Talk:Northern Renaissance
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[edit] Influence of Reformation
I don't consider myself knowledgeable enough to edit this article, but it seems a bit odd to say that the Northern Renaissance painters were influenced by the Protestant Reformation when most of those mentioned were old men or even dead when Luther or Calvin were born. Maybe one could say that they were influenced by the sentiments eventually leading to the Protestant Reformation? Junes 09:41, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It's true that the Protestant Reformation came after the bulk of the Renaissance, but most of what I've seen indicates the Northern Renaissance was truely rising after the Italian Renaissance declined from the wars and economic shifts from the Mediterranean to the Atlantic due to the Age of Discovery, this taking place during the late 15th century (the French invasion which really killed the Italian Renaissance was 1494 I believe). Many sources put the end of the Renaissance as a whole at 1550, while the Protestant Reformation was gaining momentum in the early 1500s, and Martin Luther posting his 95 Thesis in 1517. The Renaissance advent of humanism really created dissent within the Catholic and the moving forces of the Protestant Reformation fell while the Renaissance was losing momentum, was still a powerful force. Take Erasmus for instance, his works are typically lumped with the Renaissance, but his most famous work, In Praise of Folly, wasn't written until 1509 and satirized the ignorance and superstition of the Catholic church and he was a mover during the Reformation, but gets little credit because he thought the change should be gradual unlike Luther. It's easy to say this age ends while this begins at this date but it is never the truth, movements over lap. I can't think of a specific artist influenced by the Reformation though (especially considering most reformers were iconoclastic), so his statement may very well be inaccurate.--Antipas 04:19, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Influence of Italy
The opening paragraph is highly subjective. The Renaissance developed throughout Europe allotropically; Northerners didn't depend on the Italians so much as suggested. I changed the first sentence.
Onyourkeaster 01:42, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- First off I have no idea what the word allotropically means, and neither do any of my dictionaries so I don't think it should be used in the encyclopedia. Also I don't think your statement is correct. The links are in many cases quite clear. The French Renaissance began with the direct import of Renaissance art and artists from Italy. In Germany, many of the early leaders of the German Renaissance were those who had traveled to Italy to study, and brought these ideas home. - SimonP 01:56, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
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"I don't think your statement is correct."
Because you don't know what a word means and despite new research negating your opinion, you change the entry back. Nice. At least you phrased your opinion as such instead of as a fact.
[edit] Burgundy/Low Countries
Why are there articles about the renaissance in France, Germany, England and Poland but not about Burgundy and the Low Countries? Culturally this region was at least as important. Does anyone agree or disagree? Shall we create this article or does anything similar exist already? I don't find much about culture in articles such as Duchy of Burgundy, Burgundian Netherlands, Seventeen Provinces, Low Countries etc. There will be more than enough material though. Piet 11:45, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
- I agree that this is are a major gap in our coverage, especially the lack of an article on the Low Countires, which were quite central to the Northern Renaissance. - SimonP 15:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Let's start it then. But I am not sure what the appropriate name would be. In analogy of "French renaissance" etc. I thought "Burgundian renaissance" as the Low Countries in this period were a part of Burgundy. Other possibilities would be "Netherlandish renaissance" (as in Early Netherlandish painting - see discussion on Talk page), or even "Flemish renaissance" as Flanders was central. But I think neither of these three names would mean much to an English-speaking audience. In fact maybe Renaissance in the Low Countries would be best, although it would stand out a bit in the list. Opinions? Piet 16:46, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
- I am starting a Draft. Feel free to work on it. Piet 10:34, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Printing press / vernacular
"The creation of the printing press also encouraged authors to write in the local vernacular rather than in the classical languages of Greek and Latin . . ."
How, exactly, did it encourage this? It's completely unclear what about the printing press made people want to write in the vernacular. Bertieismyho 19:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
