Talk:Operation Ring

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[edit] GA nomination on Hold for 7 days

Hello,

This article looks quite good. A lot of excellent work has been put into it, and I really have almost nothing to complain about.

I put a few {{fact}} tags on the article. If I happened to put a tag on a fact that is actually referenced in a nearby sentence, please remove the tag and explain the deletion in a detailed edit summary.

In all, though, this article will be GA with just a bit of work. I certainly don't think it should take the whole 7 days. In fact, it shouldn't be much work at all.

Good work!

Please feel free to ask if you have questions --Ling.Nut 10:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

PS In the closing section, I thought that the exact dates of the Armenian and Azerbaijani secessions would be helpful. --Ling.Nut 10:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article nomination PASS

Good work!

I'm gonna PASS this article as GA.

On my second look, I noticed things that I did not pick up on the first time around. I'll leave these for you as you strive toward FA. However, I believe they are fairly important.

The first thing is that a section on world reaction seems necessary.
The second thing.. and you'd better address this quickly, lest your GA be reviewed for possible delisting.. is that the article seems more POV on the second reading than it did on the first. A bit more on the Soviet side of the story (whether you agree with it or not) seems reasonable, plus some adjective like "grueling" and "pillaging" seem a bit POV-ish. I see you have references to back up those adjectives; that definitely helps.

I suggest that you do not put this article on the back burner just yet; some more work would be wise at this time.

Kudos, --Ling.Nut 02:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

PS I think the best thing to do would be to scan the article, find the most evocative adjectives/terms, and delete them immediately, replacing them with less descriptive terms until you can plan a careful way to present the information.

--Ling.Nut 02:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure how many people actually saw this operation as a good thing. Most, if not all, people described Operation Ring as a complete failure that terrorized the population of Shahumyan without even seeking after the objectives of rooting out the militamen. What was the purpose, for example, of deporting women and children or civilians out of their towns? of burning down villages? of utilizing Azeri soldiers in such a politically intense climate. I agree that both views must be fully be present in the article but there's only so many synonyms for "pillaging" and subjecting citizens to harsh interrogations. --MarshallBagramyan 03:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you. It is extremely possible that I am more concerned than I need to be. :-) In fact, there's a reason why I didn't think of this the first time: because some events are less disputed/controversial than others.

What made me think to tell you this was that I had recently been cautioning another article along the same lines — and for very good reason. It was a much more controversial topic. It was nearly guaranteed to get disputed, unless it was very careful about how it presented its facts.

It is not at all impossible that someone could insist that standards applied elsewhere be applied here as well. But maybe it is unlikely.

Having said that, I would still make it a project to add a "world response" section. That's not about POV; it's about completeness.

I would also still try to find & add some quotes of the official Soviet editorial line etc. Just to be safe.

Hope this helps.

Cheers --Ling.Nut 03:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

PS -- as for words like "pillaging" and "looting": find extremely reputable sources, and quote them directly, within quotation marks, giving page numbers etc. Then you're way more covered.--Ling.Nut 03:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll scourge around for their response and just added one opinion of the Russian parliamentarians. Media coverage regarding Armenia at the time was relatively sympathetic and since the USSR was in such chaos at the time, I'm unsure of how much the world concentrated on this specific event. But again, I'll search around. Thanks for the input--MarshallBagramyan 03:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Gotcha, --MarshallBagramyan 03:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)