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[edit] Lonely being a hero?
Acknowledging that alcoholism can be, often is, a progressive disease. Acknowledging that the baseline for entrepreneurship is not real good, that most new businesses fail, even when it's a business you're very familiar with and even when it's adequately capitalized.
So the question is, Why did Oskar have such a rough go of it after the war? Fully acknowledging the above two aspects, and more, I still think a big part of it is that it can be very lonely being a hero. People so much need to see their image of you that they often do not see the real you, and they often do not seem to have the emotional energy for getting to know the real you. You can't just depend on previous friends. Part of a normal course of life is also making new friends. And being a hero can make that difficult.
[edit] Works Cited=
There are no citing notes referenced anywhere in the entire article. Where'd all this info come from? I'm putting a cleanup template at the top. 201.68.117.231 23:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cemetary
"...[Schindler] was buried in the Protestant Cemetery, Mount of Olives in Jerusalem."
- I was just watching the bonus material from the movie Schindler's List, and according to it, Schindler's buried on Mount Zion, a Catholic cemetery. Since I'm no expert in WWII history, I simply point out the discrepency here. Hopefully some other more knowledgable Wikipedian can sort it out.
Sounds more probable. I dont know Schindlers religion, but since alot of germans of the Southern regions of Germany were&are catholics, it would make sense to pressume he was a catholic.
[edit] Idiocy
Removed "He has been arested many times once he was arrested for thanking and then kissing a small jewish girl on the day of his 36th birthday."
No source can confirm this, besides, of course, Schindler's List. This is why we don't write articles based off movies.
Added real arrest information.
It's stated in the currect version of the article that he was arrested for kissing a Jewish girl. Is this or isn't this correct? -68.114.154.249 22:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
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I have read in a few places (although I don't know nearly enough to write about it) that Schindler armed the Jews in his protection. Some information on this omission would be worthwhile in the article, if anyone knows more or can research it. Lord Bodak 22:32, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] spy?
Quote; Today it's known that Schindler was an Abwehr agent
Can anyone shed more light on this? -- Andrew Chung 18:24, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
- A large part of the Abwehr was covertly opposing the Nazis, including its Chief, Wilhelm Canaris, and several key-officers. One source that states Schindler as an Abwehr agent is David Crowe's Schindler bibliography.
Thank you for the link sorry who put their comment here earlier but u didnt time stamp or leave your name (Yes i know i didn't leave my name earlier but i did not know how to use wikipedia before) -- Andrew Chung 18:28, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Misleading sentence
"When advances of the Red Army threatened to liberate the camps, they were destroyed, and a majority of the inmates were executed." I now realize that this sentence meant the general concentration camps and NOT schindler's camp but it was kind of confusing. If I am correct, it would be helpful if someone reworded that sentence. Flyerhell 08:39, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Stupid entry
I removed the comment "He also had a 5 inch penis" from the summary. I don't really see the relevance of this, even if it is true.
[edit] Birthdate
The introduction says he was born on the 18th of April. However, section 1 says he was born on the 28th of April. Which is correct? secton 21
[edit] His Grave
Ive seen the movie, and I know that the stones have been put by the Jews he's saved. Are the stones glued sumhow so that no one takes them? paat 19:59, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
I have been to the cemetary in Jerusalem where Oskar Schindler is buried (in March of 1999). I do not know if it was a Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish cemetary, but I can tell you that the rocks are there, and they are not glued on. Having seen the movie, the sight of the stones is, for some reason, very moving. --Shawnsgia 07:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NSDAP
In Early Life it is said that he joined the NSDAP as a teenager. However, the German and the Esperanto version says that he joined it in 1939, the Spanish says in 1930 and versions in other languages don't say anything about that. Unfortunately I can't find anything which would be more detailed. There are more diffrences between some versions, yet not such important ones as this one. Maybe someone can help? 80.109.198.157 11:14, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Schindler purposely produced faulty ammunition in an attempt to put the German military at a disadvantage during the war.
Were the Germans so naive, like in propaganda movies, to buy faulty products or rather executed too smart producers? Xx236 12:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Schindler was arrested twice on suspicion of conspiracy, but managed both times to avoid being jailed.
The same "twice" mentioned earlier? Xx236 12:50, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Irrelevant and ungrammatical sentence
"He was born into a wealthy business family, for all of Schindler’s child hood he was spoiled, his parents bought him
anything he wanted and made sure that he lived a full life." I'm deleting this sentence. It should be footnoted or something; plus it is just poorly written, so it's gone.
[edit] Clarification needed
"Schindler...tried—again with help from the Jewish organization—to establish a cement factory." What organization? Clarityfiend 21:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] An endearing conclusion sentence would be nice
Such as; "He gambled a way through history's currents that are shaped, once dug beneath the surface, by men of quite ordinary convictions and preoccupations and mannerisms and fears, and he occasionally won." Cretanforever
- Poetic, but out of place in an encyclopedia. Clarityfiend 20:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Unsubstantiated wording
"Schindler brutally gained the ownership of a factory..." What does that mean? Provide a source and an explanation please. Clarityfiend 20:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC) .. hmm
[edit] The third Christian named Righteous Among the Nations
This is probably true since someone put it here. However to me it gave me the idea that only three Christians were given this honor. If you check out the article you will see that several thousands of people, mostly who lived in Nazi occupied Europe, were so honored. I'm sure that many of them were Christians. I also don't think the Israeli government considered a person's religion in awarding the honor. Steve Dufour 00:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Homosexual? Illegitimate children?
- Note: I'm putting this back in after an anonymous user at 60.240.56.128 removed it a couple of weeks ago without explanation. (I'd like to know why this was removed, and how it went undetected.) -71.80.31.11 11:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I came across the following statement on the IMDb board for Schindler's List:
"But last year, I learned from a biography about Oskar Schindler by David M. Crowe (it was vehemently appraised even in Germany, thus it is most probably true), that Oskar Schindler had a homosexual relationship with Amon Goeth."
Apparently the biography in question is called "Oskar Schindler: The Untold Account Of His Life, Wartime Activities, And the True Story Behind 'the List'". I've heard no mention of this elsewhere, but it's definitely something that should be added to the article if it can be confirmed. -68.114.154.249 22:48, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I found the following article (originally from the NY Times) speaking of the biography:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Schindler/OOF1104.html
There is also a claim that he fathered two illegitimate children.
Furthermore, the claim in this Wikipedia article that "In 1963, Oskar Schindler was named a Righteous Gentile (non-Jew)" may be incorrect.
I'm going to check the local libraries for this book, as it should provide quite a bit of information not mentioned in this article. -68.114.154.249 14:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Re: http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Schindler/OOF1104.html
David Irving is hardly a useful source; the original NY Times article would be.
- I'm not saying that link should be used in the article, I just couldn't find any other archive of the NY Times article to use in the talk page. The actual biography by David Crowe should be used to reference these facts, if it can be obtained. -68.114.154.249 16:37, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] his grave and what his factories made
The engraved words on his grave, what do they mean? and in the entry he only had the enamelware factory, did he have an ammunitions factory too?
- I don't know about the Hebrew (or perhaps Yiddish?), but the German says: "the unforgettable lifesaver of 1200 persecuted Jews". Junes 20:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello : Someone vandalized the section "Early Life." Just pointing this out.
