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[edit] Speculation
I'd just like to note that until we get some solid information on what is mentioned in the specualation section, despite the fact that you can speak Latin and know of old books and whatnot, you need to step back and remember that you are posting in the "speculation" section - nothing is fact yet. Let's just leave it at what it might be, not what it is or isn't. Dav
Should we remove these sections now? 80.189.241.114
There's a lot of speculation going around that the time signatures of the songs actually correspond to their track numbers (i.e., track 1 is in 1/8 time, 2 is in 1/4 time, and so on).. however, I can't for the life of me tell. Might somebody be able to verify this?
- There are a LOT of things like that going on in the album. I can't go looking for it now, but go into the MikePortnoy.com forum and look for a thread entitled "Octavarium nuggets" or something similar, there are a lot of hidden references and the like all through Octavarium.
plattopustalk June 29, 2005 23:41 (UTC)
[edit] Is This Notable?
i Think James LaBrie sings the words 'Nightmare Cinema' on the title track, is this notable at all?
[edit] Album numeration
"It is also interesting to note that Octavarium follows a pattern started in Dream Theater's 6th studio album, Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence". It sounded wrong, so I tried to count the albums. I came up with number #7 for Six Degrees and #9 for Octavarium. Discrepancy appears because for some reason "A Change of Seasons" is considered to be an EP. This is just plain wrong. By definition, 57 minute long album can't be an EP. Album length takes precedence over the number of tracks. Calling "A Change of Seasons" an EP is just like calling "Animals" an EP. --8.4.80.163 17:49, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- ACOS was released as an EP, is referenced as an EP everywhere, and is considered an EP by the band and the label who released it... so it's an EP regardless of whether or not it conforms to out-dated "rules" that have no real meaning when CDs are concerned. plattopusis this thing on? 17:55, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
- Do we have any rules that allow us to distinguish between EPs and studio albums in the post-vinyl era? If we do, I don't see what makes "ACOS" an EP ( other than that it was called an EP when it was released ). It is very similar to both CDs of TransAtlantic, yet we call those studio albums.
- If we don't, the division is completely arbitrary, and it does not make any sense to count studio albums and skip EPs. --8.4.80.163 19:31, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Well, The Mars Volta's new album was supposed to be five tracks long, but they were forced to split the last song's movements into more tracks, because otherwise it'd have been called an EP. Dav 08:47, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- To be honest, I think the fact that the label who released the "EP", and the band who recorded it, all refer to it as an EP, should be the deciding factor. Also the fact that SDOIT had so many references to the number 6, and was said to have such because it was their "sixth album", would have to be pretty conclusive. If the band themselves ignore ACOS when referring to their "studio albums", then I think the pedia should too. plattopusis this thing on? 19:39, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, ACOS, the track, was recorded in the mid-80's and was never released. The rest of the songs on the album are live recordings of Dream Theater covering songs from artists that influenced them. They are not Dream Theater's own (which I'm sure most of you know). You can't have a studio album when most of the songs on the album were not recorded in a studio. I personally could care less about correllations. I am in love with their music and they are by far my favorite artists on the planet, period. I should also mention you might want to check out the CD cover and look at the titles of all of the songs, specifically 1 and 8. Octavarium (track 8) is broken into 5 parts labelled I through V, and track 1 (The Root Of All Evil) is broken into 2 parts, labelled VI and VII, the last two parts to Octavarium. -- mjxg
- Actually, the Root of All Evil is NOT part of Octavarium - it is parts Six and Seven of Mike Portnoy's "AA Saga" (as it is referred to) which also includes The Glass Prison and This Dying Soul. In addition, Octavarium having 5 parts goes along with the themes of 5 and 8 on the album.
- Actually, ACOS, the track, was recorded in the mid-80's and was never released. The rest of the songs on the album are live recordings of Dream Theater covering songs from artists that influenced them. They are not Dream Theater's own (which I'm sure most of you know). You can't have a studio album when most of the songs on the album were not recorded in a studio. I personally could care less about correllations. I am in love with their music and they are by far my favorite artists on the planet, period. I should also mention you might want to check out the CD cover and look at the titles of all of the songs, specifically 1 and 8. Octavarium (track 8) is broken into 5 parts labelled I through V, and track 1 (The Root Of All Evil) is broken into 2 parts, labelled VI and VII, the last two parts to Octavarium. -- mjxg
By definition an EP(extended-play) is generally a maximum of 7 songs long while an LP is 8 songs or more(refer to the articles about EP's and LP's on this very site). It has nothing or very little to do with the actual minutes length. However this explanation of the EP status of ACOS does bring into question why Atlantic records chose to call Train of Thought an album since it has only 7 songs.
[edit] Track Times
The track times, posted online by a Berlesman, have been confirmed by the webmaster and moderator of Mike Portnoy's forums. Link: http://mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=826423&mpage=21
He is very strict, and would never confirm such a thing unless he had permission from Mike himself.
- Yes, I have now stopped removing the track times, but originally they were from an unconfirmed, unverified source so there was reason to remove them. plattopustalk 21:10, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Chart performance
I think it's alright to list the chart performance - but the form in which it is listed now is not good enough. For example, which charts are the records on? Should it be displayed in a table? Idono 17:09, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Revision
I'm overhauling this article, editing it and adding in more information about the concept/music/lyrics/artwork, etc. You can see my work in progress here: User:Enigma00/octavarium
Enigma00 15:57, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
- It's looking real good. Keep up the good work - I see nothing but interesting information as it is now!
- --Mathew 19:58, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] my change
I removed this from the "Speculation on the title" section. It appears to me that the sentence was written back when Octavarium wasn't released yet, and as such isn't applicable anymore. If that's not the case, please don't bite :) --qviri talk 22:43, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] the band
holy hell they are awesome
[edit] What happened to their musical style?
This album sounds like Linkin Park. The sound became very nu-metal and industrial-ish. Was that the band's intention? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jamesse (talk • contribs) 11:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC).
