User talk:Paddu

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[edit] History of List of environment topics:F-G

During the deletion of this article, I didn't conside the GFDL attribution loss to the degree you are mentioning. This article is a list of other articles, but is still desrving of attributation. I've merged the edit history of it to the history of List_of_environment_topics:F to maintain the contributors list. Please note, that it appears that the original contributor of that list did so with a cut and paste move from List of environment topics, possibly loosing attributions at that point as well. xaosflux Talk/CVU 23:54, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Proof that 22 over 7 exceeds π#Question

In what sense is p(x) symmetrical? I find it symmetrical only when large values of |x| are involved, which is expected as then it would approximate x6. And BTW, I suppose you meant 4/(1+x4) instead of 4*arctan(x). -- Paddu 03:35, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

It's not p(x) that's so symmetrical, it's the integrand: p(x)- 4/(1+x2). (And yes, I meant that instead of arctan - thanks.) If you look at it just between 0 and 1, it looks like a nice bell curve, sort of. -GTBacchus(talk) 20:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Calghighrshonours.gif

You say you have provided the image for the "private use" of Wikipedia users. But you have tagged it {{copyrighted free use}} which means people can use it not only for private purposes but also e.g. for commercial purposes.

Wikipedia no longer accepts "non-commercial use only" images. Hence either you must licence the image under some free image licence acceptable to Wikipedia or the image should be deleted. I'm not sure how the latter is acceptable since while uploading the image you would have had to agree to licence the image under a free licence since you are its copyright holder. -- Paddu 20:04, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I thought it went without saying that the Copyright license selected takes priority over the Summary. I believe the copyright notice on that page nicely summarizes the legalities of the image; I see no reason to make changes or delete the image. Incidentally, what made you click on the page/image? Thank you.Michael Dorosh 20:13, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page edits

Thanks for your concern.. that IP is used by ~400 undergrads so it's likely to have made a lot of edits all over the shop.

[edit] Tag Confusion

Look,i got permission from the photographers,but if such a rule(permission only for wikipedia) exists then its just making our lives tougher,i mean why should he release it into public domain,its his image he can very well demand money for it elsewhere,if the tag can be changed please help me to do so.If you want i can paste a copy of the email granting permission.I would be very dissapointed indeed if such rules prevent users like me who respect copyright,get permission and still arent encouraged to upload.I also havent read through the whole document its way too long(i mean the rules) could you please highlight the relevant section,i also didnt the logic behind this rule)if it exists).Prateek01 07:06, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paranoia

You state on your user page: "I suffer from copyright paranoia w.r.t. contributions from myself (which's why I've contributed almost nothing to the 'pedia)."

Which makes it doubly puzzling why you continue to stick your nose into the work of those that do make bold contributions. If your only claim to contributing is to delete the contributions of others, you haven't added anything to wikipedia; indeed, you've only contributed to that feeling of paranoia on the part of others that prevents them from contributing. Maybe, with all due respect, you need to re-examine why you are here. If it is to enforce policies implemented by others, ask yourself who those policies are really serving. Not the users of Wikipedia, but the handful of people who wish to protect themselves from liability issues. Their interests are in vague legal concepts, nothing more.Michael Dorosh 15:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I haven't claimed to have contributed anything here, I haven't claimed I added anything valuable here, and I feel I need not examine why I'm here unless I'm banned. BTW whoever the policy serves, they are to be enforced since this site is not owned by either of us but by the Wikimedia Foundation, which is intent on enforcing these policies. -- Paddu 16:43, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interstate shields

I would then have to update each description separately, as they refer to the border being 0 pixels (which used to work before the SVG software was modified). Additionally, Commonist won't mass upload and overwrite (which is probably a good thing for vandalism prevention). --SPUI (T - C - RFC) 14:47, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User page formatting

Yes I know my userpage is crap, especially when comparing to such as yours, but I removed most of the userboxes, I was just testing them. I agree it doesnt look well (not only in Mozilla though), but unfortunately as you can see I'm not that active on the en., so a page as good as yours will have to wait.Thanks for the coment though... --AndersL 13:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Vandalip

By this edit you made Template:Vandalip a copy of the version as of that date of Template:SharedIP. Hence the template has now become redundant. Moreover, since the edit doesn't give a link to Template:SharedIP, the past history of the text pasted is not clearly visible, in violation of GFDL. (I'm not sure if the text is small enough to not be copyrightable.)

Should Template:Vandalip be made a redirect to Template:SharedIP? Or should Template:Vandalip be reverted to the earlier version where it only talked about reporting network abuse? I'd prefer the former since the "network abuse" clause has been added to Template:SharedIP. -- Paddu 06:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I did not know about the Template:SharedIP template when I made that edit. I got the text from User_talk:143.231.249.141 which I mentioned in the edit summary. At that time I did not know that it was a subset of Template:SharedIP. I found it neat that it told users that it may be shared.
I believe that Template:vandalip should become a redirect for shard ip. I made that change because many vandal IPs are shard through a corporation. (However, not all are!) That makes it a sticky situation. But, because vandalip has one of those {{{1}}} things where you can insert information into the template, and because it says may be shared. It also may not be shared. Because the vandal ip template is on some IPs that are shared we need to mention that. So yes, I support the merge and redirect.
I think we need to propose that on the talk page. --michael180 20:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Chief Ministers of Tamil Nadu

I have not interacted with you before. But I notice you participate in Indian politics related articles. I made some updates on the article. Please check and comment. I want to see it a become featured list. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 07:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Not sure if that MGR pic will stand fairuse. It was removed by OrphanBot previously for that reason. Again, I don't want too many troubles at the WP:FL regarding fairuse pics. - Ganeshk (talk) 20:31, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I am not going to revert your last edit. I will let the images stay there. Please reconsider keeping the MGR pic per my message above. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 20:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Got your message. The blank spaces in the records section look odd though. Can anything be done? - Ganeshk (talk) 20:36, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
The article looks much better now. Karunanadhi pic move made the difference. The blank spaces do not bother me much now. - Ganeshk (talk) 17:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Please check here and respond. - Ganeshk (talk) 16:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
It's on FLC. Thanks for all the help. - Ganeshk (talk) 19:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] wowturkey

Hi Paddu,

If wowturkey made a policy specifically for Wikipedia, and allowing images on it to be unconditionally used for Wikipedias commercial interests i.e. answers.com, would this be sufficient? Or must the images be completely and unconditionally relased? --A.Garnet 20:14, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, I have not yet spoken to them, but if there was a way to limit the licence to just Wikipedia, i thought i would enquire before i or others attempt to give free reign over all their images. Like you say, may be better to come to agreement with them over a number of free license images that they can give us, and perhaps this can be an ongoing thing, i.e. if there is an image that is very relevant we can ask them to release it. If they agree of course. I think Met said he was going to have a word, i will wait and see if he has any luck. Cheers, --A.Garnet 20:54, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey i was wondering if this tag: ==== "Any-purpose" copyright ====
  • {{ABr}}—A photo copyrighted by Agência Brasil, that can be freely reproduced as long as credit is given to the source and the reporter.

is also suitable for wowturkey? Metb82 19:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh well. We obviously can't use that tag as of now. I got really irritated and blurted out a response at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Turkey, but please clarify if what you meant is "using that tag straight away" (which is what I thought) or "asking wowturkey.com to licence under this tag".
BTW, thanks for pointing out the {{ABr}} tag to me. I really wonder if such licences are considered "free enough" since they don't seem to bother about the rights to modification and use of modified versions of the images. I've raised this issue at Wikipedia talk:Image copyright tags#"Any-purpose" copyrights truly "any-purpose"?. -- Paddu 20:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

when i was speaking to them, i was "asking wowturkey.com to licence under this tag" not if we can use them despite the commercial thing. Actually the important thing is, they allow us to use it in any way we want. The only problem is coming from wikipedia not because they have doubts know about the commercial part. Metb82 23:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I dont see where they've expressed reservations about their images being used commercially. After all, the stated aim of wowturkey is to promote Turkey and to share photography in general. I dont see where the part about specifically attributing the image to wowturkey comes in either, because removal of the wowturkey logo would require editing, which in turn would result in a different image. Kilhan 11:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

    • I'm uploading pictures that I like and there wouldn't be pictures except 16 images. The one is Mardin, looks like bad quality and it's a lot for the galery. So, There are enough picture for now.

Sincerely, ZaparojdikUser:Zaparojdik

[edit] 3RR

It is not a 3RR violation Paddu.

  1. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkey&diff=56156414&oldid=56142358 Revision as of 15:25, 31 May 2006
  2. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkey&diff=56206020&oldid=56185578 Revision as of 21:39, 31 May 2006
  3. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkey&diff=56298205&oldid=56290411 Revision as of 11:07, 1 June 2006
  4. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkey&diff=56298920&oldid=56298226 Revision as of 11:16, 1 June 2006
  5. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkey&diff=56519835&oldid=56505660 Revision as of 16:46, 2 June 2006
  6. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkey&diff=56519937&oldid=56519835 Revision as of 16:47, 2 June 2006

Edits 3 and 4 were not reverts. If you see i left some of his images, i was trying to strike a compromise in what was otherwise a poor collection of images he was trying to upload. Reverts 5 and 6 did not therefore constitue a 3RR violation. Thanks, --A.Garnet 11:24, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes 5 and 6 can be counted as reverts, but it did not infringe the 3RR rule since it was more than 24hrs after revert 2. I havent been involved in a constant revert for a long time, so perhaps that is why i lost track of the number of reverts/edits i was making. I'm not the sort to get involved in these things, i've been blocked for a 3RR once in my whole time on Wikipedia, and that was as a new editor. Thanks for bringing it to my attention ayway. --A.Garnet 12:38, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindi recommendations

The link that you gave contains a personal scheme of the author. Such personal schemes vary from person to person, and book-by-book in Hindi-Urdu dictionaries. Of course, Govt of India does use ज़ for /z/ (and does not use .स for anything), but then /z/ occurs in loanwords, for which the Govt is not concerned, since it emphasizes Shuddha Hindi. My thing is a recommendation coming as a suggestion. In lexical words from Persian, one can continue with ज़, but for English loanwords, usually it so happens because of a "hypercorrection" (over-correction), most Hindi speakers convert /s/ into /z/, and the uneducated ones further to /j/. e.g., स्विट्सरलैंड (right pronun.) → स्विट्ज़रलैंड (wrong)→ स्विट्जरलैंड (absolutely wrong). See, despite all halla-gulla, Hindi is still a highly non-standardized language, since it is not used much by the educated and elite people. Hence we reserve the right to make such recommendations. And bolchaal waali Hindi meant Hindustani, the principal dialect of Hindi-Urdu. It certainly does not include Bolchal waali Hindi of Bombay streets. Hope this clarifies. Cygnus_hansa 23:38, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


See, we are not using formal written Hindi (which, going even one step more, should be shuddh Hindi). My argument is that we are inviting people who are foreigners, who are learning Hindi, and they would write like this. We don't want to scare them off. And ये वो forms are valid in spoken Hindi and used in written Hindi too, though less frequently. They are certainly not contractions, with which you have compared. And the ISO standard you have shown is about "transliteration of Indic characters (incl. Perso-Arabic) to Latin characters", and not of Perso-Arabic characters into Devanagari (it is clearly mentioned there). It says that current devanagari uses only five modified devnagari characters क़ ख़ ग़ ज़ फ़, and the others are personal schemes of John Borthwick Gilchrist [1804], [1810/1825] and various other works; and the dictionaries of Platts [1884], Forbes [1866], and Shakespear [1849]. And you did not get my point: the problem is not that .स will fully "teach" all rural people how to pronounce /z/. If it will, it will be mistaken for /s/, which is valid and better than being otherwise mistaken for /j/. I don't know how much linguistics you know, but /s/ and /z/ are like sisters: voiceless and voiced alveolar fricatives, and frequently interreplace each other in most languages. Whereas j (/ɟ/ or /dʒ/)is too far of a relative. It is voiced postalveolar plosive or affricate. Thus, it is more acceptable for /z/ to be mispronounced as /s/ rather than /ɟ/. And as I said, we reserve the right to make such recommendation. In English wiki too, users only have contributed to such recommendations. Cygnus_hansa 21:14, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
ये वो are not slangs and are used many a times in written Hindi too. Further, it is the only 3rd person pronoun used in Urdu, which is not linguistically different from Hindi. Their use is not a requirement but recommendation, and so is the use of .स . Contrary to your perceptions, ङ is never confused with ड, and .स has never been encountered before. See, those schemes I told you were used (by very few writers) for transliterating the voiceless dental fricative thā ﺚ, a phoneme which does not exists either in Hindi or Urdu. I have never seen any Hindi book using this symbol (thus it is nt "popular"), because it is converted to normal स, even in Persian and Urdu (but not Arabic). The same phoneme occurs in English (as in think), and is transcribed with थ, never .स. I understand your question, and that I cannot get any ISO or other scheme for my transliteration, but I still don't consider this as original research. You are welcome to link our discussions. It is sad that you consider these recommendations scary, I wished you could have contributed. If you wish, we can stop the discussions.Cygnus_hansa 22:43, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
BTW it just occurred to me that even a person reading in English would pronounce "Switzerland" with a /z/ instead of /s/ unless the person knows how to pronounce words of German origin. [In spite of learning a little German, I still wrongly pronounce "Switzerland", "Einstein", etc. unless someone reminds me.] I don't think such mispronunciations can be easily eliminated. — You are wrong, my friend. Native speakers of English do not make these mistakes. I and you will, because we are non-native speakers. Native speakers tend to acquire these pronunciations from their elders and teachers, and not from the spelling, unlike we and even our own teachers do. And Switzerland is an absolutely anglicized word, no matter even if it is of German origin (die Schweiz). One doesn't need to know even a tiny bit of German for pronouncing it. The funda is like this: /t/ is what we call a voiceless consonant. /z/ is voiced but /s/ is voiceless. So by the principles of phonetics, immediately after a voiceless consonant, if a voiced consonant comes, it will have a strong tendency to become voiceless. Similarly, native speakers do not pronounce the noun house as हाउज़ but as हाउस. Indians pronounce it as हाउज़.Cygnus_hansa 04:23, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of TN CMs -- blank spaces & overlaps

Can you say under what conditions was the Annadurai+Rajaji pic overlapping with the Madras State table? I never saw them overlap. Thanks! -- Paddu 06:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

It overlaps on a 1024 x 768 display setting in Monobook. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 06:47, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
It's featured! Thanks again. - Ganeshk (talk) 18:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I updated the vertical timeline with days instead of years. - Ganeshk (talk) 04:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question about copyright

Hi Paddu,

I was wondering, under what licence would this image have on the Commons? It says at the bottom of the page, Any use of this file must include "(C) Foley, Michael 2003/The Streets of Kabul", which gives me the idea that he gives people permission, so should I still contact him? Thanks in advance. —Khoikhoi 22:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Will do. —Khoikhoi 07:45, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish user at commons

commons:User:Hasan Sami Bolak has uploaded many images, citing only the website (in Turkish, I assume) but not giving any copyright tags. There are numerous messages in commons:User talk:Hasan Sami Bolak but I'm not sure the person understood that apart from citing the source one has to also give licencing info. for all the uploaded images. Can you try requesting (preferably in Turkish) to add licence tags?

Probably you could also offer some insight into the licencing info. of some of these images from what is mentioned (again, I assume, in Turkish) in commons:Image:Nihan Bolak tavşanıyla...JPG, commons:Image:Süleymaniye Camii-İstanbul.jpg. Thanks! -- Paddu 23:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I have talked to him. I also aranged the expansion of the tag which now has Turkish. --Cat out 12:03, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photos on the Istanbul article

Hi Paddu! This is about the pictures I uploaded for the Istanbul article. Actually I took the pictures myself and wanted to upload the pictures with GFDL tag. I think I may have omitted the licence selection while uploading. Now I want to change the license tag to GFDL, but don't know how to do that. Can you help with this please? RMehra 16:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Added license information. Thanks for the help. RMehra 03:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of TN CMs

Paddu, Please read this message and respond on that page. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 00:26, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian relocation

I see you've added something about the armenian relocation to the Turkey article. No respectable encylopedia article on the "History of Turkey" or "Turkey" (Brittanica, encarta etc or even countrystudies) mentions this stuff. They might do it on an article on armenians, or "Minorities in Turkey" , but never in "Turkey" or "History of turkey". Go check it out for yourself. The events themselves are heavily disputed.--Kilhan 18:41, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Im just saying that the absence of that particular event on encarta, brittanica etc. is a guideline that we should use to build up a good article. Many centuries of Byzantine and Ottoman history get just a few paragraphs. Ataturk who basically IS Turkey only gets a couple of sentences in the article. I'd like to see more post-Ottoman history in there, considering this article after all is about the "Republic of Turkey"--Kilhan 18:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Im sorry but this of no significace to anyone other a few armchair nationalist diaspora armenians. Since we on about this issue, are you as willing to add sentences about armenian terrorism into the article ? Kilhan 19:32, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Turkey's economic status

Dont you think its kind of awkward to mention it in the opening paragraph ? I think its better suited to go into Economy of Turkey. Anyway, Turkey isnt conventionally considered a "developed country". It might be in the future (maybe a few decades later), but definitely not right now. Kilhan 19:09, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I've taken it off and dumped it into Economy of Turkey. Besides, the HDI deals with a lot of things other than economic indicators such as life expectancy, literacy etc. Is it fine with you ? Kilhan 19:24, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Yep, sounds good. By all means move it there. And what about the similarly themed table in the demographics section ?

[edit] Ethnic groups in Turkey

I was the one that removed the mention of Tatars and Assyrians from the article. Tatars are a subgroup within the Turkish ethnos (like Yoruks,) - in fact about a fifth to a quarter of all Turks are Tatars. Assyrians only number in the thousands and are pretty insigificant if you really think about it in a country of >70 million. Im aware the same is true for the Greeks, armenians and hews. The difference is that Greeks, Armenians and Jews are recognised minority groups according to the Treaty of Lausanne and thus have a special status and deserve a mention. Kilhan 19:38, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

You might want to take a look at the Turkish people article to clear up the confusion. Especially this section -Kilhan 20:05, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

The current analysis of the Turkish populace seems pretty accurate to me. The groups you mention arent distinct, but subdivisions within the Turkish ethnos - like Bavarians and Austrians within the wider German ethnos.--Kilhan 20:44, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] this edit

US 41 has ended at US 1 since ca. 2000 - see [1]. --SPUI (T - C) 17:38, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes - note the END EAST 41 photo. --SPUI (T - C) 22:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Hello, I plan on getting a degree on computer science. I know it may seem a bit random, but could you e-mail me about what the experience is like? If you have MSN, you can add me to that, as well. My e-mail is cmc024@hotmail.com . Thanks a lot! --CMC 04:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Creative Commons

Hi Paddu,

I've recently come across www.flickr.com which contains thousands of images, some of them under a creative commons licence. Can i use the images listed under "attribution" on Wikipedia by simply crediting the author? The license page can be found here: http://www.flickr.com/creativecommons/

Thanks, --A.Garnet 11:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. --A.Garnet 10:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Class 171-cab.jpg

When marking images as non-commerical please check that they actually are. The license this image is under has been debated on at least two previous occasions and has been deemed allowable on Wikipedia every time. I don't have time to hunt down the reference in the history of WP:IFD but it is there. Thryduulf 21:23, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Birthday

Hungry? Here's a little snack for you on your birthday, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day, Paddu!

Have a great day -Ladybirdintheuk 08:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


The Wikipedia Birthday Committee wishes you a very happy birthday! Enjoy your special day.

Enjoy your day. Mr. Turcottetalk 12:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Image:Van3.jpg

The reason I didn't delete that picture was because of the information presented in your User:Paddu/wowturkey.com photo template, which included phases like "Please use our photographs as you like!" etc. It's all deleted now anyway (I didn't realise that's what you wanted). Petros471 10:39, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wowturkey

Paddu, could you please comment on what I have just added in WikiProject Turkey talk page. [2]. Regards. Cretanforever

[edit] C++ on wikibooks

Hi Paddu. I don't even know where to start... I'm sooo sorry the wikibooks admins didn't step up more forecefully to defend your rights.

I've been moderating disputes about that book for several weeks now, and your "friend" Panic is now blocked (only for 2 weeks, but if history tells us anything he'll be blocked again after that).

There are 3 contributors now on wikibooks who are interested in making the book better, and I thought it important to update you on this as well. Again, I'm really sorry you had to stand for that: I consider it a case of serious negligence on the part of the wikibooks admins for not doing something about it at the time. Please come back and feel free to work on wikibooks... the "new generation" administrators are nothing like the old ones, and we will be at your service, as admins should be. --SB_Johnny|talk|books 22:40, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I would also like to invite you and encourage you to renew your interest in contributing to this book. The book is now called C++ Programming if you wish to take a look. I'm an active contributor to the book and am wishing to try to renew interest in the book by people such as yourself who may have been disappointed by past neglect on the part of administrators there and hope your willing to give it a second chance. :) --Darklama 22:56, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Without wanting to exert pressure: I am one of those trying to contribute to C++ Programming again after a long break, and I would welcome your input. I don't know what caused you to give up; I can imagine some of it. If things continue to go well I'm considering recruiting from a pool of C++ folk I know. Oh, I notice that I'm not logged in here, never mind -- James Dennett 13 December 2006

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