User talk:Oakshade

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Contents 1 Pondok Indah 2 Welcome 3 Millie's Cookies 4 LisaNova 5 RFA Thanks 6 Thanks for your help on Gladys 7 3RR 8 Suite101.com 9 Spanish Gibraltarians 10 Colchester Bus Station 11 Suite101.com AfD 12 Mayfair High School 13 DYK 14 Restoring unsourced material 15 Masts for deletion 16 AFD Request 17 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kodai road 18 Sock puppets 19 Timecop Refuses to Remove Lies 20 Taran Rampersad Deletion 21 Thank you for reporting me as a sockpuppeteer 22 Thanks a lot 23 Afd Discussion B. Biggs on my talk page 24 Barbara Biggs entry 25 Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can

[edit] Pondok Indah

hey, if you can find any info on Pondok Indah, let us know. Thanks --Merbabu 04:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Looking. So far we're ablet to determine it's alot more than a "housing estate," but a section of a city, with even a hospital. --Oakshade 06:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

Hello, Oakshade, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the New contributors' help page, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type {{helpme}} on your user page, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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[edit] Millie's Cookies

You have taken the advert for Millie's Cookies and changed it into an article, and for that I congratulate and thank you. There has obviously been some lively discussion while I stepped away from the computer, but by now we can see something that doesn't look like a marketing pitch but like a short Wikipedia article with potential. Cheers. Ringbark 18:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Appreciate your appreciation! I regret even engaging that user. Wasn't worth the trouble, but improving the article was. --Oakshade 21:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Uncle G is deranged, I think. --72.94.157.52 05:51, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

While I'm not in a position to determine the mental condition of this user, there was something very odd going on with this person. --Oakshade 06:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LisaNova

Hello Oakshade. If you would like, I can email you copies of the LexisNexis archives related to LisaNova (it is good to also search for "Lisa Nova" as some of the reporters have added a blank space between the name). We are not beholden to on-line material, there appears to be several print articles about this person available as well. You can change back the reference formatting if you want, I am still experimenting with that. Yamaguchi先生 10:16, 9 November 2006

Hi Yamaguchi. Thank you for improving the LA Times link/reference formatting (it's better than mine, I certainly won't change it back). I wouldn't mind the LexisNexis archives of the subject. All information on any subject is helpful. Cheers. --Oakshade 15:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RFA Thanks

Thanks!
Thanks for your input on my (nearly recent) Request for adminship, which regretfully achived no consensus, with votes of 68/28/2. I am grateful for the input received, both positive and in opposition, and I'd like to thank you for your participation.
Georgewilliamherbert 05:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your help on Gladys

I'm done with the shell of the article, and your help in formatting is very much appreciated.

I'm going to add details as I go, to include construction techniques and materials lists.

Thanks for the note on the AFD - but it seems something is wrong here - I cant see the actual AFD?

How do I defend this?

Just how you've been doing it. Full disclosure and making your case. It helped with the first one. Some users are passionate about excluding what they consider "non-notable." But that's just it, they consider it that way, not everyone else. --Oakshade 15:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - we'll see if I can keep her from the slaughterhouse--James.lebinski 16:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Good day!

I've been grateful for your assistance and advice on the AFD and appreciate your level-headed additions to the commentary. Just saw that you reverted the unsigned change to the article too, so thanks for that. In that case though I think there may be at least one image that can be remoced as a duplicate, and the source images from the paper could probably be cut too. They were there as a notabiilty bolster from the original AFD - probably an amateur mistake on my part.

Question if you have a moment:

The nom for the AFD made an SPA assertion which I'd like to more formally refute based on his using it as a negative, especially since he should have known it to be false and has not responsed to my requests on his talk page. So the quesiton is: are you aware of a wiki-policy that could help refute this, and can you teach me how to enter the wiki-magic links everybody seems to be able to use?--James.lebinski 20:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

You can refer to my comment in the AfD about WP:SPA, as being SPA is by policy NOT a bad thing. Here's the comment: "...regarding the nom's added comment of this article being created by a SPA - First of all, OH REALLY? Thanks for the news, Woodward or Bernstien! Secondly, I've read WP:SPA and I really can't find any WP policy that prohibits or even dissuades members from solely creating and then focusing on one article. It even states, 'There is, of course, nothing wrong with single purpose accounts.' Of course, you might chose to be more articluate and not as tongue-in-cheek as me. --Oakshade 22:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

Sorry, but I've only made three reverts. I will not be reinserting the sourceless and copyvio material, and I warn you against restoring it now (in which case you will be in violation of the 3RR) or in the future without sources for the text content and express GDFL permission from the copyright holders for the external links to the videos. Simões (^talk/_contribs) 22:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Was never intending on violating 3RR myself, but thanks for the notice. I really have no issue with the youtube links. It was the majority of the article being deleted that's the issue. And I particularly found that deleting the specific as of yet unverified chart positions of the song article Breaking Free that would support Alicia Pan's notability under WP:MUSIC and yet choosing to leave the rest of the equally unverfied chart positions intact, very POV. --Oakshade 22:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I take your point and have further reduced the Breaking Free article. Simões (^talk/_contribs) 22:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Slash n' burn articles, all the way. Under that criteria, almost every charted song article needs heavy deleting. Please start with Limp Bizkit's Rollin' (Air Raid Vehicle). Never did care for that song. Enjoy. --Oakshade 23:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suite101.com

Hi. You deleted the PROD tag from this article, noting in your edit summary, "Contesting prod. Notable and high-profile publishing company."

Could you add some references to support that assertion? Otherwise, I just see this article headed for AfD.

Thanks, --A. B. 04:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I've actually been starting to work on that. When contesting a prod, I usually assume it will go to AfD, but I always try to make changes to satisfy WP:NOTABILITY. Stay tuned. --Oakshade 06:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Oakshade, we have no problems with the link you put on the article. True we'd rather have different facts ;) , but the article is fine. We have had a lot of changes since then, almost no one (neither owners nor employees) from that period is still with the company. Berger peter 22:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Berger peter. I understand and would like to put in more current references. As you might be familiar with the inclusion criteria of Wikipedia, in order to avoid deletion of this article we need to establish notability of this company and one of the primary ways of establishing notability per WP:CORP or WP:WEB is the company being written about by relaible sources. Unofortunately, as un-biased as Suite101.com's articles may be, anything from that company would be considered biased in this case. If you happen to know of actual write-ups of the company, preferebly more recent, please share them (providing a web-link would be even better) and I would be happy to insert them. Do also keep in mind that the article currently appears as an advertisement. It will likely need a re-write to appear non-point of view. Cheers! --Oakshade 23:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Oakshade - there was quite a bit of online and print coverage between 1997-2002 (e.g. "The Globe and Mail" (Canada), Jun 2, 1998 + Jan 14, 1999 - "The Vancouver Sun", Jul 30, 1998 - "The New Zealand Herald", Jul 30, 1998 - "The Weekend (Australia) - Aug 1, 1998 - ZDNet, Netsurf and others (but the links are dead by now)). A few awards were won, including 7 awards in the Canadian Internet Awards 1997 [[1]] (but that is not an independent link). Not a lot of press coverage lately as we are in the process of re-launching. You can definitely give me a call if that helps you, the contact is on our "about us" page. -- Berger peter 19:00, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the leads. I have referenced and even posted on your website before and it seems like a notable and prolific web publishing company, but qualifying it under rather strict WP:Notability standards is proving to be a challenge. I'm off for some family holiday fun for a couple of days and I'll see what I can do when I get back. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is open source and you or anyone are free to make changes or add material, including references, to the aritlce at any time. Cheers! --Oakshade 19:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish Gibraltarians

They are as common as American kings for the reason read This --Gibnews

Interesting document, but as it's more a government decree on the legal status of residents of the location, it doesn't really demonstrate that Spanish people do not exist or have not existed in Gibraltar. I live in California and we have literally over a million "undocumented" people here, mostly from Mexico. While even their legal status as residents might be in question, as its unlikely most will ever be deported, they are generally considered del-facto Latino-Americans, just as the citizens of the southwestern United States were considered when it took over the land from Mexico in the late 1840's. --Oakshade 23:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

BTW, some view Bill Gates as an American king. --Oakshade 23:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

There is still a debate going on on this issue. The article was deleted, undeleted and deleted again (without the adequate consensus). Could you please give your opinion here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2006_December_4

Thanks alot.--Burgas00 15:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Colchester Bus Station

Glad we stopped that train of argument. We were even getting a little WP:POKEMON. Cheers! --Oakshade 05:42, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Sorry, for being so curt. A diet coke binge has kept me up all night (it just turned 6am here) and starting pointless arguments in AfD discussions seems to be symptom. *twitches* -- IslaySolomon | talk 06:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suite101.com AfD

An article that you have been involved in editing, Suite101.com, has been listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suite101.com. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in whether it should be deleted. Thank you. --A. B. 22:27, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your work to date on this article. I've gone ahead and nominated for deletion, but if something notable and reliable turns up, I'm happy to change my stance. --A. B. 22:27, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. As the company president indicated above, they are doing a re-launch. Maybe they'll get some notable press then and the article can be re-introduced. As of now, it's a tough one. --Oakshade 03:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mayfair High School

I had typed up my own response and hit an edit conflict with your edit. While my edit was a near overlap with yours, it sounds much better coming from someone else. Your support of these standards makes fighting these AfDs so much more productive. Thanks again for your support! I'm sure we'll meet again in future school AfDs. Alansohn 06:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

oh, heh. Didn't mean to inturrupt your response. Sorry 'bout that. I was quite amazed by that user's comment and was wondering what color the sky was on his plannet. (Gender-specified because the user indentified themself as male on user page). --Oakshade 06:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On November 26, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Slippery rail, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• Excellent! Thanks for letting me know and inflating my ego! --Oakshade 00:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Restoring unsourced material

I recall going through this with you before, but please do not restore unsourced content to an article without giving it a reliable source (such as what you did at Carlsbad grimple). Additionally, (though this has also been pointed out before), policies and guidelines such was WP:V, WP:CITE, and WP:RS are not suspended while an article is undergoing an AFD discussion. Simões (^talk/_contribs) 08:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I consider the Urband Dictionary a reliable source. But thanks for the opinion. --Oakshade 16:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Masts for deletion

Hello. As the closing admin, I'm notifying the most active contributors to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/University of North Carolina Tower Chapel Hill, which has now been closed, in case they want to take any action about it. Best, Sandstein 12:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AFD Request

Hi there,

You seem to know something about the media business. Would you mind weighing in on this discussion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bryan_Brandenburg

Seems notable enough.

Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stanlys212 (talk • contribs) 23:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kodai road

I thought you might want to express your opinion on this AfD? Tubezone 20:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Kodaikanal is about 2 hour's drive from the Kodai Road station, see Kodaikanal and its talk page. Tubezone 23:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Excellent research! Thanks! --Oakshade 00:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sock puppets

You mistakenly added something which has nothing to do with User:Mrpainkiller7 to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Mrpainkiller7. Just FYI. Your report needs to go on its own subpage. --Neurophyre^(talk) 05:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh dear. I though tagging it at the end of the sock puppet page was procedure. Sorry 'bout that. --Oakshade 05:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Timecop Refuses to Remove Lies

Hello. Tony Pierce here again. I know ... *groan*. I appreciate the help that you gave me last night, so I was hoping for just one more bit of advice. In the comment where timecop posted my resume, which was later removed (thank you so much for your help on that), a libelous lie still remains, that I haven't held a job for more than a year. Although I'd normally chalk that one up to "whatevs" I got an email today from a friend who followed the Digg link to the story and then to the discussion and said "you haven't had a job for more than a year?" Unfortunately I can't have those sorts of blatant lies being linked (indirectly) from Digg. So I wrote on timecop's talk page, explained the situation and he refuses to take that lie down, or the less important, but still just as false lie that I call myself the Blogfather. I invited him to go to my links page type "blogfather" into the search box in the middle and click the radio button that says tonypierce.com but he refused to even though every time i mention "blogfather" I either correct people who call me that or say that the real Blogfather is the deplorable (politically - my opinion) Instapundit.

I never asked to be on Wikipedia. I never asked for this drama on this weird AfD, and now a front page Digg article is two clicks away from some bs that I cant hold down a job and that I think of myself as some blogfather. I am a professional blogger, what is said about me online actually affects my livelihood. Anyways, I said all of this on this person's talk page, because it looks like they were the one who removed the link to my resume (which clearly states that I have held several jobs for more than one year - it was just a super crappilly-formated resume ugh). But I have no idea if that's the correct person to ask.

Finally, doesn't Wikipedia have a rule against lying about people and keeping the lie up there after being informed and proved-to that it's a lie? Certainly there must be something. Although I've gotten a fair amount of press in the past, never have I had flat out lies about my employment history floated out on the web, let alone indirectly linked to by something as powerful as Digg, which is why at this point I feel like this should be rectified immediately.

I thank you again for your time and effort, and since I am supposedly on vacation with my family, would you mind replying to this here since my IP changes every time my computer shuts down. thanks.

I left a comment about this on User talk:MONGO's page. The responded that they'll lock the AfD page once the AfD is done (I think 5 days from the start of the AfD is procedure). Although I'm not an administrator, I'll ensure this is done.

In the AfD, I commented on the lie under the user's comment. As for requesting this user to remove the wrong information, that likely won't get anywhere as that user and his minions have a history of proudly causing trouble and has been blocked in the past.

I'm sorry that you're having this trouble. Unfortunately you're learning first hand of two aspects of the dark side of Wikipedia; Indiscriminate deletionism and trolling. Do keep in mind we're not all like that, although sometimes it feels like us earthlings are in the minority. --Oakshade 07:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your quick help. It's weird that Wikipedia would allow such bizarre behavior. I am all for freedom, so I can respect keeping troublemaking editors, but to also allow the deletion of entries because of the field that some of us are in goes against that very same freedom. With people like you and many of the others who I've read - including those who have voted against me - I trust that Wikipedia will iron out its problems. Nothing's perfect. Nowhere is idyllic. But for as young as Wikipedia is, it's way ahead of the game. Again, much thanks. 75.200.116.69 08:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taran Rampersad Deletion

I spent a few moments today on my User:TaranRampersad user page and made the Taran Rampersad article more informative. I don't care whether the page is deleted or not, but I would like to see it deleted for the right reasons - not for lack of effort which was a few minutes in Google. . Feel free to take a look and comment. I am *not* participating in the debate of the deletion of the biographical stub. --TaranRampersad 18:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for reporting me as a sockpuppeteer

Unfortunatley for you I never registered and/or used sockpuppets, but I'm happy you requested a check on me because the result of the check will show some admins how pretextual your "evidences" are. And those are the same admins that will vote on your next RfA. - Femmina 12:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

It appears the "pretextual evidence" was quite accurate. But don't worry, never intended on making a RfA. BTW, Butholer? lol! --Oakshade 02:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, I see upon even further review at they've detemined at least one is different person. The review was valid still. --Oakshade 07:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Binsk2 has been blocked for a suspicious edit pattern. Jaydjenkins is clear. Butholer simply wasn't me. Please read the results of the check again. --Femmina 08:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Too bad, Butholer was pretty funny. --Oakshade 16:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks a lot

Dear Oakshade... Thank you very much for taking interest in my page and oposing deletion. (though you change your vote from Keep to Neutral but I respect you and your thoughts.) Unfortunately I am not a notable person, so that page should be deleted. Anyways thank you. Mubashirzaidi 5:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Afd Discussion B. Biggs on my talk page

Please refer to my talk page as I have updated it. Alan.ca 08:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barbara Biggs entry

Hi Oakshade, Thanks for your support over my entry. It seems there's strong opposition to me doing anything with the entry, even, apparently, fixing up the concerns posted about citations etc. Since you had such a strong keep recommendation, I wondered if you'd consider getting into a neutral format. If you need a citation, you could ask. I know most of the articles written about me. If not, is there a place where I can place a request for someone who doesn't know me to fix it? Thanks Barbbiggs 14:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Ms. Biggs. This AfD (an AfD, standing for "Articles for Deletion", by the way, is the proposed deletion process your article is currently going through) is confusing as deletion almost always occurs for "notability" reasons.. That is to say people who'd prefer to delete an article feel the subject doesn't satisfy the increasingly strict notability guidelines. Since the article is about a person, WP:BIO generally applies. What is clear is that the subject of you (what a strange phrase to type) is well beyond the Wikipedia threshold of notability and should be included. That is what the subject of AfDs are usually focused on, but in this case an editor is focusing on conflict of interest.

Sometimes articles have major issues with conflict of interest (you can read the official guideline regarding this here). Frequently people will write something that isn't perfectly accurate, but it suits that writer's interest. That's why Wikipedia discourages people to write articles about themselves; they run the risk of appearing biased towards the positive virtues of the subject without an objective point of view. Of course, it's not impossible for writers to write about themselves without the article looking like a vanity piece. I was recently involved in an AfD for author Kim Ponders who initiated her own article. Upon some research I found that there were several non-trivial works were about her, a primary barometer for inclusion, plus the fact the article wasn't written like a blatant vanity job, it was decided that the article should be kept. You can read that AfD here.

In the Barbara Biggs article case, we had an editor who felt that because of the conflict of interest issue, the article should've been deleted outright. I disagree with that as I feel that an AfD should primarily deal with the subject of inclusion worthiness and then afterwards deal with any conflict of interest in the article content. Right now I'm looking at the article and asking myself, "If an independent writer wrote this, would it look much different." I have to say no. It's quite innocuous, actually. I'm doing some clean-up, but it looks okay.

I honestly think this article will survive. If by any chance it doesn't, I'm seriously considering recreating it and writing in my own words as you are clearly a notable subject that would make this website better if there's an article about you. Since it would be written by someone who's not the writer and has no connection to them, there won't be a conflict of interest issue. Take care. E --Oakshade 22:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Oakshade. Your kind offer is much appreciated. Let's hope it won't be needed, but if so, let me know. I'll send you a book as thanks! Barbbiggs 22:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can