Talk:Oversteer

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[edit] Major Edit

This article had rather poor grammar and was a bit inaccurate on some points. I figure that a championship trophy qualifies me to help this article out a bit as an 'expert' (of sorts). So I did a lot of reworking on it. Overall, I mostly just improved the writing without changing what it was trying to say since it was more or less accurate. But there were a number of points in the original article which were presented as absolutes when they are actually not. I did expand on a couple of points as well. Hope this helps. 209.128.67.234 05:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

i have made some changes to the article to try and make it more understandable, i will also be having a big grammar cleanup Pratj 16:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

i reverted it because i saw that episode with the smart fortwo, and that was dangerous understeer, and i mean dangerous. i will be happy for you to tone it down a bit though Pratj 18:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I doubt that the Prius really has dangerous snap oversteer, it is heavy, and does not have much engine braking. However, I haven't driven one. The Smart is a different kettle of fish, it has a high cg, I could believe it might do some interesting things. Either way you really shouldn't be quoting Top Gear as a technical reference, the games those muppets play are for entertainment, not analysis. How do you know clarkson didn't dab the brakes on the prius, for example?

Greglocock 01:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

top gear, muppets. i resent that. anyhow, the prius wasn't too bad really, in fact it was quite near a normal car so lets forget that. its the smart, which showed the most dangerous understeer i have ever seen, it literally just wouldn't turn. even with the stig driving it just would not turn, at all Pratj 16:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Why do you resent 'muppets'? You aren't involved with TG are you? Or the Muppets? Anyway, What you say about the Smart is very interesting. It sounds as though it has a lot of high g understeer, probably to prevent roll-over in the elk test. Did it have throttle off oversteer as well? Greglocock 01:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

well, they were testing handling at about 30 - 40 mph going into the hammerhead corner, and essentially, it turned slightly on the way in, but as he tried to go the other way, it just did not turn, dangerous if u needed to take evasive action. as for throttle off oversteer, im not sure. heres a video, im not sure how u make a link so ill jsut paste the url http://paultan.org/archives/2006/01/11/top-gear-tests-cornering-ability/ Pratj 11:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Great link. The Prius had understeer (not oversteer), the Malaysian thing had some sort of snap oversteer , and the Smart had terminal understeer. IF they were all at the same speed going into the corner I'd say the Prius was borderline acceptable, the other two, not. Since this is the oversteer page, I think any refernece to the Smart should be on the understeer page. Greglocock 01:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

yes, i did wonder why that guy put this on the oversteer page when it was understeer. i didn't think about that Pratj 16:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)