Talk:Orange County, California

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[edit] Politics

"In U.S. Politics, Orange County has long been typified as a bastion of conservative Republicanism. In fact, though, large numbers of Hispanics have made the county home."

What does the second sentence have to do with the first? Whatever it is, it should be made clearer than it is. - user:Montrealais

Historically, the hispanic population in this part of the country has been overwhelmingly pro-Democrat. This is changing somewhat however in recent years, the Republican party is gaining some ground. --Brion
Hispanics aren't the only ethnic group arrived in large numbers, but are one-third (or more) of the population. In the 1970's and 1980's, hundreds and thousands of Asians (Vietnamese, Korean, Chinese, Filipino and Thai) moved into Garden Grove, Westminster and western parts of Santa Ana. It was true Orange county was once a place held as hostile to African Americans, but this attitude has changed and you may find black sections of Santa Ana, Buena Park, Cypress, Costa Mesa and La Habra that wasn't 20-25 years ago. The racial diversity might shifted the county towards the Democrat side, but some are actually upper-middle class and hold conservative views on social and political issues. Many Vietnam war refugees, Central Americans and the Iranian community choose to vote Republican since the party was hard on communism and terrorism. However, older generations of Mexican Americans, Asian Americans and the liberal elite voting bloc on the coastal cities vote for Democrats. It looks like Orange county is 50/50 and represents the "culture war" in state and national politics is fought harder: Richard Nixon was born/raised here, but is near Los Angeles. +207.200.116.138 04:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology

"The county was given the name of Orange for its [[[[[[ == huge erotic background ==]]]]]] extensive orange groves." -- This seems unlikely considering that the City of Orange already existed when the county was created. It seems more likely that the county was named after the city, as a compromise for the fact that Orange did not become county seat. See [1]. --Chl 22:10, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

"By 1880, there were Orange counties in six other states, as well as numerous towns and post offices so named. The California County, carved from Los Angeles County on March 11, 1889, to be sure, was named because the orange industry flourished there. 'This county was given its name by the Legislature because of the orange groves for which it is justly famous' (California Blue Book 1907, p. 278)." http://www.oc.ca.gov/ochistory/ochistoryname.asp . Futhermore the main County government history page states explicitly "And with orange groves beginning to proliferate throughout the area (150,000 orange trees), the new county was named for the fruit: 'Orange County.'" The Kenny Kao history is vaguer—it mentions only that Glassell and Chapman named the City of Orange after Orange County, Virginia—but it does not contradict these accounts. Based on this, I have restored text supporting the previously cited etymology.choster 02:03, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
This dispute has come up again. I found a reference for the naming of the City of Orange after the VA county, but nothing about the county itself.[2] Given these references I'm going to once more restore the text. -Willmcw 00:07, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Politics

The line "In the 2004 election, Orange County became the county with the largest percentage of Republican voters (Cook County, Illinois was the county with the largest percentage of Democratic voters)" is not supported by any references that I can track down. The county did not have the largest percentage of votes for Bush, nor does it have an overwhelming percentage of registered Republicans. Unless someone has a reference, I'm inclined to delete it. Willmcw 00:37, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I deleted that, and subsequently someone added this:

In the 2004 presidential elections, Orange County delivered Republican George W. Bush the largest margin of victory of any county in the nation. [3] [4]

I believe that formulation is more correct. It was not the percentage that was highest, it was the number of votes for Bush over his opponent. I see that now another editor has removed this latest version, perhaps because it's wording is still ambiguous. -Willmcw 21:29, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

I deleted it (the reformulated wording) because I read it as a percentage. I'm not sure what the significance is of a raw vote count -- the point of the paragraph is to show that O.C. is a Republican stronghold, but that's better represented by a percentage. --MrWhipple 22:26, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)


The article reads: "In 2004 U.S. President George W. Bush captured 60% of the county's vote, up from 56% in 2000 (despite a higher Democratic popular vote in the county)" What does that last parenthetical statement mean? Did the writer mean 'country'? And if so, why is that appropriate for this article? 68.63.58.122 04:39, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Graphics

The swapped graphics look good. -Willmcw 02:36, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Cities and Towns

There has been some back-and-forth lately over the list of cities in O.C. There are three types of communities being added to the list:

  • Incorporated cities (e.g., Anaheim)
  • Unincorporated communities under county supervision (e.g., Ladera Ranch)
  • Area or place names within incorporated cities (e.g., Corona del Mar)

It seems to me there should be some sort of policy regarding which ones make it on the list, and which ones don't. Personally I think we should add the first two, but not the last. Thoughts? --MrWhipple 17:55, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)


I think MrWhipple is right. Area or Place Names can include names of neighborhoods, regions, etc -- which could be too broad to be effective (like naming ALL individuals living in the county or listing ALL the streets in the county would be technically correct for the area encompassed by the county border, but so unselective as to render the article unusable). I suggest leaving those names out of the County Page, and including them in an article about the city they are within, or having a separate article about them which mentions that they are located within the county.
--Silvery
I agree too. Cheers, -Willmcw 01:30, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Music" section is a bit cluttered

The "Music" section seems to be little more than a magnet for everyone to add their favorite band. Perhaps the bulk of that section should be split off into List of musical artists from Orange County, California and the remainder should be rewritten to be a prose synopsis of the O.C. music scene(s) and history. Mike Dillon 17:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Sports

As much as I think the change is stupid, I'm changing the name of the Anaheim Angels to the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. Being that it is now their proper name, this should be reflected.:--ShawnLee

That's fine. Just make sure you don't change the mention of the "Anaheim Angels" in connection with the 2002 World Series, as that was the team's name when they won the Series. Mike Dillon 14:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Map

 It is requested that a map or maps be included in this article to improve its quality.
Wikipedians in California may be able to help!



It would help a lot to have a map of the interior geography. -- Beland 15:14, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

What is this new map about? I can't figure out what the borders/colors represent. These are definitely nothing remotely close to the city boundaries. Can someone explain? --SameerKhan 04:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I removed the map. Looks like some sort of rainfall map but without a description and legend is pretty useless. --MarsRover 06:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Someone has reinserted the map due to its "relevance", but I'm not sure how it is relevant at all. The colors and demarcations definitely do not correspond to actual city boundaries, zip code boundaries, locally-recognized regions, or anything else that would be relevant for readers. If MarsRover is right and it is a rainfall map, it is definitely not appropriate for the first detailed map of Orange County given in this article. Does anyone know of a better map we can replace this with? --SameerKhan 06:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Yay, thanks for the new map, MarsRover! --SameerKhan 06:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photo Request

The aerial shot of Newport suburbia was removed for copyright reasons. It was a great visual representation of the typical residential development in the OC, and I'd like to see a similar image replace it. Added to photo request category. - PatrickFisher 18:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Master Planned Communities

Someone should consider bringing a more balanced view concerning master planned communities. Perhaps cite the repetitiveness of the housing tracts and strip malls and the perceived sterile "plesantville" image...along with a lack of a nightlife, especially in the more southern cities of the county. AManSac 10:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Highways

Some of the highways currently listed never enter Orange County. (I-15, I-215, SR 60, SR 79) At the same time, some that do enter OC are ignored (A small section of I-605), and a few aren't freeways even though the text above would suggest they are (SR 74. I'm not sure about SR 1, there might be a freeway segment in South County if I remember right) 69.255.208.30 00:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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