Talk:Northern Catalonia

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Current Rosselló and/or Northern Catalonia should be rewritten. I would stress Rosselló as a comarca and the historical county (they could also be separated). Northern Catalonia in the context of Catalan Countries after Treaty of Pyrenees and especially when this denomination was first born. Toniher 18:13, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

I think that the three current articles (Northern Catalonia, Roussillon and Rosselló (comarca)) are OK. The only problem I see is that their titles are not appropiate. I would rename Roussillon into County of Rosselló and I would rename Rosselló (comarca) into simply Rosselló. I also think that a Rosselló (disambiguation) page is needed. It could be merged with Roussillon (disambiguation) but it has to improve.--SMP - talk page (en) - talk page (ca) 16:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rosselló and Northern Catalonia

IMHO, the only possible synonym for Northern Catalonia is French Catalonia. Rosselló only refers to part of the territory under discussion, and may also refer to a former county and vegueria and present-day comarca. Since Rosselló is the largest territory, some refer to the whole territory as Rosselló, but it is simply incorrect. For instance, Rosselló != Cerdanya. This may be explained and corrected in all the different articles, but I think there is no need of introducing more confusion as would represent merging these two articles.

Taking into account the territory:

Pyrénées-Orientales = Northern Catalonia + Fenolheda = Rosselló + (Half) Cerdanya + ... + Fenolheda.

Toniher 10:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I support Toniher opinion, but I would add:

Pyrénées-Orientales = Northern Catalonia + Fenolheda = Roussillon (county) + County of Cerdanya (only a part of it) = Rosselló (comarca) + Conflent + ... + Alta Cerdanya + Fenolheda.

--SMP - talk page (en) - talk page (ca) 16:24, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

As nobody has supported the opinion of merge the two articles, I will remove the template.--SMP - talk page (en) - talk page (ca) 16:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Map

The map used on this page seems pretty useless, since it provides no geographic context, scale or reference to present borders. It would be helpful to see where this area is with respect to the more generally-recognized French"Hexagone." 216.227.122.37 06:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is this name actually used in English? Isn't this a POV fork of Roussillon?

I've never come across this name in English. Roussillon is generally the term used for the area when it was part of France before the revolution, even if it includes territory not part of the original County of Roussillon. Given that the article Roussillon is on exactly the same subject, isn't this a POV fork? john k 12:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

And note that Roussillon is not incorrect. Cerdagne was certainly part of the French province of Roussillon. Sometimes "Roussillon and Cerdagne" is used, and sometimes just "Roussillon." The fact that the meaning of geographical referents can change and expand does not mean that the newer formulation is wrong. john k 12:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Per the comments above, it seems to be different in my understanding... —Nightstallion (?) 12:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Roussillon has several meanings. One of those meanings is equivalent to "Northern Catalonia". The French province of Roussillon was exactly the same as "Northern Catalonia." Earlier definitions of Roussillon may have been smaller, but this does not seem relevant to me. john k 14:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

If Roussillon has more than one meaning, and Northern Catalonia has only one, then I'd advocate keeping them separate, since Northern Catalonia is apparently the more precise term... No? —Nightstallion (?) 12:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)