Talk:Nymphet

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This article has been kept following this VFD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:36, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Definition

I clarified the definition. A nymphet is not just "a young adolescent girl", but specifically a young adolescent girl being viewed in a sexual manner. The background information on its origin from the protagonist of Lolita helps provide more context on the nature of the term. --4.246.3.43 04:12, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of actors

Why did whoever did it take off the faunlets in culture and nymphets in culture?? That would be like deleting all the sex symbols on the page of sex symbols. Get real.

I've just redeleted the list. If references are provided showing a third party calling these people "nymphs" (possible) or "faunlets" (fat chance) then it can be replaced, otherwise it's original research and is not allowed according to the verification policy.
brenneman{L} 00:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not the one who REposted the list, all I did was alphabetise it, I didn't even add any names to it. All of the girls who were on the nymphet list are regarded by many people as sexuallly attractive adolescents. All of the boys were on the faunlet list are likewise regarded by many people as sexually attractive adolescents. But whatever. It's like taking all the sex symbols and deleting them.

Many of the young women and men who assembled the "faunlet" and "nymphet" lists are also on the sex symbols list on this site.Lingonberry 22:56, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

First let me apologise if my bolding of "re" seemed personal, it was not intended as such. The question is, do we have even a single instance where these people are referred to by this name as that is what is required to meet our fundemental policy on unbiased inclusion.
brenneman{L} 23:17, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I've got one: most of the faunlets and nymphets mentioned are on amiannoying.com's lists of Lolitas and faunlets. Most of the nymphets that were mentioned have/had many websites devoted to their "jailbait sexiness." Most of the faunlets are just generally considered faunlets because they're considered especially sexually attractive for their ages.
  • Urk. I can't explain this any more clearly "just generally considered" isn't the criterion. I'm unable to see amiannoying as a reliable source by any stretch. The guidelines about verification, citation, and sources all explain this more eloquently than I do.
    brenneman{L} 05:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I swear I'm not trying to be disagreeable. But none of the sex symbols are cited, they're all "generally considered" too. On the VFD debate page, one person says that the list of actors/musicians isn't POV since it fits the definition of what a nymphet/faunlet is, and I agree, just like all the sex symbols fit the definition of what a sex symbol is.


Having looked at the list in the history page, i can only say that the list of nymphets was clearly deeply based on personal taste, and lack of real understanding of the subject, as the only one i saw that would have any relation to the word Nymphet would be Natalie Portman. I personally consider both Dominique Swain and Sue Lyon as complete miscasts in relation to the descriptions made in Nabokov's book.

And then, when looking at the list and finding a whole bunch of blond American actresses and models, i find myself wondering personally how anyone creating a list of media nymphets can forget one of the most important media icons in Europe who found herself at the core of the subject with her hit song Moi... Lolita, Alizée.

Why wasn't Alizée on the list? Because in my opinion there was absolutely no valid excuse for that.Frits van Houten 13:32, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Because no verifiable source claims her to be. If you were to add it, it would constitute as original research and hence that edit cannot be accepted. Same reasoning goes to why her photo cannot be used in this article, as even if not explicitly stated, it means she is be attributed as a Nymphet. --soUmyaSch 18:07, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


Well in that case, no photograph can be accepted. Alizée's first single is titled "Moi Lolita" . She has been called Lolita de la France. She has been named nymphet in various international articles. Alizée did not pose as THE Lolita, but as A Lolita.

If Alizée is not allowed to be representing an example of a nymphet, then who does? Before i made a few edits here, there was a poster of a film wich had absolutely no real reference to the subject other then a vaguely related story.

I agree ofcourse that relating one girl to this subject is not objective. Therefore i suggest no photopraphy at all. Frits van Houten 20:58, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

yep, i agree to your last statement. Thats why I removed the pic. --soUmyaSch 18:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I considered this page quite crucial in my research for my postgrad MA. And the list of possible 'nymphs in culture,' although subjective did allow for an understanding of what may be perceived as a 'lolita'figure. This was important as I was discussing objectification and perversion. In short I understand that pics should be discouraged but I do not agree with any information being censored, just because it may offend some sensibilities. None of the comments or descriptions were sexual and merely indicated a general perception. I suggest we re-re-include the list on the basis that it allows us to gauge how these people are 'perceived' even if we in general do not.

The list was not crucial. It was filled with your averige women that held no relation to the term nymphet. Nabokov's Lolita is basically the only source as to the concept of nymphets, and it is quite critical about what is and what isn't a nymphet. Suggesting that Natalie Portman was a nymphet in "The Professional" would show that you know where to look for when searching for media-Nymphets. Not including Alizée showed a great serious lack of understanding where to look. It is not personal opinion to suggest them, as anyone who has read Nabokov's book can see that the looks for Natalie in "The professional" and Alizée in Moi... Lolita were based on the descriptions made by Humbert in Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita. Frits van Houten 14:08, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Not all sex symbols look alike, and as such, not all nymphets look alike, either. Humbert's descriptions of a nymphet were his preferences in a nymphet, not really a generalized the description; the dictionary definition is "a pubescent female considered sexually attractive," and the young women on that list all fell under that definition.

[edit] Unrelated information.

I removed the bit about child sexuality, since it doesn't have any real connection to the term "nymphet", and is basically a topic on it's own, and the same goes for the Police song and the movie picture.

I also changed the first line wich said that nymphets are prepubecent girls. This information is incorrect, as when reading Nabokov, it is stated by Humbert that Nymphets are girls in the early days of puberty, roughly around the ages 11 to 14.

Prepubecent makes it sound as if nymphets are undeveloped children, and that just is not the case. The whole foundation of the concept and Nabokov's story, is that a nymphet is not a child and not an adult.

[edit] Unecessary censorship.

This page is constantly being reduced, instead of being expanded and discussed. This subject however disturbing to some of greater sensitivity, is an important aspect of understanding, not just Nabokov's book but also a huge slice of Japanese culture and also an underlying aspect of sexuality. I understand we must only include info relating directly to the term 'Nymphet' but the information deleted was in no way detrimental to the article and gave the subject and definition greater depth. Please lets make this Wiki better, not subject censorship. R3X.

The whole article about child sexuality was removed not because of cencorship, but because it holds no relation to the term 'Nymphet', and is an entire different topic on it's own.The awnser is quite simple: Puberty.

Nymphets are girls in the early days of puberty. Nymphets are not children. While they certainly are not adults yet, they are not children in the sense that their sexual behaviour is directly related to puberty. This is why the topic of child sexuality holds no relation to the topic of nymphets, as the concept of child sexuality is based on sexual behaviour BEFORE the onset of puberty, and is therefore not related to this topic. - Frits van Houten 13:40 31, May

That is fair enough, but I reiterate we should try and expand this wiki to incorporate other interpretations of the nymphet in subsequent works or films as long as they are DIRECTLY related to the term nymphet. Ihave begun to research this and I am sure we can find external sources to link to or at least quote that have used this term in this context.... R3X.

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