Talk:Order of the Phoenix (Harry Potter)

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I find the current labeling of Order Members confusing. I think it should be made clearer when the people died. For example, during the first war, or during the second. Anyone think the system should be revised? --Drak2

Right now there's little need; it all depends on what happens in the sixth book. And now that I'm talking I'd like to go on record saying that putting "excessively deceased" into the list was so worth it. :) --Kizor 16:58, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] I can't believe it...

Anyone else bothered that the original Order of the Phoenix gets disambiguated, and this kiddie book gets top billing? Maybe we should move Medal of Honor (computer game) to Medal of Honor and move that spot's current occupant to Medal of Honor (American medal)? --Jpbrenna 6 July 2005 00:06 (UTC)

Nope, not bothered at all. I suspect far more people will come to this page looking, if anything, for Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (which, incidentally, is the book itself — this is only an organisation within the book), instead for some Greek medal, no offense to the Greeks. Also, I haven't ever heard of Medal of Honor (computer game), but I doubt it would have as many people looking for it as for this article here. Hermione1980 6 July 2005 00:11 (UTC)
There is a Greek Wikipedia at [1]. I hope that they have the medal listed ahead of the Harry Potter book. --MrBawn 02:11, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Jpbrenna on this; even though Harry Potter book is more popular than the medal, the book's name isn't "The Order of The Phoenix", and the medal's name is. --MaxW

[edit] Dumbledore's Army

It should be noted that Dumbledore's Army has assisted the Order in the Second War. --MrBawn 02:11, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Analysis of the name

I wonder if the article has space for an analysis of the name of the Order. There is only one line: that it might be related to Fawkes in some way. There are perhaps other more probable possibilities, like the original Order knowing that Voldemort will come back some day, like a phoenix, or that the Order will reform when that happens, again like a phoenix. Or something? Saksham 00:00, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Albus Dumbledore: original OotP survivor?

I restored Dumbledore as a survivor of the original Order of the Phoenix because I feel he survived the original war that the Order had to fight, but I see that an anon as removed him and a few others. Should this list include those who survived when they were members of the original Order, but killed when they were in the new Order, or removed entirely from both lists? I feel they should still be in the first list because while they were killed later, they certainly were among the survivors in the original Order. --Deathphoenix 16:15, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] a little cleanup

The third paragraph under Creation and Purpose - "Due to the ministry also forcing...Voldemort had indeed risen again." - needs to be cleaned up as there is clearly something missing. I don't know enough about the subject to do it myself.--65.113.254.215 02:55, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

It seems like a very jumbled and fragmented sentence. I'll do what I can to clean it up. Agent0042 20:31, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mrs Figg and Olympe Maxime

Why are they listed as "Known members of the reconstituted Order of the Phoenix"? I have never seen any mention of them being OotP members. Can anyone provide book and pages numbers? If not, I'm going to remove. -Greg Asche (talk) 06:16, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Not sure about Arabella Figg, she certainly works with the OotP but whether she can be labelled a member or not i'm not sure, maybe needs discussing? Olympe Maxime however should not be there and I think is safe to delete. Death Eater Dan 06:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Loyalists and sympathizers

I just rewrote this section. "Loyalist" and "sympathizer" aren't official terms in the Potterverse, so artificially delineating them as precisely as done here makes little sense. Additionally, the language "do the Order's bidding" seems a little crude—these are people that are helping the Order because they agree with it, not because they're commanded to. I removed the reference to the Diggorys—nothing makes them special in this regard: Why isn't Susan Bones a sympathizer? Or Amelia Bones a member? —Ryan McDaniel 18:11, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Link at the bottom

I removed the link at the bottom, because I consider it simple self-linking. JohanTenge 18:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC) - If anyone has anything to say about this, please do so also on my talk page.

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