway)

* Høyre (Norway)

* Kristelig Folkeparti (Norway)

* Sosialistisk Venstreparti (Norway)

* Zieloni (Poland)

* Yabloko (Russia)

* Partito Comunista Sammarinese (San Marino)

* Esquerra Unida i Alternativa (Spain)

* Kristdemokraterna (Sweden)

* Miljöpartiet de Gröna (Sweden)

* Moderata samlingspartiet (Sweden)

* Socialdemokratiska arbetarpartiet (Sweden)

* Vänsterpartiet (Sweden)

* Kuomintang (Taiwan)

For some countries (especially in Scandinavia and Benelux), articles on political parties with the title in the original language are the rule, not the exception. It is also the case for articles on Quebec political parties, where most titles are in french (anyway, most political parties, ancient or current, have no english title at all). In that context, I think we should stick with "Parti libéral du Québec" and other french titles (except for the cases specified by Kevintoronto).--Mattcliche 03:27, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)

I rest my case. I thought there was a convention. There seems not to be one, so why should I impose an English name. So if somebody could restore the French title. Generally, I would suggest a convention to name a party either in the original language or in an English translation and at the same time hevaing a redirect page from the other option to the chosen option. Gangulf 07:26, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] November 16 edits

I've reverted all of the edits today because they violate Wikipedia's policy on a neutral point of view (NPOV). The anonymous editor should acquaint him/herself with Wikipedia's policies. Kevintoronto

[edit] Lots of vandalism

I reverted about two weeks worth of vandalism; however I'm not sufficiently knowledgeable of Quebecois politics to be sure this article is in an accurate state. Someone who knows the subject should review. --EngineerScotty 21:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)