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[edit] Mathbot + flag

Hi Oleg, I imagine you must have considered this before, but I think it would be helpful if User:Mathbot had a botflag, as I often see it in recent changes, and it looks pretty harmless. I imagine it would get speedy flagged as it has been running for such a long time. Martin 09:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. I did that, see Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Mathbot. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 15:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Now, who says BAG is slow?! :) --kingboyk 16:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Mathbot was overwhelingly speedily approved at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Mathbot, we're just waiting for a 'crat o flag it. — xaosflux Talk 17:16, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Matbot has been humbled by the "speedy" community trust. Thanks! Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SpeaK?

Ciao Oleg, I'm Olando, I0m italian, you speak the italian. You can give to me one hand to me with wiki.en. Thank you. You answer to me --Olando 09:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello Olando. I don't speak Italian unfortuantely. But let me know if I can help with anything. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 15:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mathbot

Hi Oleg,

Your Mathbot updates this page: Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Germany articles by quality statistics. I made a few edits to it to fix some of the links, I hope that won't mess up the bot's work. Thanks, --CarabinieriTTaallkk 21:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Today the bot will overwrite your changes. But from tomorrow it will do it right, I modified my script to effect. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mathbot again

Hi Oleg, Mathbot seems to be messing up WP:AFD/Old. It's returning all dates as "0 open / 0 closed / 0 total discussions" for some reason. --Sam Blanning(talk) 17:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

For some reason the html source codes of sections changed, from
<div class="editsection">
to
<span class="editsection">
That was confusing the bot. Fixed now. Thanks for your report. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:13, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wow

Um, Mathbot, is amazing. The coding must have been Hell.

Thank you for your invaluable contribution to the Wikipedia. It makes my efforts at WikiProject Dallas feel so worthwhile when there's a pretty little table listing everything.. and.. ahh. its all just so seamless.

way. to. go. drumguy8800 C T 04:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Also.. you might know the answer, why aren't articles showing up in Category:Dallas articles with comments? An example of a page that should is Talk:Oak Lawn, Dallas per Talk:Oak Lawn, Dallas/Comments and coding from {{WikiProject Dallas}}. Any help/advice would be great!! drumguy8800 C T 07:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! :) About things not showing up in Category:Dallas articles with comments, I really don't know, it all looks right. Try asking at Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index, some people over there really know these things. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 14:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] erasing external links

Please don't insert external links all over the place. I did not find them so helpful and you >seem to be way too insistent. If other people find them useful they will add them themselves, >without you doing that again and again. Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:04, 27 October 2006 >(UTC)


First of all, I am not adding links "all over the place". I am adding links where they seem to be appropiate. Secondly, I am quite sure you have not even read trough the contents of such links. You have not explained why you don't find them so helpful, so please, elaborate your remarks otherwise I will not understand your reasons for erasing some selected links. --unsigned
Yeah, I have read the thing the external links point to. Not helpful. And no, your insistence is not appreciated, in the face of at least three other people removing your links. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 15:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

>I agree with Oleg that they're not useful. The main problem is that the webpage seems to be >about a mathematical theory which is not published in a reliable source like peer-reviewed >journals.

There are hundred of links at the wikipedia which ARE neither published, nor sponsored, nor endorsed, by any peer-reviewed journals (and specifically within the same issues I posted my link) but you don't care about that but just about mine, and all we know the true reason: The true history of root solving shown in those web pages. The true about Newton's, Bernoulli's, Halley's and Householder's method. Of course, there could be many other reasons: I am SouthAmerican telling all the true about those superb Cartesian methods.

The real problem here is that the link I provided is a clear denuntiation of the way irrational numbers have been handled by mathematicians.

>Furthermore, there is no analysis of the new root-finding methods.

You have arbitrarily deleted SEVERAL other reliable sources which I included along with my link as for example: http://mathpages.com/home/kmath055.htm http://www.mathpath.org/Algor/cuberoot/cube.root.mediant.htm Dr. Sterven Finch, Generalized Continued Fractions and the Generalized Mediant

All those reliable sources along with many others are included in the link I provided.

All of them containing analysis on my the methods shown in my webpages.

Furthermore, in general terms, it is a real shame to read articles on root-solving from people who use to consider themselves as experts on roots solving but seem unaware about the crude fact that all those supposedly "advanced" cartesian-methods can be easily developed by means of the most simple arithmetic as shown in the link I provided. Furthermore, I am a civil engineer, structural engineer, and I think that if some mathematician consider himself as an expert on root-solving then he has the moral obligation to make whatever analysis should be made on those trivial methods. That's a moral obligation specially when considering that for mathematicians of past times it was almost imposible to compute a simple cube root. I don't have any reasons to post a complete analysis on those methods in my webpage, that's why I published my book which is mentioned there. The link I provided is just a brief summary.

Worst, almost all the links all over the wikipedia do not contain, at all, full demonstrations on the issued they deal about.

>The text is impossible to understand.

That's not true. You don't want to understand just because you don't want such denuntiation on the true history of root-solving. I bet you even have not read any single part of the link you want to let deleted. The proof of all that are the aforementioned reliable links where reknown authors have analyzed some of the methods even when they don't have to agree with my critics to Cartesian-System.


>You added the link to Newton's method, yet the web page is not at >all about >Newton's >method. That's why I am removing the link. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 12:03, >27 October >2006 (UTC)

The link I provided show that Newton's, Bernoulli's, Halley's and Householder's methods can be easily stated by means of the most simple arithmetic and that ancient mathematicians has at han the elementary arithmetical operation needed for developing such "advanced" methods. I understand these is the main reason some of you don't want my link to appear here, however, as said may there be other reasons. Besides, there are some explanations on why Newton's method is just a crude and primitive geometrical artifice which is not a Natural Method at all and should not be considered as being part of any Natural Philosophy.

Finally, I understand that you have not read through any single part of my methods, you are not interested in doing so. You just want to get it deleted. I understand that, and I know it seems not sense to reply your message because the all of you have laid your wiki-cards on the table. The wikipedia is yours and not from others but only yours.

I only would ask you to allow me to save your comments and to pass them to some of my coleagues, and even use them as part of the next english edition of my book. I would deeply appreciate that, I think it is not so much to ask from the wikipedia editors specially when considering that you are experts on root-solving and endorse your own statements with so much courage.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arithmonic (talk • contribs) .

This appears to be a duplicate of the message which User talk:Arithmonic left on User talk:Jitse Niesen's page. See my response there. JRSpriggs 07:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: Edit Summary

Will do, thank you Zero sharp 05:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Style tips

Thank you for your advice. I promise I will cause no more trouble to you. ;-) Hwasungmars 12:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I did not say you were causing trouble. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 15:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geometrical programming

I came across the new article Geometrical programming. I don't know what's about, but given the title, it might be connected to shape optimization. Perhaps you could have a look? -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 05:05, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Jitse. Thanks for the note. That text seems to have been copied from http://www.stanford.edu/~boyd/gp_tutorial.html. There is more detail at http://www.glue.umd.edu/~azarm/optimum_notes/geometric/geo_intro.htm. It does not appear to be shape optimization, rather some kind of n-dimensional optimization in which the terms have some kind of geoemtric meaning, like area, volume, etc.
The above Geometrical programming article is incomprehensible. I know nothing about the topic and I would not attempt to fix it (I could learn that stuff of course, but these weeks I am really swamped in real life, and that would be a lot of work).
I will now slap a {{context}} tag on it, perhaps a kind soul would be willing to work on it. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Ah, it's geometric as in "geometric mean". I'm not a fan of keeping incomprehensible articles, and I saw that the editor has also copied from another web page, so I slapped {{copyvio}} on everything. Thanks for your comments. I hope you're not too busy in real life, just fashionably busy ;) -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 06:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, the copyvio tag is the right thing to do.
OK, I should be busy, as I am applying for jobs and that's a pain. But yeah, I still find time to check my watchlist. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Ouch, applying for jobs is not the nicest thing in the world. Good luck! -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 00:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taylor series

I responded at Talk:Taylor series. -- Petri Krohn 04:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Error function of complex numbers

Regarding this edit; as far as I can see, the error function is well-defined for complex numbers, for instance by its Taylor series, and the article even says this. Perhaps there's something I've missed. Fredrik Johansson 16:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

You are right. I saw the integral from 0 to x and thought that x is a real number. But x of course can be complex, and then we just have a path integral. I reverted myself now. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the tips!

I just wanted to thank you for the tips, especially regarding links! I appreciate your comments and will be sure to read the pages you suggested. Thanks also for moving the page - the capitalisation was annoying but I was unsure how to rename/move pages. Kind regards, Dan Pope 21:02, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarian community

Hi Oleg! We'd like to use a bot doing the same job as yours in the Hungarian Wikipedia. How could we solve that? Our bot owners ask you to give us the code of Mathbot. Or could you suggest something that would fit to you too, please. Thank you in advance. NCurse work 20:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I can surely give you all the codes, but I would like to give them to somebody who knows some Perl or some other programming language, so that they will have some idea about how to set it up. Note that setting the bot up could be some work, as it uses the WWW::Mediawiki::Client package which has a bunch of dependencies. Also, if you want to run the bot on a Windows machine (I run it on Linux) some tweaks may need to take place. So, as long as anybody knowlegeable is willing to put some work, I'll be more than happy to cooperate. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the answer. I ask them to contact you. :) NCurse work 07:10, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Oleg! I'am Dami from the Hungarian Wikipedia, and I am the one NCurse has sent to talk to you :) First, I'd like to ask you about the easiest solution on my part: I know I am asking a lot from you, but would it be possible that You run Mathbot on the Hungarian Wikipedia, as the task would be similar, maybe simpler, just the pages different? If that isn't possible than please contact me, and start teaching me, how to run your bot, starting from installing the WWW::Mediawiki::Client on a Windows machine. Thank you very much. Regards --Dami 19:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

It will not be so easy for me to run the bot. First, I don't know which scripts you want to run. Second, many scripts would need to be modified for Hungarian keywords, and I don't know any Hungarian. Third, long term you may want to change things/add things, and you can't always rely on me to be around.
I never installed Perl on Windows. There is a tutorial here, and there should be more. You will need to install Active Perl I guess, if you don't have it installed already. Then, WWW::Mediawiki::Client has a lot of dependencies (you will see which if it complains and refuses to install).
By the way, do you know Perl at all? That would really help in installing stuff/modifying the scripts. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I am new to Perl. I was hoping it would be enough if we told you the names of the paths where your bot would have put the logs. Its true that we have slight changes, but nothing really that would warrant a totally personized script (the changes are that we have no importance rating (but would not mind an empty importance column), and two of the names of the ratings is changed ('stub' --> 'csonk' and 'FA' --> 'K'), also we don't have good article rating, but having an empty Good article row isn't a problem either at this stage).

Would that be possible that we provide you with either the modifed scripts (ie: where the English words are changed to Hungarian, and the templates are those used on huwiki (though the class parameter of it is same as here, with the above changes), and with the huwiki specific save paths)?

I will look into installing Perl and the WWW::Mediawiki::Client later today, and report back to you when I'm succesful. As I mentioned I'm new to Perl, but also confident, as I hope only the localisation of some strings is necessary for running the "assesment summarizer" program on huwiki.--Dami 10:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi again! I'm having difficulty installing the Mediawiki client because of its dependencies (I have all but one figure out) :((( I would like to ask you to outline the principle behind your bot. Reading the userpage of Mathbot, I understand that we would be needing only the scripts associated with the Wikiproject 1.0 duties of your bot. Is it possible that you run a bot using the modified scripts I (and the Hungarian Community behind me) would provide. As I don't yet know the working philosophy of the bot but hopefully the changes necessary would only be localisations of the tables headers, the paths, the templates names, and minor changes to the table showing the statistics. Is it possible that you give me the files that contain these configurations, and then I localise it and send it back to you. Also I know that I'm this way a bit of a letdown, believe me before today I wouldn't have believed if someone told me I couldn't install a program, so I'm a bit disappointed in myself too... Of the three problems you mentioned I think my proposal would solve the first and the second (i.e. we modify the script or "teach you Hungarian" where needed), the third problem about you not being around all the time hopefully won't come up, we might bother you with the creation of some new projects but we might as well just create the templates and other pages for some future projects in advance (especially if your bot supports redirects...) if that's possible [and in the long run there has to be someone on huwiki who will eventually be able to install the mediawiki::client :)]. Thanks again for your help--Dami 21:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately that I may not be around could be a problem. Just last night the bot got confused by some server changes and started messing up hundreds of pages. Luckily I was online and killed it before it did further damage.

The short story is that bots break, and they need constant supervision and maintanance. I believe it would be too much work for me to supervise the Hungarian project in addition to the English one. I will be very happy to give you the code, but I would need somebody at the Hungarian Wikipedia who would know Perl well enough to run the bot, modify it if necessary, and take responsibility when it breaks. Sorry I can't help with more than that. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Oleg! I successfully installed the WWW::Mediawiki::Client. I spoke with Dami, and he asked me to maintain the bot. I haven't used Perl before (I just started to learn it, and it seems not too difficult), but I have good knowledge in Delphi and Pascal and I learned PHP in short time, so I think that it won't be a problem, except if I have to make difficult modifications. Can you give me the code, and tell me what modifications I have to make? You can send me the answer in e-mail, too, my address is bdanee at freemail dot hu. --bDaneE 15:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Great! I know that installing that package is a pain. I need to put together that script together with all dependencies and eliminate all Linux-specific parts. I will do that tonight and send you the code. We can communicate by email from now on. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Did we crash Mathbot?

Oleg, we over at WP:AIRPORTS, assessed some 2,500 articles today. The bot looked like it was making its daily 04:00 UTC run of 1.0 WikiProjects. It got through 3 or 4 projects before it got to us, so I'm seeing the pattern for updates:

Statistics, then /1 /2 /3 etc, the parent of them, and finally the changelog.

Well, it got through the statistics, and then stopped at 04:17 UTC. It's 04:53 as of this writing and it looks like MathBot has crashed, as it hasn't finished our project.

Just figured I'd inform you. Hopefully we didn't mess things up too badly for you. Thanks! thadius856talk 04:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The bot is still happily running. It is just that adding so many new articles at once causes the bot to fetch the history of each of them to create a fixed version link (see Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/A-League player articles by quality for an example). In short, the bot is not crashed, just busy. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, the bot seems to be stuck on daylight savings time and runs an hour late everywhere (at least at wp:afd/old). Fix it if you can muster the effort. - Bobet 01:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I can't quite understand what is going on, but I scheduled the bot to run an hour earlier. (Remind me again in the spring to switch it back :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Error on computer and video game articles by quality statistics

[[1]]. As you can see it's blank. RobJ1981 05:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Bot went mad. The discussion (if any) is at Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Index#Bot went mad. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 06:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Second source for Mathbot

In response to the Hungarians, you said "Unfortunately that I may not be around could be a problem. ... The short story is that bots break, and they need constant supervision and maintanance.". This raises the question of what preparation have you made for the eventuality that you will be unavailable to maintain Mathbot at some time in the future. Do you have any under-study who can fill in for you? If not, we should try to recruit one or two such people. JRSpriggs 08:05, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I ain't dead yet. :) Ultimately I will need to carefully polish the mathbot source code and make it public. Then anybody can take over the maintanance at any time. I just need to find time for that. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Style tips, redirection

Thank You for the tips, I have just removed many oberlinking from the new mathematical logic articles (Signature (mathematical logic), Non-logical symbol…).

Thank You also for the solving a redirection problem, which made it possible to get rid of the

Signature (in mathematical logic)

trick.

Best wishes

Physis 11:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. You're right. I'll be more careful. Stammer 16:54, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bot task?

Hey (again). I'm interested in either finding or creating a bot that would render a table (much like articles by quality) with a list of members in a WikiProject.. then their number of edits on pages in the project's master category (basically their edits to any articles in the project) in the last 30 days and in their tenure as wikipedians. I downloaded the pywiki thing hoping to quickly learn exactly how to build it, but I'm pretty stumped. Do you think this could be done by Mathbot or should I write the script, and if so.. should i be using pywiki? drumguy8800 C T 23:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm just kidding.. now that I see your response to the Hungarian thing, it looks like me doing this myself would be biting off way more than I could chew. I do not know Perl, but I do quite a bit of Java coding and of course HTML.. but I fear those are in different programming genres.. from a glance it looks like PHP (w/ all the $ signs) which I have never touched. drumguy8800 C T 23:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Installing the Perl bot framework is a big pain indeed (I hope one day to fix that, but I don't know when).
Unfortunately I don't have the time to help write the script you suggest as real life keeps me rather busy at the moment.
If you want to become a bot writer, I would say that the Python framework is easier to use and many more people know it, but Perl is (in my view) a better language for text processing. Either way, learning to write a bot could be some work, but it is also great fun, so perhaps you could give it a try. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit history - minor vs major

Hi Oleg.

I've realised that I've marked a lot of edits as minor when they were adding new material to articles (predominantly the List of matrices article). Is there any way to reclassify these edits so that other editors won't ignore them in the recent changes? Not because I don't trust what I've entered, but simply as good practice. The list was already fairly long, hence my adding one or two entries now and then didn't seem 'major'. I've since re-read the definition! Keep up the good work. Dan Pope 09:57, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Dan. I don't think there is a good way to reclassify edits from minor to major. That would require hacking the database or something, and it is not worth it I would think. Besides, in the recent changes people look mostly at vandalism anyway. Usually it is people who have an article on their watchlist who look in detail at what you changed, and then they would look at both major and minor edits anyway I would think.
In short, I guess you can repent, swear to use the minor edit button only when appropriate from now on, and you are forgiven of your past sins. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:25, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
There is an option in one's preferences to set the minor-edit flag by default. Make sure that is off. JRSpriggs 05:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] tips

Thanks for the tips. Are you related to the Alexandroff of "Alexandroff and Hopf" - I once read parts of that book? But your name has a v where the other has two f's

I agree that scalar variables should be italicized, even if they are in Greek or Hebrew (Aleph-0). (I am doing word play on nationalities - Italic for Italy, etc.) Sorry I missed putting italics - I just do my quick slapdash work. I mean to come back and fix it better, but I do not always remember to do so.

About the underscore in the link. I find it safest to open the page I want and copy the url using the mouse, then paste into the page I'm editing, nested in [[....]]. Sometimes there are percent signs, too - it works OK. They say "if it ain't broke don't fix it". But you are welcome to fix both items - italicization and stray underscores and % signs.

Best Regards 24.8.160.40 08:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mathbot

Has it seized up again? at about 10:45 am :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 11:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

The UCLA computers (on which mathbot is running) are down, I don't know why. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dog articles

Thanks for having categorized the WikiProject Dogs articles. With any luck, they'll show up now. I honestly haven't checked, so I don't know what happened with it, but you have my profoundest thanks. Badbilltucker 15:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe we should have a category for articles that are dogs.--CSTAR 02:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What does "(top)" mean?

Sometimes I see "(top)" at the end of an edit summary, e.g. in "my contributions". What does it mean? JRSpriggs 06:08, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

That you've done the last edit to page, and that your revision is the current revision visible to everyone. Titoxd(?!?) 06:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. That makes sense. I should have figured it out myself. JRSpriggs 06:16, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks!

My brand-spankin' new mop!

My RfA done
I hope to wield my mop well
(Her name is Vera)

I appreciate
The support you have shown me
(I hope I don't suck)

Anyway, I just
wanted to drop you a line
(damn, haikus are hard)

EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another barnstar for the collection!

The Original Barnstar
Oleg Alexandrov is hereby awarded The Original Barnstar for doing so many great things that I can't decide what to award a barnstar for! -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 22:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Wow, thanks! I am not sure what "great" things I did lately, besides fixing my bot when it started blanking hundreds of pages in the WP:1.0/I project, but I guess that was something. :) Thanks! Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:26, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Just maintaining Mathbot counts as "many great things" :-) And there's the usual copyediting, helping other editors, and all those other things I probably don't even know about :) -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 20:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Articles by class and importance

Is it possible for Mathbot to create a table showing the correlation of class and importance? For example:

Table Name
Goes Here?		 Importance
Top High Mid Low
Class FA # # # #
A # # # #
GA # # # #
B # # # #
Start # # # #
Stub # # # #

My thoughts are that it isn't really feasibly possible with the way Mathbot works. I assume it simply loads the categories instead of loading each page and implementing this would seriously convolute the code, require an entire rewrite and would cause massive load. But I figured I'd just ask anyway, in case I'm completely wrong. :) thadius856talk 01:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Continued at Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:13, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Meteorology

Hi there! I was wondering if your bot would be capable of a few things, and if you could possibly add a small job for it related to WikiProject Meteorology.

Well, the small thing first, naturally :). The meteorology project is somewhat dwarfed in part by one of it's subprojects (the tropical cyclones project). The subproject is run independently from the Meteorology project though, and so without messing up the 1.0 listings, we'd like a table that shows the the number of articles by quality in Wikipedia:WikiProject Meteorology minus the number by quality of Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones. The current manually updated table we have for this is currently transcluded from User:Runningonbrains/Meteorology_articles_by_quality.

OK, now that the simple one is out of the way, I was wondering if Mathbot was capable of performing the kind of work mentioned in the discussion here, and if so, whether it might be possible for it to take on such a task once we've thrashed out the specifics of what we actually want done by a bot in the project?

It's all a bit hypothetical at the moment anyway (except for that first simple request for a subtraction I mentioned) as someone from the project may yet write a bot for us, but I felt it worth asking just for informations sake for now. Thanks, Crimsone 03:40, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I am rather reluctant to have mathbot work on specific tasks for individual projects. That would be a lot of work on my part, and would not have that many benefits. I would suggest, as mentioned at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Meteorology that you get a bot writer to work on your projects specific needs. That also applies for the first requst above, about meteorology vs tropical cyclones. I think it should be easy enough to implement as a standalone script using the python wikipedia framework. Sorry. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Having a rudimentary and somewhat deficient understanding of coding, I understand the reluctance. I kinda knew of the possibility that it could be a lot of work on your part before asking, I just wasn't sure. Thankyou very much for taking the time to reply though :) Crimsone 05:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About Request for edit summary

Thank you very much for your advice that you wrote on my talk page here. By the way,I love mathematics.

--Meno25 05:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Commutative diagram

hey, Oleg. sorry to bother you. hope you could help me. how does one make one of those and put it in an article? thanks. Mct mht 05:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, really, but I know who knows. Try to ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics. Some algebraists/topologists hang around there. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
damn that was quick. thanks. i thought you were the graphics guy (didn't you make them pics at holomorphic functional calculus?). Mct mht 05:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mathbot running a day late

Hello. In case you haven't noticed, Mathbot seems to be running a day late - it's currently doing updates under yesterday's date (13 Nov). I'm guessing that the bot's a bit overworked... Mike Peel 12:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

It does that because of a few things. It started late on Nov 13 in Pacific time, which is already Nov 14 in Europe. By the time it finished, it was Nov 14 everywhere I guess. Does it bother you that things are a bit delayed? :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 15:56, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I forgot about timezones. I was thinking that the bot was taking longer than 24 hours to get a run done, in which case I was going to suggest that it either runs faster, or has a period of every 2 days rather than 1. It doesn't really matter to me - the important thing is that the work gets done, not when it gets done. Thanks. Mike Peel 09:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually I had some time to think about it and I realized that you are right. I converted my bot to GMT time, I think it is better that way. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] procedures for manual calculation of logarithms

Hi, I was taking a look at logarithms and was interested to know how the first table of logarithms were calculated. It would be very interesting to know how the table of logarithms of base 10 and base e were first calculated by hand as well as the trigonometric tables were also calculated by hand. Maybe you could add links to other topics in wikipedia that provides this information. Thanks. Dr mindbender 04:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how to answer your question. Try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics though, people who hang around there turn out to be more knowledgeable. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Appreciate it. Dr mindbender 05:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I added a section on series for the natural logarithm to the article. You could use those series to calculate logarithms. How it was/is actually done by those who compile tables or write calculator/computer software, I do not know. JRSpriggs 08:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mathbot statistics chanegs

I just wanted to say many thanks for changeing Mathbot to do a table of qulaity/importance, rather than a straight list by importance. Shoudl be very useful :-) Tompw 13:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Derivative

Thx for your comment on the above with your revert. I'll try to fix first part simply. The second part as written it is not correct (because velocity is speed & direction, not merely speed). My revision at least had the advantage of fixing that. I'll save other comments for the Talk Page of the article. Make no mistake, however, I did appreciate your critique. If my next revision of the article does not get it right, please fix or revert (with Talk Page or Edit summary rationale in mind I hope). I think a realistic objective of the lead should be to convey intuitively what a derivative is to someone who lacks that background knowledge. BW, Thomasmeeks 01:15, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I put the rationale for second edit after your revert in the Edit summary only. Thomasmeeks 02:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
P.P.S. I did not have a clue as to what prompted your last remove until I reflected. I hope the revision fixes the lack of clarity to your satisfaction. Thx again. Thomasmeeks 14:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Alexandrov: On your recent Edit, I can see why you did what you did. You edited according to your best understanding. But you might consider whether the principle of charity might help your Edits. I have in mind only the last Edit,* whose summary reads:

so, direct relationship is a convoluted way of saying that the function is increasing

Not exactly. The name that I gave to the link was 'positive relationship' (not 'direct relationship'), which I think many readers would understand. The rest would get an accurate sense of the usage by following the link to a simple explanation. Your Edit, I think wisely, did not include a link to increasing function, possibly b/c that article might be a bit scarier to some readers.

My edit distinguished between a derivative representing a + or - relationship (expressing it in metric form) and derivatives determining (deriving) other properties. Your Edit eliminated that distinction. My guess is that some of the uninitiated would find the distinction useful and interesting & that you are sympathetic to the unitiated.

* The earlier ones, in particular the Edit summaries, though terse, were helpful & appreciated. Thomasmeeks 02:58, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I do have in mind a simple Edit to address the above elimination, which I believe that you'd find helpful. If you'd consider reviewing it first, I'd be glad to send it to you. Otherwise I'll just post it in a couple days and hope that it meets with acceptance or improvement over the current Edit. Thomasmeeks 04:23, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
P.P.S. I appreciate your response. But, hey, come to think of it, nobody (with the possible exception of Jimbo Wales) owns any Wiki articles. Even your last Edit summary prepared me for a response to my latest Derivative edit (probably next-to-last such) and for the last 2 Talk Page entries, which I just completed. So, I'm way ahead from your edits. And please continue to Edit, or even revert, my (pathetic!) efforts if warranted in your judgment. By the way, if you could get someone to put in a partial derivative 'ό' among the Wiki Edit Inserts or Symbols and in regular font size, that would be amazing. BW, Thomasmeeks 16:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
In tex, one uses "\partial". For example, \frac{\partial x^2 y}{\partial y} = x^2. But perhaps you already know that. JRSpriggs 10:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Table of mathematical symbols has what I was looking for. Symbols can be copied without Editing. With Underline, that gives a fair amount of regular-font-size flexibility. Thus, ∂GDP > 0.
∂M
By now, however, I'm hooked on TeX. Thomasmeeks 04:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Typo in Houston categories by quality/importance

Hello..Thanks for your help..I wasn't sure what needed to be done to get the automated assessment going. I noticed that Houston was misspelled (Huston is incorrect) when the categories were created. How can this be fixed? Thank you Postoak 05:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. I fixed my misspelling now and deleted the mis-spelled categories. Oleg Alexandrov (talk)
Thanks! Postoak 05:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
OK. :) When the bot runs tomorrow it will do the counting for the Houston project. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 06:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again..looks great! Postoak 05:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Needing your assistance please

Dear Mr Oleg,

Good morning!

I am a USER in Wikepedia by name Soosaiya.

Currently I am writing on a topic " A small introduction to Freud's INTERPRETATION OF DREAM". I have finished reading this 700 page book. Now I am very much interested in condensing Freud's writing into a smaller size say 50 pages in Wikipedia by contributing progressively every day. The reason for this is to encourage new readers in this scientific work; and for this, the volume needs to be condensed.First I loaded 2 pages work, then now I want to load the expanded pages( as I progress) to the previous day's contribution. Will u please help me how to do this revision on every day basis? So far I did not get the allocation; it still remains in image pdf category.

Further the Wikipedia rules and guidlines seem to too vast a pacific ocean to sail through and find what I want.

Best Regards

A.Soosaiya Seoul

soosaiya@hotmail.com

I am kind of confused by your request. I am not sure if what you plan to do would result in an article which would fit into an encyclopedia. Also, 50 pages for an article is a bit too much I would think. I'd suggest you discuss with people who know more than me about these things, for example, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Psychology. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:23, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] convex image

I was very happy for the "respectfully" in your reverting comment! :)
I tried my best once more, cehck out Image:Convex Function.png. What do you think now? Any other suggestion? I wanted an image with a source code (reproducable) and one with a (partly) falling function and one with now arrows.
Very curious what you think now , best de:Benutzer:Thire aka 128.130.51.96 15:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, the image is great! Two more things which need to be done is I think to replace y(1-t) with (1-t)y (now you sometimes put the t's first, and sometimes last). Also, making variables italic, so y instead of y, would really help blend with the notation in the text. After that, I think you can put the image in, I have no more objections. By the way, why don't you make an account here? It is easier to deal with people who have an account. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I am busy this week at university, but I will try to incorporate your suggestions at the weekend. Thanks for those anyway! :)
I don't do much here in the english wikipedia, so I did not open an account here yet. Perhaps this occation (image) will let me enter in the english world of wikipedia. :)
You'll hear of me on the weekend, --128.130.51.96 08:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
...and I found some more work at Derivative... we'll see what happens!
I added your requests. And commons:User:AtonX added Image:Convex Function.svg. But anywhere I prefer mine ;) --128.131.219.28 11:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mathbot running not at all

Seems to have stopped yesterday morning and not a peep out of it's regular work since.! :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index#Statistics - total number of assess articles decreasing? Some articles are misteriously disappearing. But it appears that it is not bot's fault. The bot will run tonight as usual. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 15:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] minor change to template:RfA

Okay, I'll bite. Is there any reason your bot would not be able to handle a change of "Ending" to "Scheduled to end" on Template:RfA? Both WP:WATCH and WP:BN seem to be handling the MrDarcy example fine so far. Crossposted to the other two BotOps mentioned there. -- nae'blis 23:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I think my bot is not affected by that. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 06:34, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This IP

This IP is located at the University of Rochester.... please do not ban it. Some of the changes it has made were not done by me, but by other students. 128.151.253.249 03:33, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that if you become a registered user, you will not usually be affected by a block of your IP address. Just be on good behaviour, so that your user-id is not also banned. JRSpriggs 12:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summary calculations

re: http://www.math.ucla.edu/~aoleg/wp/rfa/edit_summary.html

I don't understand the results from calculations on that page. I have an edit summary for most of my edits (see [2]), but it says that I only have 66% for major edits. Many of my edits have just used the default section header as the edit summary, and it appears that your calculation of edit summaries is counting those as having no edit summary. I think that page needs an explanation of how you do the calculations. 05:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the bot does not count the default edit summaries. Edit summaries are most useful when the user actually writes something informative, while the default summary would just point out the section. I am not sure an explanation is necessary, I think the bot is doing what is expected. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 06:33, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mathbot for ArbCom

Well, not really. :P Any chance of getting Mathbot to provide an updated page, like it did last election? Titoxd(?!?) 01:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I see there already is a table of results, at User:Gurch/Reports/ArbComElections, but in a "me too" fashion I resurrected last year's script, which will be displaying hourly results at User:Mathbot/ArbCom Election December 2006. If data in the two pages coincide, it means we are doing something right. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Good thing you did, mine stalled for 9 hours while I was asleep. It's back up now, though. (And it has fancy colour-coding and sortable tables, too, though I've been getting reports they don't work properly in IE, which is a shame). The data probably won't coincide, though, since they update at different times – Gurch 22:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OK, now the Mathbot ArbCom summary page has the same problem

Now User:Mathbot/ArbCom Election December 2006 has the same problem (blank page on IE 6.02 on Windows XP) as User:Gurch/Reports/ArbComElections. —Doug Bell talk 05:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

It was because I used a sortable table. I removed it now. That Gurch has it is enough I guess. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TeX tips

Hi Oleg, thank you very much for your tips and the link: I will surely use it as a reference guide. As you can see from my list of contributions, I have done several TeXing of voices or part of voices, and now I see that, in some cases, the result does not look very good from the point of view of indentation: unrestricted use of TeX makes the voice look "heavy", even if TeX itself looks far better than any other way of typing mathematical formulas. But at the same time. I see cases where mixing the two ways of writing mathematics gives the same "heavyness" result: so I try to follow an aesthetic criteria, choosing a uniform way of writing mathematics within a any single block of text. Harmonizing TeX within web text typing is surely a challenge: do you know if someone is trying to do this? Again thanks:) Daniele.tampieri 21:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

There is no good way, unfortunately, unless Wikipedia is made up of pdf files. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Better still is the MathML way. But recent updates to Dmharvey's user page suggest Real Life has distracted him from pushing blahtex at the moment. Maybe Jitse Niesen knows something of its current status? --KSmrqT 05:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your input is requested

Your input would be appreciated at this Request for Comments. Kelly Martin (talk) 17:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mathbot bugs

I don't know if you knew this, but I just ran mathbot for WP:FILMS (the on-command version) and it worked... the statistics got updated and so did the log. Plus it gave me:

Done with Category:Film articles by quality!

Thanks for Mathbot! Cbrown1023 02:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

So, you meant to say "no bugs"? :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mathbot missing importance

There is a bit of a bug with Mathbot. Whenever it does quality stats boxes, like Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Canada-related articles by quality statistics, it doesn't link to the importance categories, and will infact remove the links if they have been added when it updates, like here. Just wanted to let you know so you can improve the bot. JQF • Talk • Contribs 15:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I am aware of this. In the last few days we dealt with bugs which caused the bot to remove articles from projects, so I did not have time to deal with this issue. It is on my to-do list, and I will work on it, perhaps in a week or two, after I fix a few more things which I think have a bit more of priority. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] thanks

thank you for information —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vssun (talk • contribs) 04:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC). --sunil 04:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] talk archive epinephrine -> speedy

Hi, I saw that mathbot tagged a talk-archive of epinephrine for speedy deletion, I guess that is a mistake. Could you have look? --Dirk Beetstra T C 07:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

It tried to speedy Talk:Magneto (comics)/Archive 1, as well: diff —Celithemis 08:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
There are many, please stop the bot, this will result in deletion of many archives. --Dirk Beetstra T C 08:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Let me be the third to note that the automated creation of messes like this is extremely uncool. -- Visviva 08:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry! The bot was doing the right thing for a while, then I went to bed, then it started tagging a bunch of archives. Thanks for blocking the bot, my dumb script finished in the meantime, and I unblocked the bot. Sorry again for the trouble. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mathbot seems to be erroring on Bird articles

It is now playing a different game, going round and round as far as I can tell. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 09:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy tagging of talk archives

As you have probably noticed, your bot mistakenly tags lots of talk archives for speedy deletion. Could you tag them with a template, perhaps one that says "This page carries a WP1.0 assessment template, but is not attached to an article" thingy instead that asks for removal of the problematic WikiProject template instead of suggesting to delete the not-orphaned talkpage? Thank you, and thanks a lot for your great work with the bot! Kusma (討論) 11:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No grudges?

Hi Oleg. Having just discovered that MathBot is counting ArbCom votes here, I wanted it to know that I deeply regret these unkind perrsonal attacks here and here, especially the "silly little bag-of-bits" remark. I apologize and I hope it will find it in its code somewhere to forgive and forget. I wish it nothing but the best. Regards, Paul August ☎ 04:05, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, OK, I'll make sure you score in the table is computed correctly. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually I was hoping you could get rid of those pesky 8 "oppose" votes? I'm sure Mathbot made those up. I don't think it is just a coincidence that "8" rotated is infinity. Paul August ☎ 19:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Ooops, now it is 9. Very clever of MathBot. Paul August ☎ 19:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
The bot says it would count your opposes modulo 12. So, three more opposes, and you will be back to 0. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 20:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summaries

I am now working with the article and make many changes. When the work is over i'll remove the underconstruction tag.--Planemo 17:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Architecture/Assessment

Hi, appreciate your adopting the assessment for architecture. Do you know a source of information about writing the code for the importance flag in a Project Banner template? Thanks —Dogears (talk • contribs) 02:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

See what you like from Category:WikiProject banners. For example, {{WikiProject California}} . Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:55, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Self-references in List of mathematics articles

I noticed that you pointed out in this edit summary that links to a Wikiproject are not a self-reference. I disagree. According to Wikipedia:Avoid self references section "Community and website feature references": "do not refer to any Wikipedia project page or process". The "Examples of self-references" section lists "Any article in the article namespace that links to one in the Wikipedia namespace". If you believe these links should stay, they should at least be put in a {{selfref}} template. However, I still believe they should be removed. Khatru2 07:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I see what you meant by self-reference now.
Actually, the better solution would be moving list of mathematics articles to the Wikipedia namespace also, so Wikipedia:List of mathematics articles, as really, such a huge list of articles which is bot-generated to start with, does not belong in the main namespace.
But I'd prefer to keep the status quo. The link to the wikiproject is very important, has been there for a while, and, I think policies should also be interpreted on a case-by-case basis. I think no harm is done in keeping the wikiproject link and I think it has good uses. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:16, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I think that a move to the Wikipedia namespace should be seriously considered. The problem with this page is that, except for the {{MathTopicTOC}} template, the entire page is written as if the reader is an editor of Wikipedia. If this text were reused for some reason in another form, it would not make sense. I will leave a note on the article talk page. Khatru2 18:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I think you should post the note of suggested move to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics. Note that the move would be a lot of work (I did one such move earlier) and I would not agree with it, I think those lists look better in the main namespace. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Using mathbot's progress bar functionality?

I've been looking at WP:MST and am very fond of the status bars that are there. I'm wondering if the status bar functionality is available for others to use, or if its is reserved for that project, or...? I'm trying to organize and create the collaboration page for WikiProject Airports.

It would likely come in handy if the project was to create what I'm hoping for: a list of links to articles which need to be created. It's simply too long to post on our requested articles page. For perspective, we are approaching 5,000 airport articles and I estimate that we have almost 5,000 more articles to create before all redlinks are gone from List of airports by IATA code and List of airports by ICAO code, as well the more specialized lists like List of airports in California and List of airports in Texas.

Is there any way we could harness Mathbot's raw power and cunning counting skills for this? Thanks. thadius856talk|airports|neutrality 22:16, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be easy enough to write a script to read all those articles and count the red from the blue. I'll try to work on it in the weekend. Where would you want that big list of redlinks and the status (percentage of redlinks out of redlinks and bluelinks) to be located? Note that that list may be huge, so it would need perhaps to be split into smaller lists, say by first letter of airport name. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm looking to create the department at Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports/Creation drive, so it'd probably be a subpage of that. I suppose the list would be fine at Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports/Creation drive/List: A (and B-Z as well, I suppose, if you wanted to break it into subpages). I don't think a list of both red and blue would be needed, as we have the project categories for finding the blues. The progress bar would probably go great at Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports/Creation drive/Status bar, so it could be used almost as a template.
For the lists to gleam the links from, I'd suggest using the following:
List of airports by IATA code
List of airports by ICAO code
List of airports in Alaska (and all other U.S. states - don't use List of airports in the United States as it's truncated)
That would get you all airports with either an FAA LID, IATA airport code or ICAO airport code (obviously with quite a bit of overlap).
Are you sure you want to do this much coding, Oleg? I was hoping that it was somewhat... standardized and available for use, just I hadn't seen the documentation. I'm not sure I feel very good asking you for so much work. :\ thadius856talk|airports|neutrality 07:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Something standardized won't work, since List of airports by IATA code and List of airports in Alaska use different format among themselves and yet different than what I did so far at WP:MST. I'll try to give it a try with List of airports by IATA code and List of airports by ICAO code which use a simple format. If that works well, I'll consider expanding it to List of airports in Alaska and all other states. Let us see how it goes. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 15:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I'd be more than happy to build the list manually with AWB if that would make things any easier on you. Would a standardized, plain numbered list work if it was added to a category that Mathbot monitors? It's only 52 lists or so, so it wouldn't be too much work on my part. thadius856talk|airports|neutrality 18:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cut-the-knot

/* Request for edit summary */ -- Fair enough.

I was just starting on part of this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#cut-the-knot.org by the way.

The links are a bit mixed but some aren't very useful

--BozMo talk 15:55, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I found those links to be useful and I know the guy who inserted them, he does a careful job of where he puts them. Do you check what the links are about before you remove them? Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 15:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Careful maybe but 405 links to a commercial site is quite a few. I did have a look through them and checked if they were specifically relevant to that page rather than another WP page. I took about 7 of the 400 links to this site out, also checked if there was additional content not in the WP article. I think it is worth you joining the discussion on the Wikispam page though because although I am fairly selective about removing lnks there is a risk that a rapid removal by other people will follow. --BozMo talk 16:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I joined the discussion. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:05, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation please

Since you are an administrator, could you please evaluate whether I was correct to revert a change to Job hunting (see Talk:Job hunting for the other side). I felt that the edits by Joewski (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log) constituted sneaky vandalism because he talked about using extortion and murder as job hunting techniques. As is usual with vandals, I reverted all of his change to that article once I decided that part of it constituted vandalism. JRSpriggs 04:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

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