Talk:Oxford Group
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[edit] One-sided view
For a more accurate and balance assessment of Frank Buchman, the founder of The Oxford Group, see "Frank Buchman: a life" by Garth Lean (Constable, London). The book was published later in the USA as "on the tail of a Comet". It can be viewed online at: http://www.frankbuchman.info/ (which is fully searchable). This puts the negative views expressed in the main article into context. For example, the Hitler quote, should be compared with what others, such as the great British war-time leader Winston Churchill, were saying about Hitler in the period before World War II when his intentions were far from clear. The Buchman biography, referred to above, makes it clear that the quote was taken out of context. There is no truth in the statement that Buchman focussed wholly on the rich and famous. He devoted a great deal of time and attention to unremarkable people.
- I agree the the Hitler praise quote seemed out of context and intended more to defame the Buchman and the Group than to provide genuine encyclopedic information. I removed it and some other non-neutral POV statments and other information that seemed like it was added in a similar spirit. I worry though that finding neutral information on this group is will be difficult. -- Craigtalbert 03:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Scope of this article
Oxford Group discusses the historical Oxford Group. It's importance lies in the fact that a variety of other movements have their origin in the Oxford Group (see also Talk:Moral Re-Armament). This article should eventually provide a reference point for articles about the other movements. Useful content would be a description of Oxford Group's origins, teachings, organisational structure and Buchman's role. --Arne Neem 16:35, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Canadian Elections 1933
While fixing some links I noticed that in 1933 there was party called "Oxford Group Movement" in Canada. It won a seat in Cowichan-Newcastle at the British Columbia general election, 1933. Does anyone know more about its relationship with the Oxford Group? --Arne Neem 17:17, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] This is not an AA article
This articls is slowly turning into an AA article. The subject at hand is the Oxford Group and not Alcoholics Anonymous. There should be no more than a paragraph about it's influence on AA. As it is now about 75% of the article is dedicated to AA. We should be discussing Frank Buchman and not Bill Wilson. Mr Christopher 15:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Of course Oxford Group does not associate with AA. AA is considered to have been a degenerate sub-sect, and not upscale moral majority. You can't get a lot of $ from that kind of association. Buchman wanted to include upscale supporters and propped up those personalities. Oxford Group notoriously helped Great Britian draft dodgers "conscientious objectors?" hide out in the US. Also, Buchman was depicted on the cover of Time with the title "Cultist Buchman". Buchman had cult-like charisma and lived an upscale lifestyle, while preaching frugality. He never married, nor dated and is believed to have been a homosexual.
[edit] Tone
This article refers to the Oxford Groups as a "cult" and the author seems to bear hostility to the movement, its members and founder.
[edit] Citations
The page on the Oxford Group asks for citations. I have done quite a lot of research on the subject, and have a zillion citations. Start here: http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-religiousroots.html http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-rroot090.html
- Thank you. I think this article needs a lot of work. I noticed that most of the information on those pages is fairly disparaging of the Oxford group. To maintain and neutral point of view on can you recommend you recommend additional sites that are in favor of the Oxford group to help keep the article balanced? -- Craigtalbert 02:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
