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Contents 1 Welcome 2 PKK 3 Personal attacks 4 WikiProject Computer science 5 Talk:PKK 6 Image copyright problem with Image:King'sCollegeLondonStrand.jpg 7 PKK 8 Wow 9 Question 10 Your message 11 fyi 12 Mahzuni Şerif 13 Vandal 14 Wikiproject 15 Aşık Mahzuni Şerif 16 Inonu 17 PKK 18 Re: Yunus Emre 19 List of persecuted Turkish writers 20 Request 21 License tagging for Image:Medtv.PNG 22 congrats 23 Hello 24 Welcome! 25 Kurdish names for provinces in Northern Kurdistan 26 Reverting 27 When you have the time, could you... 28 WP:Lon 29 Biography Newsletter September 2006 30 Talk:Kurds in Turkey 31 "Free Kurdistan!" thing and et all 32 Degrees 33 Civility

[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

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[edit] PKK

Killing innocent Kurdish children, teachers and other civilians is fighting for beliefs!! It's OK, if you say so.--Hattusili 20:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Exactly "Kurdish" children, teachers and others and what makes you think or what proves that PKK killed those people. also check this: Picture This is also a very recent killing. See what the Turkish Army is doing to the Kurds then talk about the reactions of the PKK

This link does not work,please check it--Hattusili 20:39, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

It works fine for me. You might want to try this which has the index for many pictures of the recent events.

These photos really reveals some facts: 1. People even can carry the flags of PKK in Turkey without being attacked.(and even your source calls it an uprising) 2. PKK militants hide behind small children. 3. Police does not use guns even though they are attacked. Please publish these photos everywhere available.--Hattusili 14:41, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Those pictures show the opposite of what your saying; The Turkish media always mentions how the members of PKK cannot carry PKK/Kurdish flags but here are my people carrying it against your fascist country. There is at least 40 pictures in my source you should analyse it giving your full concentration. Especially the picture where a policeman tries to stop the photographer. This proves that your statement is false on the attacks of the police and army. If you want more evidence of the barbarian Turkish police watch some of those Turkish channels where they show their violence and are proud of it. Also on this topic everybody around me knows how back the Turkish prisons are. Infact they are recognised as the worst prisons in the world. I recommend you to watch some of Yilmaz Guney's films if you haven't the modern art shows my points in details. PKK in no way hides behind children; killing children and then injecting the idea that PKK is hiding behind children is what your government does to your people using media. The Police kills a child and your saying they aren't using guns? 10:46, 20 April 2006

This is my only answer to your Kurdish fascism: YOUR MASTERPIECE--Hattusili 23:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC) Image

Since when talking about problems and giving facts is fascisms? Why is it that you show me a picture of a dead child and make it out like PKK guerillas did it. That is an absolute accusing and not evidence. And labeling, what is the problem with you and labeling. It is as if when I disagree with the Turkish policies I am suddenly a PKK member. Hey and what happend in Semdinli? (aka, recent event) The perpetrators of the attack were caught by bystanders. They were revealed to be members of a gendarmerie special operations unit; and you except the Kurds to trust the Turks? 12:03, 21 April 2006

This is what you say:"This user supports the PKK and advocates the Kurdish human rights." Now you are accusing me to label you as a PKK member, even if you are not a member you don't deny your support. I believe that PKK is a fascist organisation (also most of your supporters may say that they are ethnic seperatists). Do you really believe that a special unit would make operations while they have their identities and other documents in their car(and they are using an official car)? And about the photo, it is a very well known event and PKK never could deny it.(I have some other photos of babies killed by militants and i can provide witnesses of Kurds who suffered from the PKK) I lived in the region for a long time and personally witnessed some meetings where they used children as shields. Although I can't say that conditions in the prisons are good; it is not related with our discussion. I disagree with most of the government policies but I would never support a group of murderers for that reason.--Hattusili 12:49, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

There is a difference between the act of supporting and being part of an organisation. I have many reasons to believe that your country is a fascist and a fake democratic oligarchy. If the members of a gendarmerie special operations unit are stupid or do not care/are proud if their identities are revealed then yes they will have all their identities and documents in their official cars. This is a fact no need to argue how innocent the Turkish army is; The resulting investigation developed into a major political issue in Turkey. Read some of Amnesty International reports. There you will read reports on how the army and police is accusing ordinary people being PKK members. How much freedom do you think there is in a country where school children start school saying "Happy is he who considers himself a Turk" where in your identity card you have to be a Turk and Islamic. The Photo: Your government never wants to listen to the PKK how could PKK deny it? You accused the PKK of hiding behind children now that you're talking about dead children do you not see that your statement was false? I can also provide witnesses of Kurds, Turks and others who suffered from the Turkish gendarmeries. Infact, the majority of the Turks and Kurds in Europe have applied for indefinite because of the pressures of the Turkish government. Nothing is more 'using for shield' then forcing/making a must that every single man joins the army at the age of 20. I've lived in the region for a long time too where by father and brothers were being tortured for months for suspicion for being part of DHKP-C and PKK. The prisons in Turkey are obviously related to what we are discussing. The departments are under the same umbrella; security and isn't that where the people who get caught by police/army go- obviously if they don't get killed on the way. If you disagree with most of the government policies you should be able to understand that for some actions there is reactions; especially if the actions are racist. 2:13, 21 April (GMT)

Supporting both terrorist organizations and human rights (Your userbox)? It is really interesting. --Kaygtr 17:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attacks

Yesterday you said to User:Hattusili, "The Turkish media always mentions how the members of PKK cannot carry PKK/Kurdish flags but here are my people carrying it against your fascist country." This is considered a personal attack and is therefore unacceptable. Please comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thanks. —Khoikhoi 14:32, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the warning I will not repeat the mistake. am I allowed to delete this section of the talk page? because it doesn't look good for my viewers?

I'm afraid not. You are, however, welcome to archive your talk page. —Khoikhoi 19:58, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Computer science

Hi, and welcome to WikiProject Computer science! Hope you find it both a worthwhile place to contribute, and good place to learn things from the other project members. Looking forward to collaborating with you in the future. --Allan McInnes (talk) 14:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:PKK

I saw your comment here, the place to go is WP:AN/I. —Khoikhoi 05:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] PKK

I've read the archive 1 of the PKK articles Talk Page and all I can say is that you are highly biased. I do not think you should be contributing to the PKK article. The information you provide is inaccurate on every section of the article. I think this biased is due to the event you have included in during you in the GAP project. You also very oftenly use in your arguments the fact that Turgut Ozal had Kurdish ties but you do not mention that by many it is believed that he was murdered. What you provide for the article has a POV and I would like to ask you to stop your hatred on the PKK and Kurds because I as a Kurd see what you call a Terrorist Organisation a solution to the Kurdish Problem. Finally, you've said that it is not a bad idea for the Turkish nationalist to force everyone to be one nationality. I am sorry but that is not the way it is. There is over 20 million Kurds in Turkey and many do not want to be called Mountain Turks. What Ataturk did was a big mistake he tried to make everyone Turkish, he couldn't accept differences and I see a problem there, I see a big mistake that is still continuing. Ozgurgerilla 09:08, 1 May 2006

Frankly, I think you must not be telling which articles I or anyone shouldn't edit.

I also do not understand why the heck are you sharing your beliefs with me. From what I can see you are at least ten times more biased than myself.

--Cat out 13:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I think I have the freedom to ask somebody to not contribute on a particular article if I believe that person is biased. Because I have close ties with the PKK I do not want to contribute on the PKK article. I believe you have national sympathy towards the Turks, at the least, I dig this from your contributions. Please let people with NPOV to contribute. I take your "at least ten times more biased" comment as nonsense. Ozgurgerilla 04:24, 2 May 2006

You are correct, "at least ten times more biased" comment was indeed nonsense.

People do not have NPOV. WP:NPOV is a wikipedia policy which dictates articles be written in a neutral tone. For instance calling PKK a "terrorist" organisation is out of the question. It is also out of the question to declare it as a "freedom fighting" organisation.

You do not have the freedom to ask anyone not contribute on a particular article as per WP:NPOV, WP:CIVIL, and a large number of non-negotiable wikipedia policies.

I have sympathy towards Turks, Kurds, Greeks, Americans, Japanese, and a long list of people. I believe it would be imposible for me to edit any wikipedia article if that was a problem.

You are welcome to cycle through my contributions, I have nothing to hide. If you check deep enough, you will discover that I have reverted people adding "terrorist" referance to articles such as the PKK, or Sep 11th attacks. What you may not see is the deletions I have gotten involved. I have for example recently gotten Category:Kurdish Terrorists deleted. I also gotten Category:Turkish Terrorists deleted.

So as a new editor please do not attempt to dictate what I can do and cannot do. If you want to work with me, you are welcome to do so. If so, how can I help you?

--Cat out 17:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I think people do obviously have some point of view about everything but in wikipedia we should be aware of the WP:NPOV policy. I wasn't dictating you and will not do it to nobody. I haven't checked the NPOV and CIVIL policies fully but I am probably allowed to ASK but not TELL somebody to not contribute on a particular article. First thing that made me write you a message is you saying how Kurds had a president in Turkey and what else could they want. Now that is very silly. Ozgur Gerilla 23:18, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wow

First of all, welcome (I've added a welcome banner at the top too). I read what you said on the Talk:Kurdistan Workers Party page and I'm amazed. Please stick around :)) - FrancisTyers 08:36, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

See also my reply here User talk:Gokhan#PKK. :) - FrancisTyers 23:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, unfortunately I don't have a TV, let alone a satellite receiver... I try to pay attention to Kurdish affairs though, so if you spot anything I might be interested in, let me know :) - FrancisTyers 00:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Cool! I'll check it out, I didn't realise that before :) - FrancisTyers 00:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

An anon in Izmir added this to your user page quite some time ago. Is it vandalism? —Khoikhoi 00:05, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I guess so, because I do not know the anonymous user or have told anyone to do it but I don't mind the edit because he/she did a favor for me; wrote a sentence in Turkish which briefly talks about me, you know, it is hard to type with Turkish letters on a English keyboard :) so thanks to anon. The anon also wrote my name with a url to my picture which isn't hard to find if you search it on google, if it is the ultra nationalist Turks somehow trying to threaten me :) Ozgur Gerilla 00:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Heh, weird. :p —Khoikhoi 00:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your message

Might be a good idea, I had discussed it before with User:Diyako before he was banned from Wikipedia, User:Heja helweda might be interested, as might User:El_C and User:Khoikhoi. User:Hectorian and User:Telex may also be interested.

You might be interested in reading Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman as you might come accross some of these guys when you edit Kurdistan/Kurdish related articles. You may come accross User:Cool Cat, who is generally an ok guy, but has a general bias against Kurdish self-determination. He had an ArbCom case here Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek, and is currently under probation.

I am currently working quite a bit on Wikipedia:WikiProject Soviet Union, so I can't start it up all on my own, but if you are interested I would be happy to help you develop it. I am watching the Ocalan article and a number of other articles related to Kurds, let me know if there is anything I should look at. - FrancisTyers 00:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Note: make sure you don't break the three revert rule on Abdullah Öcalan. Let me know if any other user does. Or alternatively if I'm not around you can report them Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR. - FrancisTyers 00:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I think we can let that one slide, User:Gokhan is reasonable as far as the Turkish users here go. If he continues, or escalates, let me know. Good luck with your exams! I'm currently working on my dissertation :) Btw, I'm going to make a couple of edits to your userpage, revert me if you want. - FrancisTyers 00:28, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] fyi

I thought that maybe you'd be interested in this AfD: [1] -- Karl Meier 19:47, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mahzuni Şerif

Are there any sources about Mahzuni Şerif's ethnic origin? also is it so important if he was not a Kurdish (or Turkmen)? In each case his works are unique.--Hattusili 20:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal

Hahaha, it appears to be an angry Istanbuli (is that the correct term?) who came across your user page. I reverted & gave them a warning. As for your second comment, I disagree, there is no "group" of Turkish nationalists at Wikipedia. If you ever see any POV-pushing, just let me know, and I can sort it out. However, you should have seen Turkey-related articles about 3 months back. There were several trolls who eventually got banned. If there was a Wikiproject for Kurds, I don't think I'd be that interested, as my interests shift too quickly. Kolay gelsin. —Khoikhoi 05:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

LOL, i thought that Khoikhoi would had made another link, under "trolls" (i have to admit that i was cheated...). so, Ozgurgerilla, i would be interested in a wikiproject for Kurds, but cause of limited time (for i am busy in real life), i won't be able to contribute as much as i would like... As our fellow wikipedian said above, let me know if u need help with any kind of POV-pushers. Regards --Hectorian 01:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject

Honestly, i am not aware of what is required to start a wikiproject. but i can advice u to ask abakharev, FrancisTyers or Jkelly who are admins. or maybe Khoikhoi who knows almost everything about Wikipedia... Do inform me when the project begins! i may not be able to contribute as much as i would like (due to real life 'demands'), but at least i will try. Regards --Hectorian 01:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Selam Özgür. I believe the instructions are at Wikipedia:WikiProject. Good luck! —Khoikhoi 02:05, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aşık Mahzuni Şerif

Hey, you might want to check out the Aşık Mahzuni Şerif article. Some user just removed the Kurdish part. Ciao. —Khoikhoi 15:58, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem, make sure to make a comment on the talk page, cite your sources, and keep an eye on the page! —Khoikhoi 22:47, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, any idea what this is about? —Khoikhoi 23:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

And this? —Khoikhoi 00:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Özgür! I'm impressed. :) —Khoikhoi 03:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inonu

İnönü'nün etnik kimliği ile ilgili halk arasında dolaşan söylentiler dışında herhangi bir bilgi bulunmadığını tekrarlamak isterim. Benim düşüncem ise makalenin bütünlüğüne tesir etmemiş bir not olarak İsmet İnönü başlığının tartışma kısmına eklenmiştir.

[edit] PKK

Hello, I'd like to ask some questions if you'd be kind enough to answer. I saw on your userpage that you say to have "support" the PKK. How come you support this organization which is recognized as a terrorist organization by most of the world? What are your justifications to oversee more than 30.000 casualities it caused? You understand what I mean, don't take it as an insult, my POV is irrelevant in this case, I just want to hear your opinion and your view only. I just wonder what has PKK to support rather than killings and bombings? I'd be glad if you care to answer on my talk page. Kültigin ^(talk) 14:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your time and interest but I must say that I'm not completely satisfied actually. Because as you can see I also live in Turkey for more than a year and I have some insight (not POV) about the subject. I also have some friends referring themselves as Kurds but they don't support PKK. I've never heard of them complaining about being treated unequal. They can freely talk in their own language, even on TV. I'm also told that there are special schools in the eastern part that Kurds can study their own language. They can vote as well as been elected. Actually my interst in you is that I've not encountered anyone (including Kurds) supporting PKK. There are also other ethnicities present in Turkey (of which none of them is conidered to be a minority but equal citizens to the state just like in France) and honestly I've never witnessed or heard any ethnicity being treated lesser than another one. The policies that you criticise as Turkification is exactly the same as it is in France, unified country. It makes no sense that among all other ethnicities only the Kurds formed a terrorist organization, why? No matter what the purpose, how can one justify 30.000 casualities? By the way you mentioned that 30% of Turkey is Kurds, is it really so? The largest number I've ever heard (again from Kurdish friends) was about 18million which corresponds to about 25% of 72million, which one is more accurate? Thanks again. Kültigin ^(talk) 20:35, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Yunus Emre

Hey, Özgürgerilla, I just noticed that—quite a while back (11 July, to be exact)—you put a "citation needed" tag on the sentence "Yunus Emre (1238?–1320?) was a Turkish poet and Sufi mystic" in the Yunus Emre article. Is there any particular reason that you did so, as nothing in the sentence seems (as far as I know, at least) to be particularly in doubt or contentious. —Saposcat 05:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of persecuted Turkish writers

I reverted your edit here because the nomination was already closed. I believe you're looking for the 2nd nomination. —Khoikhoi 19:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Hey Özgür,

How have you been doing? I recently came across the MED TV article. It's very biased, probably because it was mainly written by Sedat Laçiner (yes, he had two accounts here). I was wondering if you could read-through the article and make it more neutral. Thanks! —Khoikhoi 05:24, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Very biased??? It was really entertaing and good fun to read! It seems Sedat Laciner had several account, the one in his own name, User:Ankaram, User:David Falcon...the one replaced the other, and all did same edits: adding links to articles by Sedat Laciner, promoting Turkish nationalism on pages related to Kurdish TV-station and writing Laciner, himself and his small institutions. Bertilvidet 18:00, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

(to Özgür) Israel was great. :) I'm glad you enjoyed Tunisia. The article looks great now, thanks again! —Khoikhoi 22:13, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] congrats

ure a kurd, you love the PKK and seem to admire greeks too but how come you dont mention your love of armenians and their cause?, like that it would complete the missing link to your total devotion and appreciation of Turks! Its truly surprising what one can find in wikiland! lutherian 17:18, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

pkk is not the right way to defend kurdish rights brother (anon)

Mind you I wasn't attacking u at all, just helping you with the texture and consistency of your camel fodder reasoning lutherian 19:07, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

SOAD, a bunch of gay racist satanists represents culture for you? Go easy on the weed, it seems to be impairing your judgement lutherian 14:32, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

(Personal attack removed) lutherian 15:18, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hello Bertilvidet, I've realised what Serdar Laciner is after improving the MED TV article. Forget that ignorance. How are you? and where in Kurdistan are you from? Take Care. Ozgur Gerilla 18:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello Özgür Guerilla. Thank you for the kind message! I am however sorry to disappoint you that I am not from Kurdistan - I am just a simple Danish immigrant in Turkey ;-) Bertilvidet 21:14, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Of course you haven't disappointed me. Your situation seems to me very interesting . Now, I've head immigrants from Turkey to Eupore but not the opposite. I hope you don't mind telling me. How is it in Turkey? haven't visited it for years now. I just hope the government stops forcing people to join the army so I could easily visit Turkey and Kurdistan. Ozgur Gerilla 21:24, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Hehe...sorry to hear, that you can go back.

Unfortunately, Turkey is not the state to have an account to settle with concerning Conscientious_objection#Turkey military service - hope things will change to the better. How is Turkey, you ask - complex is my answer! But I love living here, thats for sure! Bertilvidet 21:52, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Özgür Guerilla, rojbuna te piroz be! :) —Khoikhoi 23:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Did that make sense in...whatever dialect I was using? —Khoikhoi 00:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Perfect! —Khoikhoi 09:14, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem. You're definately not the first... —Khoikhoi 02:07, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome!

[edit] Kurdish names for provinces in Northern Kurdistan

Hey man, I was looking for a while earlier, but I couldn't find much. I would like to know the Kurdish names for the provinces where Kurds are the majority (or are traditionally Kurdish) in Northern Kurdistan (and the other parts if possible). We can't include them on the English Wikipedia, but I will include them on the Tajik Wikipedia, see for example here: tg:Вилояти Ширнак. - FrancisTyers · 00:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks :) Do you know the names in Kurdish language, or do you know where I could find them? - FrancisTyers · 00:50, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverting

Hey Özgür,

You know, you could've done that as well. Just go to the history, click on a previous version (i.e. "11:12, 5 September 2006"), then click "edit this page", and save. Hopefully this will help you in the future. —Khoikhoi 23:05, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem. :) —Khoikhoi 23:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd rather not. You might want to have a look at why voting is evil (they discourage consensus). However, if you still want to do it, simply create a new section called "Poll", and add sub-sections (with three "="'s instead of two) that say "support" and "oppose". Let me know if I wasn't clear enough. —Khoikhoi 03:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] When you have the time, could you...

...check out the Kurdish-Armenian relations article? It needs improvement, but is currently being written by mostly Armenian editors. If you got involved, perhaps the neutrality of the article would improve. Thanks! —Khoikhoi 05:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

BTW, you should've tested out your new reverting skills at Ahmet Kaya. Didn't you notice that the anon deleted his Kurdish name? —Khoikhoi 21:49, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

LOL! Yes, once you've selected the previous date, click "edit this page", and save it. BTW, the anon, 85.107.164.33 (talk • contribs) also added a "Criticism" section to the article, and in the death section, changed:

Kaya went into exile in France in June 1999 on account of various charges arising from his political views.

to:

Kaya went into exile in France in June 1999 on account of the growing pressure by the footage which relates him to PKK and the charges related to this footage.

Which one do you think is better? BTW, the Criticism section is full of POV... —Khoikhoi 22:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, reverting it would deleting all the anon's contributions, so I suggest you try your new skills somewhere else. :p —Khoikhoi 23:21, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:Lon

Hi Ozgurgerilla!

Just thought I'd say hi and thanks for signing up to WikiProject London. The scope of the WikiProject is absolutely massive, and there is really are limitless ways in which you can contribute. Furthermore, we are looking to shake up the WikiProject in order to make it more relevant and give it more clarity - feel free to edit the WikiProject page to add new tasks or highlight any current issues. Anything you see from other WikiProjects or pages could be good!

Overall, it's great you have joined and I look forward to many successful collaborations in the future!

Cheers, DJR (T) 14:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biography Newsletter September 2006

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[edit] Talk:Kurds in Turkey

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --Cat out 11:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Özgür. Even when someone attacks you, you shouldn't attack them back. I left a comment at the talk page saying that there shouldn't be any further incivilities. Hopefully that will do the trick. —Khoikhoi 18:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I happened to read the whole issue and stopped by to say that a 'warning message for personal attack' means simply... nothing! everyone can do this! and as far as u have done nothing wrong, u do not have to worry... Cheers Hectorian 00:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Your welcome. (it is 'kalinychta':)...) Hectorian 00:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, what he said: it means nothing. :) —Khoikhoi 01:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Özgür kardesim TC ye karsi olucam diye birde Kürtlerde Genocide yapmistir diyecek kadar suursuzlasma. Eger bu topragin evladiyim Kürdüm, Aleviyim halkima sahip cikiyorum diyorsan aklini basina al. Kürtler Türkler soykirim yapti diyorsun, muhalif olmak ugruna. Halkina yapmadigi bu sucu nasilda kolay yüklüyorsun. Birde Kürdüm diyorsun... Almayaya yolun düsmedi galiba. Gel bir arada Genocide sucunun tüm bir halki nasil utanca bogdugunu gör. Biz yapmadigimiz seyi mi kabul edicez.

Bu ülkede Kenan evren diye bir pezevenk yasadi Kürtlere olmadik iskence yapti diye Alman, Amerikan istihbarat teskilatlarinin destekledigi kardesi kardese kirdiran Örgütü gözün kapali destekleme. Dahasi o darbeyi kimlerin yaptirdigi da malumdur. bizden de cok kisi o tezgahlarda iskence gördü. Türk solu PKKyi birakti. Gercek yüzünü gördü. Amerikan isbirlikcisi örgütten özgürlük savascisi mi olur. 1000 yillik Türk kardesini kirip israil beslemesi Yahudi Barzaniye mi bel bagliycaksiniz. bunlari bir düsün. Sana Abi tavsiyesi.

Kurt Halkini, pratikde, hakkini arayan baska bir orgutmu var? Komplo teorilere kanmiyalim—sonucda onlar kanitlanmamis soylentilerdir. Ozgur Gerilla 08:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Türk irki diye bir sey yok Anadoluya belki 1 milyon Türk geldi o sirada 5 milyon kisi yasiyordu. iste bunlarin hepsine bu gün Türk diyoruz.neurobio 01:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Pardon ama ayni cumlede birbirini tutmayan iki olaydan bas ediyorsun: "Turk irki yok ama Anadoluya 1 milyon Turk geldi". Turkler dedigimizde, Anadoludaki, irklara hitap edilen semsige isimdir diyorsan yine yaniliyorsun. Hata, Turkiye federal bir ulke degil. Eyer Anadoludaki Turkler aslinda irk olarak azinlikda ama Turkifikasyon sayesinde farkli irklari Turklesdirdigi icin su an Turkiye var diyorsan; katiliyorum—Turkifikasyon en cok Kurtleri etkiledi. Ozgur Gerilla 08:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

evet yanlis anlamaya acik yazmistim Elbette etnik olarak bir Türk irki var orta asyada yasamislar anadoluya gelmisler vs. Ama bu gün Türkiyede Türk irki diye saf bir sey yok. bunda hemfikiriz degil mi. Ama ayni sekilde saf kürt diyede bir sey yok! Arabi, Cerkezi, Rumu, Türkü, Ermenisi karma karisik olmus. Hele Türk, kürt, arap, bunlar birbirine bin yil kiz alip vermis. Bunlar amca, kuzen kardes. Saf Türk yok tamam... EE saf kürt var mi? Osmanli imparatorluktu orada milli kimlik gelismemisti ümmet anlayisi Teba anlayisi vardi. TC kurulurken Türklük öne cikti ama Atatürkün teorisinde Irk olarak degil Anadolu halki olarak tarif buldu. Milli birlik icin böyle üst tarif gerekliydi. Daha sonra uygulamada su oldu, bu oldu ayri mesele.

Simdi bilmem kac yüz sene karma karisik olmus kiz alip vermis kardes olmus insanlar Avrupa normlarina göre yeniden tanimlanacak ülke federalizme ardindan bölünmeye gidecek. Avrupalilar ama demokrat ya helal olsun. Yahu sen ingilterede yasiyorsun söyle bir etrafina bak bakalim... Bu isin sonu yugoslavya gibi olur. Yugoslavya yi yillarca kasidilar sonunda millet birbirini kesti. Allahtan Türk kürt vs öyle derin baglarla bagliki yugoslavya olmadik olmayizda ama yazik günah bu ülkenin bunca evladina. Yazik günah okula eve yola gidecek 200 milyar dolar silaha gitti. Cezaire gittiler ardindan ic savas, Afrikaya gittiler ardindan ic savas, kibrista ic savas. iste avrupanin demokrasisi normlari bize ancak bunu verir. Amca, kardesi kenara cekip bak baba sen kürtsün sen Türksün sen bilmemnesin. Neden bu kadar meraklilar. Ermeni meselesini bu yüzden iyi oku. Ayni senaryo...

PKK kimin kucaginda bellidir yahu, ne komplo teorisi. Apo hangi pasaportla yakalandi? (Rum) kim vardi yaninda? (yunan gizli sevis elemani) PKK militanlari nerelerde en cok himaye görüyor? Almanya, Fransa! PKK silahlari arasinda encok ABD italyan silahlari var. yeni amerikan elcisi geldi bakti türkiyede anti amerikancilik önünde durulamaz olmus ertesi gün PKK mayinlari bombalari kesildi. Bak Talebani PKK ateskes yapacak dedi ertesi gün ateskes.

Yahu Fransiz eski baskaninin esi bayan Mitterand bizim Kürtlerimize ne olduda birden bu kadar dost oldu?

el insaf Atalarin kemikleri sizlar. bak sana ahmet ariften 33 kursunda ne diyor.

... tepelerden minarelerden kirve hisim asiret cocuklari Fransiz kursununa karsi koyanda Biyiklari yeni terlemis daha benim kücük dayim nazif...

Sonra Kara yilan

Kara yilan dediki harbe oturak nerde düsman varsa (Fransiz) orda bitirek....

EEEE babacim senin deden bunlarla savasmis sen simdi bunlarin kucagindasin bu nasil istir?

Bak ahmet arif 33 kursun deyince basimizi utancla egiyoruz. Diyorki orada babam gözlerini verdi urfa önünde 3 de kardasini ömrüne doyamamis 3 dal parcasi 3 nazli selvi...

Bu siiri öldürülen 33 kürt icin yazdi. Dediki benim dedem urfada savasti(fransizlarla) biz bu topragin evladiyiz bu zulum niye. O zaman bize haklisin demek ve ardina düsmek gerek dedik. Türk aydinlari, Türk solu bunu yapti. Ama sen AB ile Fransa ile Ermenistan ile Yunanistan ile ayni dili konusursan o zaman biz arkanda degil önündeyiz arkadas. bu kadar basit... Bu topragin insaniysan bu topraga ancak buranin insanindan fayda oldugunu bil. Kavga ederiz, birbirimizede girebiliriz zaman zaman ama baskasini aramiza alirsak sonumuz olmaz. Bu heriflerin demokrasisi Avrupada 50 milyon öldürdü. Dünyada yaptiklari saymakla bitmez. Allah onlarin demokrasisinden bizi korusun. PKK bitigi gün, bunlar elini cektigi gün Türk, Kürt (öyle ayri bir sey yok ama hadi gönlün olsun)yine birbirini kucaklar.

Amerikan usagi darbeciler 1980de diyarbakirda iskence tezgahlarini kurdular. kürtceyi kendilerince yasakladilar tamam dogruda o esnada tüm aydin, antiemperyalist "Türk"lerde o tezgahtaydi be kardesim. Bizim evide bastilar. biz kitaplarimizi yaktik. kac tanidigimiz iskence gördü. Siz kürtlügünüzden ziyade düzen disi olmanizdan okka altina gittiniz. Yine diyorum! bilmem kac Gladio adami Türkiyeyi bir dönem ele gecirdi diye bin senelik kardesler kanli bicaklimi olacak. Olmaz...neurobio 21:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeniden merhaba,

Saf Turk/Kurtluk yok yada var demek icin, bilimsel, istatiksel ve cok daha derin bir analiz gerektigine inaniyorum—bence saf Turkde saf Kurtde var Turkiyede, karisikda var, karmakarisikda var; benim gibi :). Osmanliya girmiyecegim bile ama Ataturk bence buyuk yanlislar yapti helede Kurtlere — beraber savasdilar, beraber kazandilar, ama nedense ondan sonra Kurtler ihanete ugradi! Tamam, bazi teoriler gerekliydi cunki o donem bu donem degil ve mentaliteler farkli ama neticeye bakinca neden ben bir Kurt olarak ana dilimi bilmiyorum diye bir dusunmek lazim ve bu olayi iyi arastirmak lazim — bu bucuruk bir sorun degil.

Herhalde sen beni tamamen Avrupa sistemi destekledigimi zanediyorsun — sistematik sorunlari (ornegin kanunlari) teker teker ele almak gerekir ve elestirmek gerekir cunki oyle senin ikinci paragrafinda yaptigin gibi bir daldan obur dala atlarsak oyle yanlis anlasilmalar yaratirizki, icinde cikamayiz. Evet, birsuru para gitti silahlara ve savaslara ve bu savaslara katilanda, kaybeden Anadoludaki insanlar oldu—tabiki bunlar yanlis olaylar—savas olmasin diye (Iraq yada Kurdistanda) kac yuruyuse katildik ama bence senin son yazdilarinda biraz irkcilik var—ironiyi gorebiliyormusun?—farkli irklarin (kurt, turk, arab,...) birlesmesini ve farkli irklara karsi direnise gecmesinden bas ederken biz burda, Londrada, milyonlarca farkli insan, Tony Blairin (itin ismini sen vur) kapisina biz dayandik. Bunun icin konusmalarima daha etik sekilde devam etsek cok daha dogru olur.

PKK—sen bana soyle, PKK'den once bir Kurt Kurdum diyebiliyormuydu? bence bu soru dogru cevaplandimiydi — PKK nin belkide suan baskalarin psikoloji ve politik hareketlerle kontrol ediliyorsada — ayaklanma sebebi kesinle Kurt haklina yapilan ve sosyal anlamda tahammul edilemiyecek haksizliklardan olusdu. Ben PKK ye bir yere kadar anliyabiliyorum ve orgutu elestirmeye hazirim ve biliyorumki bu konuda sana bilmedigin olaylarda soyliyebilirim. Bu arada bizim Kurtler, hain Kurtler, pis Kurtler, ..., diye Kurtleri kategorilestirmekde cok yanlis.

Ahmed Arif—oncelikle, sence Anadoludan cikan en etkili sairlerden biri degilmi? Ahmed Arif aslinda Kurtlerin isyanlari hakkindada satirlar yazdi ben onlarida incele. Konu edebiyat iken Nobel Literature odulleri alan bunca yazar Kurtlere yapilan baskilar ve haksizliklar hakkinda eylemler yapti—Harrold Pinter, Dario Fo, Umberto Eco, Orhan Pamuk bile yapilanlari acikladi. Sana birsey soyleyim; Turkiye tarihi ile yuzlesemiyor — bunlar olmus olaylar bunlari tartisarak acikliga kavusturacagiz degilmi? peki yine sana soruyorum bunca (ki cogunu aciklamadim) yazar yalanmi atiyor? Ayrica kucakdan falan bas ediyorsun-bence oyle konusmak yanlisdir. Anliyacagin ben PKKyi, Turkiyeyi, Avrupayi ve gerisini hepsini elestiriyorum ve hepsinde yanlislar buluyorum onun icin beni hemen biri ile damgalama. Bence cozum sudur, Turkiye mantigini tamamen degistirmesi lazim—Buyuk Britanya gibi bir federal bir ulke kurmak— bunun ismini degistirmek ve insanlara esit haklar vermek. Tabi bu bir teori. 00:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

hey masallah... http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2006/10/07/son/sonsiy06.asp

hey masallah 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9iK5HGWubU

[edit] "Free Kurdistan!" thing and et all

I'd like to point out that wikipedia is NOT a soapbox. Your userpage is not ment to be one either. --Cat out 02:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore I believe that entier section is a copyvio. --Cat out 02:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Degrees

I would say broadly speaking yes. I get the impression that it is much easier to move from Engineering/Science -> Humanities than the other way round. You'll need to show a very keen interest though. Part of what helped me is that I did my bachelors dissertation in the Computational Linguistics field, so I was able to show that I had an interest (and some skills) that would be relevant to the masters. Let me know if you have any more questions, and feel free to email me. PS. What would you like to study in humanities? (if you don't mind me asking). - Francis Tyers · 07:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello again,

Thank you very much for the information. I am interested in history, literature and language so it has to be one of those. I've did a little research and found MA in Turkish (combination of literature and language) in SOAS — spoke to the teacher and she said when you finish your barchelor come and see me. But I'm not sure if I would like to do Turkish for my master's. I got some time to decide the course but I'm sure I want to move from engineering/science to humanities. So how is your studies going? do you find linguistics interesting? Ozgur Gerilla 10:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I loved linguistics, it was fascinating, and at masters level you have much more freedom as to what to study. I would suggest you choose something with a bit more freedom than just Turkish. I just graduated this september, now I'm working in London while I wait to apply for funding to do a PhD. I would recommend for a masters which is broader, e.g. this. You might try asking them if they could do a Turkish pathway. Do you have an instant messenger program we could discuss further. - Francis Tyers · 11:06, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Please, just email me using the "E-mail this user" feature on my talk page. I will then email you back with my MSN id :) - Francis Tyers · 07:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Opa, please try again. - Francis Tyers · 12:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Civility

Hi, Ozgurgerilla. We, wikipedians are people of different cultures, faiths and political persuasions trying to find a common ground in describing the events. Please try to be polite, friendly and positive. As I understand, the edit summary to [2] is a blasphemy for devoted Muslims. It is quite possible that there are many of them reading the article on Turkish and Kurdish issues. Why do we need to offend them?

The second issues is that you constantly remove the 3RR warning from Mustafa. It is a hotly debated issues whether a user has the right to remove good faith warnings from his talk page. Even if you have such a right it consider to be rude. Usually admins do not block novices for the violations of WP:3RR unless they are sure they were warned first. The warning is still in the history of your talk page but it needs additional efforts to find it. So many people see removing of such notices as a sort of cheating: an attempt to get an unfair advantages over your opponent in an edit war. As a matter of fact I would suggest to try finding some compromise rather then revert war. It is more productive. Alex Bakharev 21:55, 12 December 2006 (UTC)