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[edit] Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Use_of_vernacular_scripts_in_India_bio_articles

interesting discussion --D-Boy 07:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

yeah, right. mighty interesting. - Aditya Kabir 16:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kilometers are not "kms"

Time for the periodic reminder to use proper symbols. When is somebody involved in the WikiProject:India going to take some responsibility and fix these to "km", the proper symbol? Why are India-related articles such frequent violators of the rules in this regard in the first place? Also, meters are "m" not "mtr", and the symbols are case sensitive too (i.e., "KM" is just as incorrect as "kms"). Gene Nygaard 01:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

It is also metre, not meter, right? --Ragib 01:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Not when I replace "mtr". Gene Nygaard 07:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
It's not the responsibility of this Wikiproject to fixt it. If we see it, we fix it. The nature of wikipedia allows anyone to fix it. Unless ofcourse, you can request someone with a bot to run through all the pages and having it fixed. =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
It is the people on this project who are looking at these articles all the time, but not seeing the problem. Why? If you are aware of the problem you will be more likely to actually see it when you look at it. Furthermore, when there is systemic error involving the articles of interest to a project, that is exactly the sort of thiing a project ought to interested in remedying. And this "anybody" is getting damn tired of fixing it, having done hundreds of them in the past. It also isn't the sort of thing that lends itself well to being fixed by a bot, because of legitimate uses of KGS and because many people also do not follow the rules about putting a space before the unit symbols, and the articles needing fixing are not easily identified and collected in a list for the bot to work on.
Another fairly common problem on some India-related articles is a near-total lack of spacing between sentences, after commas, and so forth. Or spaces in front of the comma rather than behind it. Gene Nygaard 07:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Well Gene, nobody is going to take the responsibility of fixing MoS edits in a hurry. We have a shortage of editors in relation to the collossal number of articles under this umbrella. Asking one to manually go through tens of thousands of articles and then keep track of all is well... pointless, since there are more pressing issues at hand. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Sometimes you just need to get your priorities in order. A sprinkling of "kms" in an otherwise well-written article will make it look sloppy and unprofessional. And a dozen well-written articles won't undo the damage done by one of the badly written ones which in addition to "kms" don't even make the most minimal effort at using conventional English punctuation and spelling. Gene Nygaard 01:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Are there any featured or good articles that do not follow the MoS? =Nichalp «Talk»= 03:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Are there any featured or good articles under the WikiProject India umbrella? Should take a whole lot of time to look through them.
But does it matter? Like I said, a dozen of them won't undo the damage to the reputation of this project caused by one lousy article.
And yes, by the way. I did find one such India-related article. Didn't see a problem with kilometers in that article. But what is the symbol for a watt-hour? Follow the link and figure it out. Then check out the Delhi article.
Of course, like so many India articles, Delhi did also have "kms" at one time; some were removed in this edit, for example. Gene Nygaard 04:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I've been wasting far too much time on these problem articles. From here on out, they're jsut getting copyedit and cleanup tags and whatever else is appropriate. Maybe when half the India-related articles have them, somebody will notice and do something about the pervasive, systematic problems. Gene Nygaard 19:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] template logo revisited

First of all let me put this straight that I have been trying extremely hard to restrain my feelings about certain editors and admins and their obviously biased actions. There is a certain editor who insists adding devangari to every imaginable article related to Pakistan and its culture and tries to Indianize articles as much as he can. Another takes refuge in personal attacks against me and my country. One flag-carrier is just an out-of-control teenager. A couple of admins are clearly taking sides with Indian bunch violating all values on which Wikipedia boasts about itself. Not even once D-Boy has been warned against his aggressive behavior against me and Pakistan-related articles. This is a shame.

Talking about template logo, the word India in today's world refers to Republic of India and calling the entire South Asia, India or Indian sub-continent is also indirect territorial claim as if the entire region is actually part of Republic of India; just temporarily separated. Term of South Asia not only covers all historical sites and personalities of both India and Pakistan but also is a neutral reference to the region. Current WP India tag is still based on POV and is no way neutral with the word of India both in the name and text, and with the Ashoka Chakra which refers to Hidnuism. WikiProject India should be restricted to Republic of India only. Szhaider 10:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Without getting into specifics about users, I want to ask you, have you seen the discussions above? Do you know of the new parameter that sets pre=Yes (for pre 1947 articles)? Please go through the discussions. — Lost(talk) 11:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I have read them with detail and I am aware of the new proposel. But still Bakaman is adding tags with indian flag. I still insist on the usage of {{WP SouthAsia}} and if you insist on using {{WP India}}, Ashoka Chakra should be removed from it. It is a reference to Hinduism (which is not always valid) and a refernce to Republic of India. Indian flag and Ashoka Chakra are acceptable only for those historical sites which are situated in present day india. Szhaider 11:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
All you need to do is add pre=Yes to the pre 1947 articles and the flag will be substituted by an image of the Indian subcontinent. Regarding Ashoka Chakra, Ashoka's empire spread through India and Pakistan long before either of the republics came into being. Please understand that this is not an attempt to usurp land from a country. We are merely a group of editors trying to bring more visibility to articles on Wikipedia. — Lost(talk) 11:41, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
(My 2 cents). Present day India, Pakistan and Bangladesh have a common history before 1947. The region was collectively known as India. This is similar to People's Republic of China and Republic of China being together in history and collectively called China. Note that the word India, when referred to pre-1947 period refers to a region in South Asia comprising of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, and excluding Sri Lanka and Myanmar. Historically, the region India has had a separate history from Sri Lanka and Myanmar and there is hardly anything common to them. Thus pre-1947 India and South Asia are not equivalent. I doubt if anyone would confuse the pre-1947 India with just the region of present day India, and I believe that this is well known fact throughout the world. If someone wants to club them, there is no problem, but I am unable to understand why there is a problem if the coherent history of India is being taken care of by a workgroup. Even more, I am unable to understand why are people getting panicked by addition of talk page templates on articles. Addition of templates do not give any more right to Indians in editing articles than those from Pakistan. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 12:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject south Asia is doomed from the start as, if you remove India, no two other countries share anything common that merits that. Wikiproject South Asia is more divisive than collaborative. Secondly have you read my #Comments above? Please read it. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

South Asia is merely fantasy. WP India is good enough.Bakaman 17:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Ashoka might be one of many kings from history. As someone else has previously noticed that refernce to any single emipre or dynasty is not justified and doesn't refer to entire history of the region. Moreover, Ashoka might be a hero or something for Indians but he has no significance for other countries of the region and he seems like more of a religious figure from a certain era. His symbol should be removed if you want to call the tag neutral (even to some extent). For those areas which are in Republic of Inida post-1947 Indian Flag and Ashok Chakra is fine with me. Any tag for pre-1947 should say Subcontinent, or Indian Subcontinent not just India. Szhaider 01:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
He has significance in Sri Lanka, Nepal, and Bhutan as well. Wiki does not operate to "fine by me" whims it merely documents verifiable information. India was unified under Ashoka Maurya. Sadly the area known as the "Indian subcontinent" was referred to "India" unanimously back before 47, this is obvious (refer to Ibn Battuta, Zheng He, Vasco Da Gama, Alexander, etc.). Nearly every historical figure in India has some religious significance. Entire history of the region? Its because of Ashoka that Buddhism grew in India, spread to Sri Lanka, and went on its eastward path of compassion. Ashoka is probably one of the best figures to place there. Bakaman 02:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I think the template changes are neutral enough. I don't think the templates needs any more changes. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 04:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree. Szhaider, please read my comment above too. =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Entire history of subcontinent cannot be attributed to just one person only based on his reign's expansion. Many would argue about importamce of many other kings of the region. Whatever he did he wasn't the only king of the region. His symbol on the tag is NPOV violation and should be removed. If we were to follow this example Mughal King Akbar can be another candidate. What about Babur, the beginner of Mughal empire's dynasty and one of the most famous kings of the region? Szhaider 13:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I got no problem with Akbar, neither does anyone else. While we're at it lets argue over whether to put Suramphaa, Ching-Thang Khomba, Arjuna, Tipu Sultan or any other Category:Indian monarch. Consensus seems to want to keep ashoka, since he was one of the few kings of a unified India, and for what he represents. Babur's kingdom was marked by war and bloodshed. Indians feel that we want to have a less controversial figure, one that represents concepts more innately "Indian" than rampant warmongering. In conclusion Babur represents India about as much as Chitsai.Bakaman 02:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Babur wasn't even Indian or pakistani. He was from uzbekistan!--D-Boy 03:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SITE

Suggestions needed for Satellite Instructional Television Experiment. Please add your suggestions at the peer review. Thanks. - Aksi_great (talk) 20:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copied from [Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar/Evidence]

[edit] 12/4/06 - Indian Buddhist Revival and Kherlanji Massacre

As much as I'd love to do battle with Hkelkar and his fellow editors, I have a job and have to work.


This is the way the article Indian Buddhist Revival (now redirected, with no request for input, to a page called Dalit Buddhist Movement)looks today:[[1]]. The page history (briefly interrupted by an editor who futily tries to protest named Pkulkani)is here:[[2]].


The Kherlanji Massacre (which, believe me, is truly horrific by any human standard) looks like this [[3]]. This is it's page history:[[4]].


Hkelkar is working in concert with an Editor named Ambroodey, who was apparently called out of retirement by an editor named Dangerous Boy (or D-Boy). It appears I have a new "friend". NinaEliza 02:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


I can't BEGIN to enumerate the various flaws in both these articles, but here's just one example. The repeated rapes of these women is not "alleged", it's a fact. The murders (followed by the public parade of their bodies) are not an "alleged" crime.
By all accounts India is a Country brimming full with excellent examples of culture, architecture, botany, art, religious icons, as well as a phenomenally rich history. Furthermore, I assert that it's a Country fair to bursting with incredibly smart and compassionate people. But unless something happened that I'm not aware of recently, The great Nation of India still considers rapes and murders to be crimes.
You've simply let this go on to long. I appreciate that everyone is busy doing other things, or perhaps you sincerely did not know. But you must, must, start dealing with this. I'm copying the Hinduism project and the Indian Caste System project as well. I'm also copying my own project. I know there's wonderful editors here, and wonderful people. I'm showing my hand, and asking for help.

NinaEliza 04:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I know that these articles weren't part of WikiProject India, and I know that Hkelkar was never a member. I apologize for sounding so shrill, and for bringing up a painful subject. But now that you're aware of what's going on, I would dearly appreciate it if you take these articles into your care. Thank you.

NinaEliza 04:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Well holey shmoley. In a rare fit of blindness or dyslexia, I read the text wrong. It doesn't say "alleged" before the word crime, it says the word "alleged" before the word criminal, as it should. I usually think a bit more before I act. The Indian Buddhist Movement isn't so bad, but the new title is highly inaccurate. It really should be titled Neo-Buddhism, per Wikipedia guidelines on drawing the most number of readers to a page. Everything else still stands, and more.NinaEliza 05:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, since NinaEliza has been trolling many a talk page with this little essay, I will post my humble response:
There are so many wikipedia WP:NPOV violations in the post above that it truly boggles the mind. Look at the following NEWS SOURCE (remember that little annoyance, sources? Remember those little things called news sites? FYI, they're very reliable) that states the rapes as "alleged" (exact words)[5]:

Two of them - Surekha and Priyanka were allegedly raped before they were killed.

See that? Allegedly. Ever hear of edits reflecting sources?Might want to read up on some wikipedia policies. Whether the Kherlanji crimes were atrocious, brutal or a Sunday afternoon barbecue is beside the point. We must adhere to NPOV. If articles on the holocaust (at least 6 million dead, and that's just us Jews) can be written in a neutral narrative why the hell not this? We are editors, not politicians. We should not use loaded words and distort the known facts unless we are certain that the sources reflect them. Memorize that please. Hkelkar 06:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
And yes, the title "Dalit Buddhist Movement" is entirely appropriate since the Neo-Buddhist Ambedkarites are almost exclusively Dalits. There are many dimensions to Indian Buddhism, of which this is but one. To label this minor cult the "Indian Buddhist revival" would be a grave injustice to the other Buddhist movements in India that are not connected to the Ambedkarites. Wikipedia is not a soapbox for Neo-Buddhist propaganda, conflating the broader Indian Buddhist movement with this scientologyesque cult.Hkelkar 07:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Nina,

If you have problems with my edits, dicuss them with me. Its no use sniping on random project talk pages...

अमेय आर्यन DaBrood© 16:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

AMbroodEY, you are entirely correct. Furthermore, I would like to humbly apologize for my awful and outrageous remarks. Anyone who has read this simply must know that I am deeply ashamed at the numerous wrongs I committed with the posts I made. There are so many, I can't even begin.
I trolled, basically. I didn't intend to, but I did. I've ruined the talk page of a wonderful project in the most foul, grotesque way. Even if my posts were forever deleted (which they can't be, I know), the hurt I may have caused so many excellent editors and people who come across these pages is almost unbearable to me.
Please find it in your heart to forgive me. I am here to learn and help you in whatever way I can.
Sincerely, NinaEliza 22:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Are you a sock puppet?--D-Boy 23:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] India specific plugin for tagging

Kingboyk and Reedy Boy have kindly developed a plugin for WP:India which makes it very easy for LostBot and Ganeshbot to tag specific workgroup related articles. LostBot is now tagging articles in Category:Politics of India and its subcats. Please keep an eye on the edits and let me know if irrelevant articles get tagged in large quantities. That may mean that a wrong category is being tagged. Thanks — Lost(talk) 15:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] South Korea-India relations

There was a request for the South Korea-India relations article in WikiProject Korea's to create list. Could anybody from WikiProject India evaluate the article for neutrality, grammar, factual consistency? Thanks. (Wikimachine 04:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC))

This article might be useful Carved in stone: Historic India-Korea links discovered, from a historical perspective. =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. (Wikimachine 23:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Buddhism in modern India-related sockpuppetry

Please see this post on ANI by Dmcdevit. I have blocked all the sock-accounts and Pkulkarni as the sockmaster (the latter for a month as it is a first time offence). - Aksi_great (talk) 11:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stub proposal

See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/2006/December#.7B.7BSikh-bio-stub.7D.7D.2C_Category:Sikh_religious_figures. Bakaman 01:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mile sur mera tumhara

Could someone come up with suitable categories for Mile sur mera tumhara, before our anonymous friend breaks a limb reverting? :) Achitnis 10:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Done. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move of Duars to Dooars

Pls give your comments for the moving of the page Duars to Dooars at Talk:Duars. Amartyabag 11:40, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article in need of attention

Hello,

I was on RC Patrol last night and I ran across the article Hereditary Education Policy. This article seems heavily POV and an anon was trying to clean it up. I ended up reverting him because he took out huge chunks of the article. However, the article is definitely in need of an overhaul and cleanup from somebody who is knowledgable on the subject. Anything you guys can do to help? – Lantoka (talk) 21:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Lantoka, if an article talk of a Governemnt Policy, it must refer to that particular government policy prefereably giving exact words of the government order, government cabinet decisions and so forth. All this article gives is political propoganda of the opponents of the Chief Minister of the government Mr C Rajagopalachari. There are 8 biographies of this gentleman and none of the refer to this particular policy which is called as 'Kula Kalvi Thittam' . If the writer of the article does not produce those references , I would request the Admins to remove the article as not confirming to Wiki standards of objectivity. Also, an outright abuse of Wiki is to post references which have nothing to do with the subject in question. Reference No 1 is the onesided presentation of this 'policy', if such a thing existed. References 2 to 8 and the external link have nothing to with the subject of the article. Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 161.12.7.4 (talk • contribs).


This is with reference to Hereditary_Education_Policy.Now the Tamil Nadu government website http://www.tn.gov.in/gorders/sed/default.htm has details only from 1997 .http://www.tn.gov.in/government.htm .There is no information relating to legislation prior to the Computer era before 1990 in the Tamil Nadu government site this includes all legislation not just the 'Kula Kalvi Thittam' .This is true worldwide.Old legislations prior to the computer/internet era before 1985 are not easily available on the internet in most of the 200 nations will take years and cost millions to secure them and no encyclopedia does that Further Ref 2,6,7,8 do mention 'Kula Kalvi Thittam' in the page 5 brahmin domination and 3 7 4 about the Varna system .I would all including who vandalised the page 3 here to do bring out points about as Harlowraman pointed out Positive Editing bring out points about the Rajaji's educational reforms between 1952-54 rather than negative editing blanking or deleting data.Tametiger (talk

to Tametiger: That is a lame excuse, tametiger. We are not talking of what Rajaji 'felt' ; we are talking of Government policies; all the Government orders are issued by Gazette , known to the public and publsihed in newspapers. All biographical and well-researched books refer to Government orders with date of issue, serial number and the contents. You must give reference to such books or contemporary newspaper articles which refer to the alledged government orders. Why do you give reference only to dodgy internet sites. If you cannot refer to Government orders and decisions, I think you are merely indulging in fantasies. Wiki is not a place for indulging in your fantasies. It is upto the authour of the article to support his/her points. You write "all government documents,Cabinet decisions of all policies taken prior to the Computer/internet era are not available online". This is a lame excuse not to provide documentary evidence, which means this is merely a propaganda. If you cannot refer to books or original newspaper reports of the government orders and government decisions, this article should be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 161.12.7.4 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Does any Know abut Actor Sai Kumar

Hello every buddy,few years back i saw movie with Name "Agni" by actor Sai Kumar,does any one know abut him? i mean if any one having his pic? or details.i love to read abut him,i tryed much to look for him on net but could not,if any one can help me. in this regard.

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[edit] Move Bangalore to Bengaluru

The name change has been effected and the article must be moved. 155.69.5.234 20:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

No, it certainly should not be moved. The requested move has failed. Gene Nygaard 04:50, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
It will be moved later. Please see [6]. Sumanth 10:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
It better not be, because that is not in accordance with proper Wikpedia procedure. Bangalore had a requested move listed at Wikipedia:Requested moves. It clearly failed, though it was not closed. Gene Nygaard 14:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Note specifically that the link provided by Sumanth was not a Wikipedia:Requested moves discussion, even though it as been misleadlingly formatted as though it were. Gene Nygaard 14:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Under 'Project Organisation' in project page, where do 'dance' articles belong?

We only have cinema and literature under 'Arts'. I believe we should have a category for Indian arts (as in paintings, drawings) and dance. If not, how do we draw attention (for peer review, for connecting articles to contributors interested in the visual and performing arts) to the numerous Indian dance articles, for example? Just wondering. Cheers, AppleJuggler 13:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the proposal =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article in need of attention Periyar

This page is clearly getting vandalised.I reverted it again today after there was mass deletion

1:Only 1 name needs to be used either Periyar or EVR not 2 creates confusion to readers particularly foriegners.Periyar is how he is known.He is refered as Periyar in Tamil Nadu Government.[1] University is called Periyar Universityn named after him[2] The Tamil Nadu Government refers to him as Periyar.One can verify it from the Tamil Nadu government Website http://www.tn.gov.in/pressrelease/archives/pr2004/pr170904/pr170904.htm http://www.tn.gov.in and not as EVR.


2: Periyar being likened to Hitler is potentially libellous as Hitler was responsible for millions of deaths whereas Periyar was not guilty of even one.Further no evidence or citation is given this comment.Periyar turned the offer to become the head of the Madras Presidency in 1939 after the Congress quit but he turned it down now to compare Hitler is wrong.

3:Brahmins:comments like The population of Brahmins in Tamil Nadu, which was about 10% in the 1920s, is today less than 3% as a result of persecution by EVR and his followers are strange as not even a Single Brahmin has been killed in the entire Dravidan movement. Further Rajaji,Jayalaitha and Janaki who were Chief Minsiters were Brahmins and ruled Tamil Nadu longer than any other single community and these statements are not backed by citations or evidence which are required.Jayalalitha is the head of a Dravidan Party

4: And the wording should be encyclopedic none emotional and contraversial lines like Within a span of 20 years, the Brahmins of Tamil Nadu, who had been living there for more than 2000 years, were turned into alien immigrants by the DK's propaganda. The speeches called for the elimination of Brahmins from Tamil Nadu, and the enslavement of Brahmin women. The speeches harkened back to an ancient Tamil glory, similar to Hitler's revival of ancient Germanic culture are not abcked by citations or Evidence

5:Further some blanked His Childhood and Education

Please help.Thanks Harlowraman

a.It is a pity the childhood and education section is blank. b. His name was E.V.Ramasami Naicker and periyar is the title given by his idolizing followers. Hence wherever possible E.V.Ramasami Naicker or EVR should be used. Wiki is not the place for personality cult and everyone should be known by their ordinary names. 3.Because he was a controversial character, there should be some reference to a different POV. This article is not neutral at all, since it gives the POV of his admirers only. 4. Whatever pint is made should be backed up with preferably a neutral report. Statements like He went on a pilgrimage to Varanasi to worship in the famous Siva temple. But discrimination against non-brahmins made him think rationally. He was prevented from eating in places of free-lunch because he did not appear to be a brahmin" appear to be taken out of some petty propaganda material. It is even peurile to suggest that only under discrimination one can think rationally. 5. I don't see the previous posters points 2,3,4. I don't know what is he/she talking about.

This page is clearly getting vandalised several times.It is potentially libellous.note of the allegations have any citation which I have asked for.The wording are not encyclopedic. This is not cult .1:Only 1 name needs to be used either Periyar or EVR not 2 creates confusion to readers particularly foriegners.Periyar is how he is known.Tamil Nadu Government refers to him as Periyar.http://www.tn.gov.in/government.htm.He is refered as Periyar in Tamil Nadu Government. Periyar University is called named after him and there is a river Periyar after him.Also, convention suggests that the most common name be used as far as possible in the text of the article The name Periyar is used by the The Tamil Nadu Government refers to him as Periyar.One can verify it from the Tamil Nadu government Website http://www.tn.gov.in/pressrelease/archives/pr2004/pr170904/pr170904.htm http://www.tn.gov.in and not as EVR.A search with the name Periyar will do it for you. See all actors are known by the film names not there real names for example Jayalalitha 's real name Komalavalli,Vikram's real name is John Kennedy further Joseph Stalin is known so and not as Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili .This is not cult .Also convention suggests that the most common name be used as far as possible in the text of the article.If pages were put by Komalavalli or John Kennedy .No will know them and users will not be able to reach them.Similar is the case with several of them.Now not all of them have changed there names legally. the article is there as it was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periyar_Ramasami before the mass deletion by user 192.223.243.6.further I am not reverting or blanking any of the edits done by others users. (Harlowraman 07:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)).

To Halowman: The Tamil wiki gives the name as E.V.Ramasami. Periyar river is not named after him. 'Periyar' in Tamil simply means 'large river'. His devotees may name anything after his title given by them i.e. Periyar. But to refer to him as periyar outside his cult followers is a travesty of naming conventions. He called himself E.V.Ramasami naicker. About Stalin, Stalin called himself as Stalin throughout his adult life because he was in an illegal party to begin with and that name stuck from the time he was 20. You cannot compare the name Stalin to Periyar. Only from 1960s his followers began to frequently use the name Periyar to boost their own party prospects and respectability. Periyar is a cult name given by his devotees. His biography calls him E.V.Ramaswamy naicker. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 161.12.7.4 (talk) 10:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Kapil Dev

I think we need to check the Kapil Dev page. It says that he played 3099 one day international games in the table on the right. I am pretty sure he did not play that many games. And by table, I mean the second table from the top.Vignesh 06:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

You are right. According to Cricinfo, he played 309 List-A matches (not ODIs). It's probably just a typo. Feel free to fix it. --Shaktimaan 23:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
And while we talking about that page.. The Abdul Qadir reference seems incorrect. This article on Cricinfo mentions Amarnath and Gavaskar shouting 'googles' on Qadir's googly, but no mention of Kapil. I would recommend removing that paragraph unless it can be validated. Is there a formal process for doing this? --Shaktimaan 00:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] what is this lamp called?

Can someone tell what is the name of the lamp shown on the tail of this acft [7], wanted it for the table i made for Air India Express liveries. Also, can anyone identify these paintings [8]? Thanks -- PlaneMad|YakYak 09:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the lamp is called a nilavillakku (not sure what it is called in Hindi) —the Hindu traditional lamp; the lighting of which is considered very auspicious.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 13:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Deepu is correct. Just one correction, it is also called the peacock lamp (mayil villakku) and another version of it called is the parrot lamp(thatta villakku), the one in the pic looks like a peacock lamp. Jisha(Talk) 19:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
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