Talk:Objects from The Lost Room

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Contents 1 "Memories of the dead" 2 Orginal Occupant 3 Verified Objects 4 SciFi.com Listed Objects 5 Potential Objects 5.1 Prime Object 5.2 Cufflink 5.3 Fingerprint 5.4 Objects in the Film Reel 5.5 Cigarettes 5.6 Shoe 5.7 Diesel Locomotive Keychain 5.8 Coat 5.9 Knife 5.10 Bellows Camera 5.11 Rotary Telephone 5.12 Motel Door (room number unknown - 10??) 5.13 bedside lamps (two) 5.14 Joe Miller? 6 Speculation 7 Effects and Combined Effects 8 Pic of Object Chart 9 Fingerprint? MacGuffins? 10 Letter opener 11 The Revolver 12 Cleaning up the List 13 Polaroids

[edit] "Memories of the dead"

The section about the quarter said "memories of the dead act comatose." Last I checked, comatose people generally can't walk around or speak, so I'm pretty sure this is false (Kreutzfeld's son talks and can walk)

[edit] Orginal Occupant

Did anyone catch the orginal occupants name? (His initals were E.M. i think his first name was eddie.) 65.3.161.172 04:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Verified Objects

What's the source that says the Glass Eye can repair or destroy flesh? Rokeon 11:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Karl said this in the first half of episode 2. Fllmtlchcb 03:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

and weasle said it destroys flesh

One wonders if it won't turn out that it transfers injury from one person to another, hence "repairing" one person's flesh, and "destroying" the other's. In which case, that one guy might have to get leukemia in order to cure his son.

[edit] SciFi.com Listed Objects

The Deck of Cards hasn't showed up on the show, but it is one of the Objects you can collect on scifi.com/lostroom/ Rokeon 04:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC) I think the deck of cards should be listed. Its powers were listed on the website. What do you guys think? Edit: Nevermind, someone beat me too it. --StevenFurtado 05:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Also are the objects on the 'Win $$ by picking 7 objects' SciFi.com page valid objects? Because I see Cigs, Bible, and Deck of Cards there. --Azsedcf 05:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The Pack of Cigarettes and the Bible are on the list already. Rokeon 05:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Looks like I did not make my self clear. Here is the list from the money give-away: Ashtray, Bible, Deck of Cards, Cigarettes, Coat Hanger, Family Photo, Flashlight, Letter Opener, Matchbook, Postcard, Rabbit's Foot, Ruler, Shoe Horn, Shot Glass, Suitcase, Tie, Toothbrush, Tweezers, Wallet, Watch Box. Yes there are objects there that have been seen elseware, but OTHER THAN the Bible(in glass case,1st ep), Cards(in other parts of website), Cigs(same as bible), Coat Hanger(in closet of room,1st ep), Nail File(used in 1st ep), and the Toothbrush(same as Bible and Cigs) are any of those VALID? -- Azsedcf 07:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Unless someone offical comes out and says "These are Object from the Lost Room, as they appear (or will appear) in the show", then I'd say no. JQF • Talk • Contribs 20:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The shot glass is part of The Order's collection along with Telephone, a suitcase, etc. 24.14.120.92 04:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

The shoe horn and(I think) the post card are also in the Order's collection, as can be seen in part two. There's also one more Object in their collection that I can't figure out.Sehvekah 06:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Potential Objects

[edit] Prime Object

The Prime Object is now on the list, but so far in the show this has been speculation -- and even when we find out what it is, it will presumably be one of the other Objects. Mikepwnz 15:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

shouldn't this be taken off the list because it doesn't exist??? 65.3.161.172 04:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cufflink

wasn't the cufflinks just a joke??? 65.3.174.138 02:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fingerprint

Someone put Fingerprint as an Object. Thoughts? Mikepwnz 15:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

It might not be an object per se. It got restored when the room reset. Joe had wiped it off, then gone outside to restore it so he could look at it again. Some issues: Did he take the "wipings" outside with him? I can't recall if he used his hand, a piece of clothing, or a rag he left in the room. If he took the wipings, then that suggests it is not an object (that it can be wiped, i.e. destroyed, also suggests it is not an object. Do objects lose their indestructability inside the room, like they do their effects?) What would an indestructible fingerprint be like, anyway? A very thin picture-like object that is chipped off the mirror? It seemed to behave like a fingerprint -- he could lift it with tape.

This brings up the further notion that some things like the bedding, the bed, other furniture or large objects, the walls, carpet, etc. may or may not be "objects" in that sense, either. Could one cut up the bed sheets and "reset" them to perfection?

[edit] Objects in the Film Reel

Anyone catch the Objects in the film that our hero and heroine viewed about the Collectors? For example, the Objects stapled to the door? If I had DVR, I'd freeze-frame it, but I'm pretty sure we haven't seen those before. Mikepwnz 07:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

• Looking closely a second time, I didn't catch all of them, but it looks like a butter knife is on there, the ashtray, and what look like wire clippers. Mikepwnz 07:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

We might want to create a "higher order combinations" chart that gives a list of items and their combined effect. What would this effect be best described as? Super-painful headache and scary visions?  :) Actually, it occurs to me that that effect was just the same ghostly effect as when one walked into Room 9. The "combined effect" of these items was to induce Room 9's door to open in a strange manner.

It would also be interesting for someone (ideally HDTV if available) to screen cap all the known maps and try to assemble a master map. See if the known combos all fit in there somehow, and are the "links" based on known combination effects or some other principle?

[edit] Cigarettes

What about the Cigarettes in the glass case at the end of the first episode? -- Azsedcf 05:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC) -- Quick Spelling Edit -- Azsedcf 05:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Those looked like playing cards to me. Fllmtlchcb 06:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

But didn't the Weasel say the items in the glass case were not 'active' in that no one knew what powers they had. -- Azsedcf 07:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

He said they were dormant because no one knew what they could do, but they're still objects.

[edit] Shoe

I added the shoe. There was a clear picture of it on Howard the Weasel's blackboard. 68.1.115.183 05:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Why was this taken out...? Fllmtlchcb

[edit] Diesel Locomotive Keychain

"Diesel Locomotive Keychain...Gives user telekinetic abilities...unknown...unknown" Where is that from? Verifiability? ~ PHDrillSergeant...§ 04:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Has that Object even been revealed? 68.1.115.183 04:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Nope. So I removed it. ~ PHDrillSergeant...§ 04:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coat

See I told you there was a coat that can stop bullets, but no one believed me. I know what all the objects are, but I have no way to source the info, so I'm not going to list them. P.S. There is a photograph and a rabbits foot, but I'm not sure if the rabbits foot made it into the final cut.

The coat's power isn't that it stops bullets. It's from the room, meaning it is indestructible. Fllmtlchcb 02:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Nice catch on the coat. I'm curious why no one removed the television from the room.Hatch68 02:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Hah, I wonder what its power would be. Able to see through other people's eyes? That'd be cool. XD Fllmtlchcb 03:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

how do you know all the objects? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.7.254.33 (talk) 03:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC).

Now that I saw the whole episode I see that your right about the coat being indestructable and not that it can stop bullets.75.21.112.185 03:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Knife

The article states it makes people fall asleep. Can this be verified? Fllmtlchcb 04:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

No, this is a mistake. The person was referring to another object. It is also listed as a nail file in this list (personally, I think it looks like a letter openener) Qvamp 04:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

It's definitely a nail file. Sci Fi magazine identified it as a nail file, as well. Fllmtlchcb 05:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Wally in episode one speaks of the knife and wristwatch combination, and at the start of episode two, Joe says, "I have two objects for you. The pen and your nail file." They are two distinct objects. Fllmtlchcb 23:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bellows Camera

This item was in the room of objects collected by "the order."

[edit] Rotary Telephone

This item was in the room of objects collected by "the order."

[edit] Motel Door (room number unknown - 10??)

This item was in the room of objects collected by "the order."

[edit] bedside lamps (two)

This item was in the room of objects collected by "the order."

Regarding the four objects listed above, it is believed that the room the Order made is a replica, and the only real objects are on the lit table. At least, that's what people I've talked to believe. Fllmtlchcb 02:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joe Miller?

According to the Law of Conservation of Objects Joe Miller should be an object now... should it be mentioned somewhere 209.247.22.25 04:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind I just saw it under Occupant 209.247.22.25 04:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speculation

Just a theory, but you think the reason the clock and pen didn't work was becuase they've been reset...? Fllmtlchcb 05:50, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

No. The Pen worked after it had been through a reset. It was used to fry a security system near the end of ep 1. JQF • Talk • Contribs 20:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Yup, theory dashed. Sigh. Thought I might have figured something out early on. Fllmtlchcb 23:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually the pen fried the security system before it was reset. I wonder if this show will become a regular series?

Not true. It was reset when Joe took Weasels clothes and put it and the pen in a pile in the room. This happened before the break in. -- 68.76.42.142 00:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Are the objects owned by the Order only those that are on the lighted table, or does it include everything found in the room? It seems strange that they have items like an old camera, phone and suitcase in that room. Along those lines, are the lamps and end tables just supposed to make it seem like Room 10, or could they be additional objects? (since the bed and bedding is still in the room, I assume those aren't objects) Qvamp 04:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm just speculating here with everyone else, but it looks like they had it set up as a shrine to the room, and tried to recreate the room as best they could, with the real objects on the table at the front. Hatch68 04:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Also note that the table at the front is a mimic of the one the television sits on in the real room. ~ PHDrillSergeant...§ 23:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Effects and Combined Effects

Should the Effects and Combined Effects columns be merged? Most combined powers are unknown, and wasn't it said that only some objects have combined powers? JQF • Talk • Contribs 02:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I say no. Powers and combined powers are different. Fllmtlchcb 03:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

no, until the series is complete such information may still be discovered. Also, an item lacking a combination is as significant as it having one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kail Ceannai (talk • contribs) 03:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Pic of Object Chart

Does somebody have a pic of the Object Chart they can put up? It seems important, and a pic would probably be good for the page. JQF • Talk • Contribs 13:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

There are at least two object charts -- one was on the floor of (Room 9 ?). I agree, this might be a good project, detailing the known ones, and attempting to combine them with other known combos -- do we know if the "links" represent known combined effects, or some other pattern? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.215.206.67 (talk • contribs) 14:41, December 13, 2006.

[edit] Fingerprint? MacGuffins?

Any comments as to whether the fingerprint actually constitutes an object? Also, after reading the MacGuffin page, I don't think that's an appropriate classification. From MacGuffin: "From the audience's perspective, the MacGuffin is not the point of the story". I would argue that the opposite is true - I think the most intriguing part of the show is learning about new objects and what powers they have. Any thoughts? - Mattingly23 15:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I classified the Objects as macguffins because the story really is about the protagonist finding his daughter, and possibly even the nature of the God and the Universe. If an episode required that he get a "Tea cosy", that could turn soup to salad, he would do so. However if you replace the word "Tea cosy" with "coffee mug" the plot does not change one bit.

If any writers of the show are reading this, I would like to introduce a movement to include a "Tea cosy" that converts soup to salad just for the h-e-double-toothpicks of it. Maybe it was in the closet of the room or something. Or a toilet paper cosy knitted cap thingy, if having a tea cosy in a hotel room is stretching credulity too much.

Or in a more subtle fashion, changing the sought after item may change the superficial plot points, but not the characters and their decisions. For example a father may have a sick daughter and he seeks the "vial of antibodies" meanwhile antagonists try to keep him from the "vial" or want to posses the "vial" for themselves. A story such as this can be re-written so the father seeks the "magic talisman," meanwhile antagonists try to keep him from the "magic talisman" or want to posses the "magic talisman" for themselves. The genre changes from medical thriller to fantasy, the item changes completely making it less/more intriguing, but the motivations of the characters and the overall premise has not changed. This makes "the thing that everyone is after" the Macguffin.

If the crux of the story is fundamentally about "what combination of Objects will solve the puzzle of the missing Fanning girl" the story is weak, but if the story is about a fathers relationship with his daughter, or the nature of God, then we have something to work with, even if The Room is Full of Macguffins. -Dr Haggis - Talk 17:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I had understood a Macguffin to be more along the lines of the "rabbit's foot" in Mission Impossible III or "the process" in The Spanish Prisoner, where what the object is or does is completely unimportant. In The Lost Room, what each object does (and what it is, because this can affect how it is used) is very important and significantly affects the storyline, whereas in these two examples you don't learn what the object does because knowing would not improve the storyline. I guess the definition is broader than I had thought. Any opinion as to whether the fingerprint constitutes an object? - Mattingly23 18:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

The fingerprint is an Object in the sense that it an item in the room that "resets" to the "correct" location along with other objects so is invulnerable to change. A more strict definition would be "Objects with powers" which seem to be the possessions of the Occupant. Which (in my mind) is why the phone, bible, tv, bed sheets, bed, and pillows, and hanger are not powered; they belonged to the hotel. This would make the fingerprint a "key feature of The Room" but not an object. -Dr Haggis - Talk 18:52, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

The objects are MacGuffinese, be not completly MacGuffins. The phone, bible, etc do have powers, they just havn't been shown yet because: A - People don't know to activate them, so they remain "dormant" or B - They havn't been taken out of the room, so they remain inactive. And yeah, fingure print is a feature, it would be the mirror that would be an object. JQF • Talk • Contribs 20:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Letter opener

The letter opener can also be seen in the opening sequence on the show and not just on in the online game.75.21.112.185 19:52, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Revolver

the order has the revolver, which can detect possesors of object by not shooting them ---- i mean why else would she try to shoot him totallycharged

The Glasses suppress combustion, so at that range, a gun would not go off. Is there supposed to be a revolver in the room? -Dr Haggis - Talk 21:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes but Ruber did not tell the order what object he had obtained nor what power it possessed until he was at the house, and how would they test an object besides that, or trying to destroy it.Totallycharged 22:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)Totallycharged totallycharged

Because she recognized the eyeglasses. ~ PHDrillSergeant...§ 23:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

They could probably recognize the eyeglasses. Plus, if the revolver is an object, it wouldn't shoot anyway because the gunpowder would be indestructible, meaning it couldn't combust to begin with.  :X Fllmtlchcb 00:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleaning up the List

I say that we don't include objects that haven't left the room, for instance, the bedding and the clotheshanger. Mainly becuase they aren't (or haven't yet been) a part of the show and are just cluttering up the list without meaning. If anyone objects to this, feel free to say why. I'm going to edit out the following "objects": bedding, clotheshanger, telephone, and television. Fllmtlchcb 00:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Um, isn't that like saying "I'm going to remove the Objects the Order has because they aren't (or haven't yet been) a part of the show"? This is a list of all known Objects, and that should include the ones that haven't (as far as we know) left the room. JQF • Talk • Contribs 01:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Is the list we're trying to compile "a list of all Objects associated with room number 10" or "a list of all Objects as mentions or used in the series"? Kail Ceannai 01:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

In that case, why don't you list the ceiling light, the bed frame, the end table, the mirror, sink, toilet, and all that jazz? It's just kinda redundant. Fllmtlchcb 02:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Unless the bedsheets, pillows, etc., are specifically noted as objects, they should be left out.~ PHDrillSergeant...§ 02:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Like the blanket on the 1961 bed that isn't there in the 'new' Room. ~ PHDrillSergeant...§ 02:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

The blanket was on the list that Jennifer had, so it's a known object. Fllmtlchcb 03:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Polaroids

Are the none-labelled polaroids proven objects? I believe those were taken by the collectors thus they're not objects, while the one that acts as a window is an obejct. Fllmtlchcb 02:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree - unless something extremely unexpected happens in the remaining 20 minutes of the show, they are not objects. --Tim4christ17 ^talk 02:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)