Talk:Panic! at the Disco

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This article was nominated for deletion on 12 October 2005. The result of the discussion was keep and move here. An archived record of this discussion can be found here.

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[edit] PATD/Dresden Doll Video

Anyone want to post the Dresden Doll/Panic video that got about 700,000 views before it was pulled from youtube by panic's record label? It was repost on youtube at http://youtube.com/watch?v=vY2WLMf0F_c and now has about 30,000 more views. More info is at the Dresden Doll wiki site. The old video was at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewqkF_lzqRQ and was removed, saying "This video has been removed at the request of copyright owner Roadrunner Records because its content was used without permission."

[edit] Name Capitalization

According to the band's website and iTunes Music Store, the band's name is Panic! At the Disco, not Panic! at the Disco as it is now. Someone wanna rename the page and fix the article to match? 216.175.112.139 06:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

  • This has been brought up MANY times. There was even a move war assoc with this. This is a wiki thing, not a band thing.Hackajar 01:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, look at the bell hooks article, by your logic it should be Bell Hooks... J0ggl3 21:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


First of all, there is nothing wrong with the grammar to my eye, there are plenty of cited sources in the article itself, and the article is indeed neutral. Maybe if you'd become a registered user and get your feet wet doing some editing on some other articles, your opinion would have some "weight" to it. However, given both your own grammatical errors and your anonymous ststus, I will ignore this "suggestion" for the time being. The article is locked to new and unregistered users because of a steady stream of vandalism being done to the article. --CJ Marsicano 16:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to hear some arguments for the non-capitalization of the "at". Because as far as I know, it is officially capitalized as "Panic! At The Disco". That is how it appears on the label page and ID3 databases as well. Kame2000 12:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Channel One Interview

I know for a fact Channel One News held an interview with Panic! on september 21 (today, actually), but I don't know where that should go in the article or if it should even be mentioned. I have no real sources to back it up other than i was watching it at my school. --Wikiwow 21:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Band's Philosophy Section

can there be a section created to outline the band's underlying message or philosophy? a lot of it is speculative, but i think i'm not alone in saying that its something that should be discussed. Robbie 21:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

This'd probably go in the album page for A Fever You Can't Sweat Out. since it is their only album and underlining message/philosophy/otherwise may be different on their next album. Kame2000 12:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non-existent Categories

Just a note: o.O someone put in the category section two non-existent categories, so I removed them. If anyone knows who did this, um... Why? XD;;; It just seems, you know, pointless and inane, so I'm curious.

[edit] Artist Infobox

Somebody removed the unused sections on the infobox, which destroyed it. I would put back what was in place, but I cannot edit from this IP, if someone could fix this, it'd be great. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Diehard2k5 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Palahniuk

Is it worth mentioning somewhere in this article the band's pre-occupation with Chuck Palahniuk? Many of their songs are either named after or contain quotes from his works, and their only album is a Palahniuk quote. Satchfan 05:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree on this, a lot of themes parallel his works. Robbie 21:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

i'd go so far as to say they stole entire lines. lame.xx little anna 18:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Stealing would involve palming off his lines as their own, which they don't do. What they're doing is quoting. Lots of poets and songwriters do it, including classic ones. So it's only lame if you don't like Palahniuk. BTW, why are so many haters devoted readers (vandalizers) of this page? Something about this band really gets at certain types of people, which considering those types, gives them more creds in my eyes. mnewmanqc 01:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

but he's suing them, you can't just quote anyone you want. xx little anna 00:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hate speech removed

Subject says it all. If you don't like or respect the band, don't even read their article, let alone edit it or write bullshit here. Anyone that has a problem with that and is willing to be adult about it, I'm not hard to get in touch with. --CJ Marsicano 05:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] slightly wrong... can someone change it considering that i cant...

"It's like some people don't even realize we have a whole album of incredible hardcore mood metal. 'I Write Sins Not Tragedies' isn't the only [song] we've written."

wasnt it "whole album of songs"... coz i HIGHLY doubt brendan urie would say that

MOOD METAL? This band is the exact opposite of metal the music in here is so soft why would you even call it metal thats probably the worst label ive heard to date.

They've sold 1,333,121 million copies of A Fever You Can't Sweat Out now,can someone change that?

[edit] Question

Didn't they write other songs like Camisido and Time To Dance? I can't seem to find articles on here about them. (The songs) Just curious. 69.245.103.98 19:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes they have - There's links to the album and the singles they've released from the album, which would be the most relevant songs from said album, in the main article. You could always sign up here at Wikipedia, and create the articles on "Camisodo" and "Time To Dance" if you could find enough info on them. Since those are just album tracks which have not had much exposure, though, those could just as easily be additions to the article on A Fever You Can't Sweat Out, but redirect links could always be made to the album article or those subsections thereof. --CJ Marsicano 21:14, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Shouldn't the page be labeled that it's protected? Sakura Avalon 02:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an admin., but this page is not vandalised nearly enough to be protected. Pages that become protected are typically vandalised at least a few times everyday. This page is not.Spuddy 17 03:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
On the contrary, this page has been vandalized on a ridiculously regular basis - mostly from people posting homophobic slurs on the (all straight) band members. --CJ Marsicano 15:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
How do you know they're all straight? There are certainly economic reasons for any of them not to come out as gay, and this is something people lie about all the time. mnewmanqc 19:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Nothing justifies posting those kind of remarks on what is supposed to be an unbiased, encylopedic article. Sorry to break the news to you. --CJ Marsicano 14:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
If CJ's remark was meant for me, I was not trying to justify vandalism or homophobia. I'm gay myself. My point was simply to question the assertion that particular band members are straight. If the claim is based on knowledge of their lives, fine. It's just their whole style is very sophisticated intelligent high camp without falling into camp cliches, and they seem influenced by gay artists. That's what I like about them, and I think that's what a lot of non-fans either don't get and what provokes the homophobic reactions. So basically, I'm on your side. I'm just a bit suspicious about assertions of heterosexuality of celebs. mnewmanqc 03:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Newman, I was speaking in general, to be perfectly honest - that wasn't directed solely at you. Sorry if you thought that was. Thanks for the input. I'm straight and I've had the "faggot" ephitet thrown at me since 6th grade (I'm 39 now) - it's just ignorant juvenile bullshit and it really fucking turns my stomach. --CJ Marsicano 03:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Cool. I agree the content of the vandalism was familiar enough from my hs years too. Things are getting better in this regard, but this kind of shit just goes to show how slowly. I suspect a good portion is done by self-hating closet cases.mnewmanqc 13:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
There are not enough revert to put a vandal block on site. Also, they look at how well article is reverted by wikipedian's "watching" article. If there is enough to do reverts, they will not waste time with instituting a block.Hackajar 02:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
A vandal block was put on this several weeks ago to deflect the constant string of vandalism done to this article, and it was recommended by the admin that the block remain indefinitely. I am the one that requested the block because the vandalism was getting way out of hand and had resumed with a vengance after the previous block was removed. --CJ Marsicano 14:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
More vandalism...that annoys me so much. MJB12 23:45, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
You and me both, chief - only it grosses me out. Pass the Pepto. --CJ Marsicano 03:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Are PATD...

...Really "Alternative rock"? They sound similar to a lot of bands and I hate to see the term alternative get so overused.

alternative means anything not mainstream. pretty broad. Robbie 07:16, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Alternative Rock is a misused term. Altrock can really describe some of the underground bands during the 80s like the Pixies and popular bands of the early 90s like Nirvana. Pearl Jam is a great example of an alternative rock band thats still around and their sound is nothing like Panic's.

[edit] Not Emo

Hay! Panic! At the disco is not emo!!! They are alternative rock. Brendon Urie (The lead singer) said he was sick of people labelling them as emo.They do not write depressing songs about killing themselves and dying. They write of heart break! So change the thing on thwe page and get your facts right!!

I love Panic! At the disco Thanx



I will agree with you that P!ATD is not emo, but "depressing songs about killing themselves and dying" does not define you as emo. Emo is a complete genre. Emo is defined just as you would define Metal or Jazz, by the complete sound and style of the music. Lyrics are a small part of this equation. In fact, while depressing lyrics about a multitude of subjects, including but not limited to your mention of heartbreak, may be heavily used in more recent emo (90's), lyrics about killing yourself has never been prevalent, if any.

also FYI, saying "killing yourself and dying" is redundant. Killing implies death.Iii9ix3 06:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with the article- Panic! is not electronica or pop punk, and I think they'd be a bit shocked if they saw that. Really, they are a bit emo and definitely rock, if not alternative rock. If no one replies in the next few days, I'll change it as the source does not agree- it did not say that Panic! was a mixture of pop-punk, electronica and dance, it said "these young rockers play a high-energy set of their emo-styled punk". They also play rock, and the only dance song I know of from them is the start of Intermission. CattleGirl talk | e@ | review me! 04:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


Oh seriously, there is a lot of dance sections in P!ATD's album. Does that change the genre though?

They're not pop-punk at all. Green Day is pop punk and to even consider calling this band punk is just out of the question. Calling them punk is basically putting them in the same broad genre as the Clash and the Ramones who are not even close to the same as Panic!. Emo/Electronica is a much better label.

Dude, I think they are not Emo. I think they are Big Beat and Techno with Alternative rock. It says on their Myspace page. User:Emile hsu 7:33, 29 November.

[edit] Does emo have to be a bad thing?

Some people of the world WOULD classify PATD as emo. Deleting any information in this article about PATD being emo, just because you don't think they are, is insecure and destructive. A lot of people like emo music, and I don't see anything wrong with that.

I find PATD to relate a lot to My Chemical Romance, who have had a reputation of being an emo band for as long as I can remember. Please don't delete information from wikipedia, thanks.

Litanss 12:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A Fever You Can't Sweat Out -> "Introduction"

Have you heard a sentence in Polish in the "Introduction"? It's starts at (about) 17th second of the tune. --Mataga 10:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Panic! did not contact Pete through LiveJournal

Ryan Ross use to be on the old Fall out boy boards and he use to post Panic!'s two demos. Pete found them. The rest is history. They only say they posted in his livejournal for he wont be embarrassed.


Uh-huh... and you know this how? DrowningInRoyalty

In the interview on the DVD in the "Collector's Box", it says that they posted the link to their Pure Volume site on Fall Out Boy's LiveJournal, and Pete Wentz saw it, they didn't contact Pete Wentz directly.

[edit] I Write Sins Not Tragedies

That video looks like a deleted sence from A clockwork orange.

This page is for discussing the article, not the band. If you wanna talk about them, talk on your userpage or on a forum. DrowningInRoyalty

Just because they said they did that doesn't mean it is true. Anyone can lie. I use to go on the (old) fall out boy boards were he use to post. I wish had some proof but I don't. But you can tell that they are lying because they say livejournal then they switch it to purevolume.

[edit] The Reading Event...

The Article states

"During PATD's opening song on August 25, 2006 at the Carling Weekend: Reading Festival, an unknown audience member threw a bottle at the stage, which struck and temporarily knocked out Brendon Urie, forcing the band to stop playing. After some minutes, he got back up and shouted to the crowd, "You can’t take me out! Let's see how well you guys do with my left side," and continued with the same song.[6]"

Thats lies... Brenden was down on the floor for ages then threw a hissy fit and stomped off only to be brought back on by other band members... ^^ that is just P!ATD fans glorifing a truely embrassing moment in the bands history... needs changing

RuSTy1989

Actually, from what I know about the incident, he was down for about ten minutes, got up, shouted out to the crowd and kept going. For the moment, I think we should keep the article as is and if we find a number of relible sources that say otherwise, we change it. Remember, we need to back it up. CattleGirl talk | e@ | review me! 02:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. My cousin was there and the events he mentioned did coincide with the article. If you don't like them, then how do you really know anything about them? I mean, I don't remember people specifically looking up bands they don't like. I mean, maybe I'm wrong and you did go or read a lot about it (which I highly doubt), but if so, provide us a citation. DrowningInRoyalty

[edit] Build God, Then We'll Talk

Does anybody know when this single is coming out? Because there last few singles failed in the US, solely because "I Write Sins" was such a monster hit, this may be their next Top 40 hit...if it's released. Doc Strange 13:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pet Salamander

The beginnings of the band is wrong in the main article. Brent Wilson and Ryan Ross knew each other from high school, and Ryan knew Spencer Smith from his neighborhood. The three of them formed a band called Pet Salamander together, and started out covering Blink 182 songs. The band WAS NOT started by only Ryan and Spencer. Brent WAS NOT recruited, but an original member of the band. Brent transferred high schools where he met Brendan Urie in a music class. Had Brent never transferred high schools, Panic! at the Disco may have never gotten as popular as they are now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tadow3015 (talk • contribs) 05:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Genre

There's been a lot of discussion all over the place about what genre Panic! is. How about this: If we find a solid source stating the genre (solid= preferably not MySpace or YouTube, but actual, trusted music review websites.) put it in and list the source in 'External Links'- however everyone has different opinions on the genre, so discuss that here, and then change if required. CattleGirl talk | e@ 06:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

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