Talk:Osman I

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I would question the POV of this article, so unctuous in its praise of Osman, that it borders on nationalistic propaganda.

I would agree. Examples thereof:

he had already both proven his skill as a leader, and his prowess as a combatant

He dressed simply, in the tradition of the first warriors of Islam, and like them he wore a turban of ample white linen, wreathed round a red centre. His loose flowing kaftan was of one colour, and had long open sleeves.

a bloodly [sic] lesson to all who should harbour thoughts of contradiction to the fixed will of so stern a lord

I think, however, that this is most likely a result of the page being essentially a copyright violation: it puts a reference at the bottom of the page, but doesn't show exactly where that reference is being cited (probably because the majority of the page is clearly copied from that book); hence, it violates copyright. —Saposcat 09:20, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

The first two examples are not necessarily POV, the third one is not clear as a sentence therefore, also not clear whether a POV or not. --TimBits 18:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Granted, they're not necessarily POV; given the context of all of the statements, however, I would definitely argue that they are actually POV.

Anyhow, insofar as they're almost certainly taken from another book (specifically, von Hammer's) without proper referencing, the copyright problem is probably the bigger one at this point. —Saposcat 19:24, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Yes, Osman Ghazi prefered a simple life but not because of Islam. He lived according to old Turkish nomadic traditions. Actually, his name wasn't Osman. It was Atakan or Utman(common Turkish names of Osman I.'s time). After two or three centuries, Ottoman historians changed his name to Osman because it is an important religious name(look at Caliphate, Hz. Osman - Uthman ibn Affan). Deliogul 11:22, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

• Also, we have to accept that we don't have clear data left from the time of Osman Ghazi. Today, we know him as a legendary leader both because of his achievements and the legends surrounded all around his personality. Osman Ghazi represents simplicity, bravery and leadership. With respect, Deliogul 10:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)