Portal talk:Palestine

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Somebody please help me with this. Revolución 02:00, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Any help with the "Did you know" section would be greatly appreciated. Revolución 06:14, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Rename

Palestine page is a disambig that - correctly - mentions Eretz Israel in the very 1st line. This portal needs to be renamed into State of Palestine or Jamahiriyya Filastin of some such. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 02:58, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

    • I don't think that is necessary. It mentions the region of Palestine, but this isn't about the historical region of Palestine. This is about Palestine, the people, the culture, the nation (although not yet independent), and all other Palestinian-related issues (such as Israeli-Palestinian peace process, and all that. Of course this is closely related to Israel, and I will welcome cooperation between our two portals. ;-) Revolución 23:36, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • Renaming it would be absolutely inappropriate, and highly offensive. This is about modern-day Palestine - the land of the Palestinians - not about the various historical usages which have motivated the disambig, and there is no ambiguity in its present-day use. - Mustafaa 00:24, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Israeli's have "Israel" as a portal, so it's absolutely innapropriate to tell the Palestinians that they can't have "Palestine" as their portal. Blackcats 08:44, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Portals aren't "owned" by any one group; like all Wikipedia content, they are a colloborative effort of Wikipedia editors. As well, portals aren't created for the purpose of advancing causes, but for the purpose of providing related and useful information to Wikipedia readers in one logical location. If a portal does not do that, then it has no reason to exist. Jayjg (talk) 17:57, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The only person to have mentioned "advancing causes" here is Jayjg. Actually, if there's one thing this can really help with, it's fixing the ridiculously numerous gaps in Palestine coverage resulting precisely from the fixation on conflict-related items (though if it helps in NPOVing the more blatantly biased articles on conflict-related stuff, that would also be good.) - Mustafaa 21:49, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
How else would one interpret the argument that Palestinians need to have a portal because Israelis have a portal? Jayjg (talk) 21:52, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In the context of WP:CSB, for a start. - Mustafaa 20:25, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hmm. It didn't sound like that to me. If you wanted to counter systemic bias, you wouldn't have a portal on either one before you had one on Brazil and Russia and Nigeria and Sudan etc. There's already far too much information about Israel, Palestine, and the whole conflict on Wikipedia, compared to more important topics; adding even more only worsens systemic bias. Jayjg (talk) 20:45, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Partly true - in the spirit of which I just wrote Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Algeria. However, all this information (I think of some of it, like knowledge wars, as "Mideast-cruft") focuses exclusively on one aspect of Palestine, leaving many important topics empty for lack of a direct relation to the conflict; furthermore, the paucity of Palestinians editing here means that even conflict-related articles tend to lack a Palestinian perspective (tend to be openly anti-Palestinian, frankly.) - Mustafaa 20:56, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The systemic bias is more likely the result of what wikipedians know about rather than some mysterious jew cabal. I think it would be innappropriate to rename to Portal: State of Palestine. There's no Portal: State of Brazil, just Portal: Brazil, which includes the nation, geography, culture, etc. If you want to counter systemic bias a better way would be to try to write NPOV articles than to rename a portal which would be out of sync with all the other portals just to demonstrate a point. savidan(talk) (e@) 14:18, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notice Board

I just recently noticed the Wikipedia:Notice board for Israel-related topics. I think it would be a good idea if someone made a Wikipedia:Notice board for Palestine-related topics. Blackcats 08:50, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree, so I just made one. - Mustafaa 20:24, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Palestine" vs "State of Palestine"

I do not have enough knowledge yet of what the purpose of a "wikiportal" is, but there needs to be a clear distinction between "Palestine" and "State of Palestine". A "Palestine" wikiportal needs to be just about that: Palestine, meaning the Palestinian nationality, history, struggle for independence, customs, politics, current issues, folklore, etc. The "State of Palestine" declared in 1988 is a very narrow (and currently low in relevance) aspect of "Palestine". I will try to adjust that in the coming days, unless anybody else has time to go at it sooner. The intro paragraph of a Palestine wikiportal should not at all mention the "State of Palestine" of 1988 in the first sentence no more than the first page of an India wikiportal should mention the Sepoy Rebellion in its intro sentence. Ramallite (talk) 17:10, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That makes sense, but kind of begs the question as to the exact scope of this portal; would news, for example, of some incident in Jaffa be included? Jayjg (talk) 17:53, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I wouldn't worry about that. If you're talking about daily news, almost all internationally noteworthy news coming out of Palestine unfortunately has something to do with Israel anyway, and usually vice versa. It's kind of what happens when two nations share the same piece of land I guess. Are news items updated manually each day, or is that section linked to some sort of automatic subscription service? If the news item happens to involve anything to do with Palestinians, from violence to curfews to food festivals to sports, then I expect it would be on this site, but if it's something exclusively Israeli, like for example Yardena Arazi giving a concert at the Society for the Preservation of Walnet-flavored Hummus headquarters in Tel Hashomer, it probably wouldn't be too relevant in a Palestine wikiportal. Ramallite (talk) 18:31, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You see, this is where I get confused. Should the intro be rewritten? I was under the impression that you had to include the intro to the article corresponding to that wikiportal e.g. the Canada wikiportal's intro is the same as the intro in the Canada article. But, there is no article that combines everything into a general article about what we refer to as Palestine. when one types in Palestine, it goes to a disambiguation page. And from that page, there is Palestine (region), Palestinian territories, State of Palestine, and Palestinian National Authority. But no article that talks about everything in Palestine, the culture, the history, and so on. So there are two options : we can write the intro ourselves, and link to the disambiguation page in the "read more". Or move the disambig page to Palestine (disambiguation) then use Palestine to write about Palestine. Since "State of Palestine" is only about the proposed state, and "Palestinian territories" only is only about the region. Revolución 04:50, 12 July 2005 (UTC)


I agree. Essentially, I'd say this is about Palestinian-related issues, anywhere in the region. - Mustafaa 21:46, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] This sentence

Currently, the Palestinian National Authority, along with the European Union and the Arab League, envision the establishment of a State of Palestine to include all or part of the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem, living in peace with Israel under a democratically elected and transparent government.

Is that really the stance of Hamas? savidan(talk) (e@) 14:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Probably not, but, at the same time, I've read nothing to suggest that Hamas has attempted to pass legislation which would change the Palestinian Authority's official stance. Until they do so, the above assertion stands. -- (Mingus ah um 01:14, 21 April 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Cleaning up/Merging/Splitting Palestine related articles

Seeing as this is the Portal for Palestine I thought it would be the best place to suggest and get feedback on setting out a plan to make Palestinian-related articles easier to navigate. There are many discussions on the relevant pages but perhaps here we can organise better and get consensus on the best way forward. I've spent a lot of time navigating around these articles and there seems to be little connection between related topics. For example shouldn't PLO Executive Committee include the Politics of Palestine template (horizontal navigation bar). I would suggest using a country infobox for State of Palestine and a seperate template (horizontal navigation bar) with Palestine or Palestinian territories as its main page to include geography, history, demographics etc. There could be endless arguments about what should and should not be attached to the State of Palestine page so I think until there is a viable Palestinian state then the best thing to do is to make Palestine or Palestinian territories the starting point. Pockets23 10:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

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