Talk:OpenVMS

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[edit] Older comments

I will be doing some work on this page in the (near) future... in particular things like RMS need to be split out into their own pages (RMS isn't VMS-specific), and there's quite a bit more that could be said (see glossary list for some examples...). Lady Lysine Ikinsile 03:16, Jun 8, 2004 (UTC)

When you do this edit, please note that Cutler was not a solo designer of VMS, it was a team effort, of which he was a member. I do not have the whole list available, unfortunately. solak 18:21, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Peter Conklin?

IIRC, Peter Conklin was also a member of VAX-A, although I can't remember whether his contribution was on the software, hardware, or overall system-architecture side(s). Perhaps someone who really knows can chime in?

Atlant 03:16, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Missing information

I don't know anything about computers, but i love browsing wikipedia to learn more. I've heard of VMS, but after reading this article I still don't know what it is or what it's good for or why it existed or if it still exists or who uses it and why - these are important things in an encyclopedia article, and i hope somebody adds them. ZacharyS 17:30, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Added. -Hoff, 27-Nov-2006

[edit] Delisted GA

There are no references. slambo 10:30, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Eh?

There are plenty of cross-references to other sources of information about VMS. Are you just saying that there's no "section" labeled Sources?

Solak 17:44, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I expect this was the "good article" de-listing. As for what "there are no references" means, Slambo might want to elaborate on that detail. -Hoff 27-Nov-2006.

First, apologies for taking so long to reply; I don't have this page on my watchlist. An anon left a note on my talk today requesting clarification.
Links to other Wikipedia articles are not considered references. An External links or See also section does not indicate to the reader that the resources mentioned there were used as references in creating the article; the items listed therein are assumed to be places where a user might find more information that isn't necessarily contained in the article. All source material that is used to create an article needs to be listed in a separate References section with appropriate inline citations to correlate the references to specific, verifiable statements in the article text. The relevant guidelines here are Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Citing sources; the templates in Category:Citation templates can also be used to present a uniform appearance to the references that are cited. In general one citation per paragraph has been mentioned when discussing citation requirements for Wikipedia:Good articles (the archives of Wikipedia talk:Good articles and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Good articles include several discussions about references). Wherever possible, it's best to use resource material that is published in paper form (books and journal articles) versus strictly online form; since the OpenVMS name has been in use since (according to the article) at least 1991, there should be plenty of dead-tree edition titles to make a well resourced reference list.
Please keep in mind that the Good articles criteria now includes (as of Summer 2006) a requirement for inline citations to verifiable references. If you're working toward Featured quality, this requirement is even more necessary.
For examples of what I'm thinking of for articles about software, both the GNOME and KDE articles contain what I would consider a good amount of references, and the TeX article is even better with several printed resources by different authors in its references list. Slambo (Speak) 21:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I find it amusing — even verging on the ironic — that a Wikipedian would be seeking “dead-tree” references, particularly for an article on computing technologies. That aside, there are now added numbers of references to these “dead-tree” resources — both in-line and in a new bibliography at the end of the article — though these “dead-tree” references far more difficult to locate than the on-line references. (There are far more books on trains and on train-spotting in your average bookstore than there are on OpenVMS, for instance.) There are now yet more on-line references added, as well. Both in-line references, and at the end of the article. -Hoff 3-Dec-2006

[edit] Standards

It should be worthwhile to link basic VMS technologies like FMS, RMS etc to their ANSI/ISO standards. For example, FMS is based on an older text console handling / layout standard. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.128.27.67 (talk • contribs) 22:27, 5 May 2006 (UTC2)

RMS isn't an ANSI/ISO standard, and has no relationship to same. Several hunks underneath RMS, such as the magtape and CD-ROM processing, do have associated standards. FMS is a layered product, and not part of OpenVMS itself. I've added a list of various of the applicable ISO/ANSI/FIPS/FED standards claimed by the HP OpenVMS folks, and it may or may not be complete or current. -Hoff 27-Nov-2006.

[edit] Unicode

What kind of support does OpenVMS have for Unicode? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.116.98.179 (talk • contribs) 18:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC2)

Relatively minimal. See the current C Run-time library reference manual at http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc/ for details on the wide character and related character conversion support. The file system on current releases (when ODS-5 is selected) can have Unicode characters within the filenames, though this is only used by a very few select products. Within the file contents, you can store whatever data you want, whether Unicode or otherwise. Most tools that process files do not have Unicode support. (I did not add this discussion into the edit I just did.) -Hoff 27-Nov-2006

[edit] OpenVMS support being wound way down

[1] If VMS is all but unsupported starting next week, this may deserve mention in the article - David Gerard 13:48, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

The Inquirer article does not say that support is being wound down. It does suggest some support is moving to call centres in India which isn't the same thing. My insurance company handles my calls in India but that doesn't mean it's winding down. In any case The Inquirer has reported this news before so we just have to wait and see.Citizensmith 14:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

HP has documented software support plans through (at least) 2011, per its published roadmaps. See the current OpenVMS roadmap available at [2] for current details. -Hoff 27-Nov-2006

[edit] Security Evaluations

"High level of security with versions evaluated at DoD NCSC Class C2 and, with the SEVMS security enhanced services support, at NCSC Class B1, per the NCSC Rainbow Series"

I think some links or references to that statement need to be added, its not that i doubt it.

Allix Davis    Thu Sep 21 13:27:00 BST 2006
Howzabout:
Atlant 12:58, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

NCSC and Common Criteria citations added. -Hoff 27-Nov-2006

[edit] Logo

Whilst there have been shark logos associated with OpenVMS in the past, the one shown currently on the article is a copyvio from a Japanese (?) artist. The image is likely lifted from a Hobbyist site, I'm not sure who originally adapted the image to associate it with VMS, but it does have its afficianados. --Brianmc 22:37, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

There are other logos posted over at [3]. I do not know what copyrights are in effect for those materials, or for the [4] "official" logo over at the HP OpenVMS web site. AFAIK, the swoosh is the only current HP official logo. The shark logos aren't current or official, per various HP folks. I'll leave it for somebody else to hack out the current shark logo. -Hoff 27-Nov-2006

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